VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Garen]

I have been playing again the scene of the last chapter when the MC tells Sage about Chad being gay, and Tremolo´s attitude pisses me off. It doesn´t make any sense.

Tremolo is saying his gorgeous lover and/or friend that the fucking guy that ambushed him to attack him in the middle of the nigh, and the fucking guy that was such an asshole with him when they were room mates, that made him leave his room, are a gay couple... and his concern is the reaction of Sage!!! He doesn´t mind about Sage´s welfare after knowing that her long-time boyfriend actually is a gay that used her as an alibi. He only cares about Chad and Troy´s secret... It doesn´t make any sense at all!!!

What the hell was DPC thinking about when he wrote that scene? Fucking Chad and fucking Troy should be the last of Tremolo´s concerns. This dialogue is plain stupid:

"- Sage: What the fuck are you worried about?
- Tremolo: Like I said before, I´m worried about your reaction. It´s a huge thing I´m about to tell you. If you don´t react well to it, I´m gonna feel like shit for more than a reason."

Seriously, why the fuck would Tremolo care about Chad and Troy way more then about Sage´s welfare? Sage should have punched fucking Tremolo in his face, and not because anger management issues.

"- Sage: You care about those two and their fucking secret more than you care about me???? Your concern is not that I´m going to feel like shit, but that maybe I´m going to get angry and confront fucking Chad in front of his subhuman mates about being gay and using me for more than a year as an alibi in order of not being suspect of liking men instead of women? Go fuck yourself, Tremolo."

Again, I don´t know what was DPC thinking about when he wrote that scene. A character is gay an into the closed, and suddenly that becomes the most important thing for everybody?

I completely understood what DPC was thinking with that scene. In fact the way Tremolo went about it was exactly how I wished he would ever since we found out last update.

 

[ename144]

'nowadays a VN without animation seems obsolete'

I really don't think that's a given standard. I like several games with hardly any animation at all even in the sex scenes. In fact if a dev can't produce high quality animations I would prefer that they don't include them at all.

I agree 100%, I'd much rather faster updates with good static renders than wasting time on bad animations.

But by the same token, I'm usually not a statistically relevant demographic, either. It's possible major AVNs aren't viable without animations these days.

 

[sixart]

And I know that you or others and right now reporting this comment. And that only proves me right.

Paranoid much ? Does not matter really... if this post gets deleted for ANY reason it was definitely someone others fault... right ?!

 

[Garen]

I understand too. It´s called mainstream thinking and political correctness. Mindset of bigots and religious-zealots changes along the times and adopts different forms. But I´m talking about characters having a coherent and logical mindset, not the politically corrected one.

I don't care much for political correctness. What I saw was a very balanced response from Tremolo. He was already for Sage just forgetting about the entire issue and moving on with her life. It was never about revenge or getting even for him.

Also I interpret his words as being caring towards Sage, not Chad/Troy. He preps her before hitting her with the news because it can never be pleasant for a girl to find out her boyfriend was gay and their relationship was always a facade. Additionally unlike 'cheating with a girl' which Sage can expose without issue and care, exposing Chad's sexuality will end up making Sage hate herself later because at heart she is a very kind girl. Tremolo understands that.

If instead of all ^that, Tremolo had asked her to forgive him or something simplistic like that, I would've agreed with you.

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

If DPC wants more mini games, more phone apps, more filler, then I think he will have to transition to another platform. I shudder to say this because I hate it for AVNs, but...Unity

Would also solve his problem with mods because modding Unity is harder than running the game through UnRen and editing the files

 

[DavDR]

I agree 100%, I'd much rather faster updates with good static renders than wasting time on bad animations.

But by the same token, I'm usually not a statistically relevant demographic, either. It's possible major AVNs aren't viable without animations these days.

It would be really interesting to see some polling on the subject. I hope that animations aren't just a conceit that some dev's have adopted.

Seriously 9/10ths of the AVN animation I've seen just isn't worth it. And some games that I've seen do way more erotic work with just stills and dialogue.

 

[dalli_x]

You clearly haven´t read the dialogues. Tremolo doesn´t say to Sage "I´m worried about you". He says to her "I´m worried about your reaction" and "I´m worried about feeling myself like shit". Again:
"- Sage: What the fuck are you worried about?
- Tremolo: Like I said before, I´m worried about your reaction. It´s a huge thing I´m about to tell you. If you don´t react well to it, I´m gonna feel like shit for more than a reason."
"-- Tremolo: It´s clearly a secret they don´t plan to reveal. And that´s why I wasn´t sure if I should tell you or not".

I´m talking about the things that are written in the dialogues, not about interpretations. Why the fuck Tremolo would feel like shit about Chad and Troy´s secret? They are the guys that have harassed him for weeks and, worst of it, they have hurt Sage for months or even years. I don´t even think that Sage should feel bad for exposing Chad´s sexuality. He has been making her miserable, again, for months or even years. Why suddenly Chad and Troy´s secret is so important for the people that they have been harming with that secret and their behavior? My answer is: political correctness.

Tremolo will feel shitty for two reasons if Sage reacts badly to this.

He hurts Sage by telling her that Chad is gay and not even BI. Sage might snap again and go off on Chad or Troy. The MC has been training her. Tremolo would then have some sort of complicity in both of them.

 

[felicemastronzo]

'nowadays a VN without animation seems obsolete'

I really don't think that's a given standard. I like several games with hardly any animation at all even in the sex scenes. In fact if a dev can't produce high quality animations I would prefer that they don't include them at all.

mine was clearly a generalisation, but I was simply talking about the modernity of a product; its quality is a completely independent matter

Good animations, very fluid, even in an ugly game, make me think of a modern, "futuristic" product.

AVNs yes, but there is only so much Ren'py can do. If DPC wants more mini games, more phone apps, more filler, then I think he will have to transition to another platform. I shudder to say this because I hate it for AVNs, but...Unity. Ren'py was specifically designed for the traditional visual novels, not for AAA type games and that is the direction DPC is moving toward.

about minigames, you're preaching to the choir, but even there the will of DPC is clear, it has replaced very amateur games, with more advanced ones

about fillers it's hard to answer, it depends on how you look at it but in reality a lot of AVN is simply filler, which you may or may not like.

I think the relevance is that it could eventually lead to Maya learning about the restaurant (with much ensuing drama)a, but if so I expect it will take most of Season 3 to get there.



More importantly, Becky is friends with Sarah, who DOES know all about the free tuition.

Please don't fall into the amnesia trap...

Maya doesn't need Becky or Sarah: MC knows everything!!!!! they just need to talk to each other.

p.s. Becky doesn't seem particularly bright to me, I don't think Sarah confides in her

 

[Garen]

Why the fuck Tremolo would feel like shit about Chad and Troy´s secret?

I don´t even think that Sage should feel bad for exposing Chad´s sexuality.

We fundamentally disagree on these two points. Exposing a personal detail about someone, especially something that vulnerable just doesn't sit right with me.

That said I don't like how Sage dealt with Chad after. I think she should've totally told him she knew about him being gay and as such, demanded a public apology from him as part of their breakup (sans revealing the real reason).

In addition, another point we disagree on is Chad himself. Despite everything that's happened in 8 episodes, I don't hate Chad. I just think he's a dick that Sage needs to remove from her life pronto.

 

[dalli_x]

Please don't fall into the amnesia trap...

Maya doesn't need Becky or Sarah: MC knows everything!!!!! they just need to talk to each other.

p.s. Becky doesn't seem particularly bright to me, I don't think Sarah confides in her

Becky is stupid. We learned that from Derek.

 

[ename144]

You clearly haven´t read the dialogues. Tremolo doesn´t say to Sage "I´m worried about you". He says to her "I´m worried about your reaction" and "I´m worried about feeling myself like shit". Again:
"- Sage: What the fuck are you worried about?
- Tremolo: Like I said before, I´m worried about your reaction. It´s a huge thing I´m about to tell you. If you don´t react well to it, I´m gonna feel like shit for more than a reason."
"-- Tremolo: It´s clearly a secret they don´t plan to reveal. And that´s why I wasn´t sure if I should tell you or not".

I´m talking about the things that are written in the dialogues, not about interpretations. Why the fuck Tremolo would feel like shit about Chad and Troy´s secret? They are the guys that have harassed him for weeks and, worst of it, they have hurt Sage for months or even years. I don´t even think that Sage should feel bad for exposing Chad´s sexuality. He has been making her miserable, again, for months or even years. Why suddenly Chad and Troy´s secret is so important for the people that they have been harming with that secret and their behavior? My answer is: political correctness.

It seems to have escaped your notice, but Sage clearly cares about Chad for whatever reason. If Sage did out Chad in a moment of rage - especially accidentally - it's very likely she'd feel really bad about that later on once she cooled off. It doesn't matter that she logically shouldn't, or that you disagree with her feelings, it's just how human beings work. That's why the MC is worried about Sage's reaction, IMHO, even if he cares far more about Sage than Chad.

mine was clearly a generalisation, but I was simply talking about the modernity of a product; its quality is a completely independent matter

Good animations, very fluid, even in an ugly game, make me think of a modern, "futuristic" product.


about minigames, you're preaching to the choir, but even there the will of DPC is clear, it has replaced very amateur games, with more advanced ones

about fillers it's hard to answer, it depends on how you look at it but in reality a lot of AVN is simply filler, which you may or may not like.


Please don't fall into the amnesia trap...

Maya doesn't need Becky or Sarah: MC knows everything!!!!! they just need to talk to each other.

p.s. Becky doesn't seem particularly bright to me, I don't think Sarah confides in her

The MC only knows everything if he signed up for the restaurant, and even then it's not clear he knows the full scale of the deal.

If he refused, he seems to know Camila is charging for sex at Quinn's order, but he doesn't know she's getting her entire tuition paid. Becky might know those crucial details, though I'd be surprised if she knows about Burke.

 

[felicemastronzo]

We fundamentally disagree on these two points. Exposing a personal detail about someone, especially something that vulnerable just doesn't sit right with me.

That said I don't like how Sage dealt with Chad after. I think she should've totally told him she knew about him being gay and as such, demanded a public apology from him as part of their breakup (sans revealing the real reason).

In addition, another point we disagree on is Chad himself. Despite everything that's happened in 8 episodes, I don't hate Chad. I just think he's a dick that Sage needs to remove from her life pronto.

Curious how in the same chapter there are two instances of people revealing the sexuality of a third person, there's MC being able to reveal to Sage about Chad, and there's Maya telling Josy about how she told Sage about their relationship (Josy doesn't really react very well).

in both cases there is "a greater good" that allows this violence to be justified (at least for me it's a violence)

The MC only knows everything if he signed up for the restaurant, and even then it's not clear he knows the full scale of the deal.

If he refused, he seems to know Camila is charging for sex at Quinn's order, but he doesn't know she's getting her entire tuition paid. Becky might know those crucial details, though I'd be surprised if she knows about Burke.

even if he's not a client, he knows that Quinn offers this service, I'd say he knows a lot more than Becky (who, as dalli_x reminds us, is stupid even in Derek's eyes) should know from Sarah, who, unlike Becky, seems a lot smarter than any Mona.

 

[AchedCroissant]

he knows that Quinn offers this service

Quinn offered him the service but Quinn never told him what it was about, the MC at this point does not know anything if you do not believe me trie to see it for you, this point I think I will make it clear in a past post

No really the MC don't know anything

When you give Camila a drink on EP 7

She invites you to her room
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Then she tells you this View attachment 1558999
The MC replied that why would he tell her? (Quinn)

And she just answered like this View attachment 1559001
Then Riona enters the room and of course if you want to have a threesome with her Riona talks to Camila in a low voice and says this to Camila View attachment 1559003 View attachment 1559004 View attachment 1559005 View attachment 1559007 View attachment 1559008
With Riona the dialogue does not change, it is the same only that neither of them charge the MC for fucking, they both do it for "free" they only want to fuck with him
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Melanie and Sarah if it is necessary to accept Quinn's offer but with Riona and Camila it is not

I feel like the two of them are the most likely to leave Quinn.

Because if the MC knew he wouldn't have asked Camila "why was he going to tell Quinn?"

He would simply tell her "I won't say anything to Quinn"

 

[felicemastronzo]

Quinn offered him the service but Quinn never told him what it was about, the MC at this point does not know anything if you do not believe me trie to see it for you, this point I think I will make it clear in a past post

Because if the MC knew he wouldn't have asked Camila "why was he going to tell Quinn?"

He would simply tell her "I won't say anything to Quinn"

and what would MC think Quinn would offer him? real food?

Quinn is very clear when she offers him the phone number, MC may not know who is working there, but not what it is.

but he forgets about it afterwards, like most people in BADIK forget about Quinn (Maya and Tommy apart)

 

[AchedCroissant]

and what would MC think Quinn would offer him? real food?

Quinn is very clear when she offers him the phone number, MC may not know who is working there, but not what it is.

but he forgets about it afterwards, like most people in BADIK forget about Quinn (Maya and Tommy apart)

It's the MC not Sherlock Holmes

 

[felicemastronzo]

It's the MC not Sherlock Holmes

After all, Neil also clearly has a neurodegenerative disease that prevents him from remembering anything useful about Lynette.

It is evidently a genetic disorder

 

[hakuna-matata]

It´s supposed that people should feel some kind of sympathy for Chad because he´s gay? It´s like writing a game about Red Ridding Hood and thinking that people is going to feel sympathy for the wolf that eats the granny because animalism is trendy...

Even giving the option of not saying Sage about Chad is stupid. Who would not tell her? Really, who cares about Chad and Troy´s secret?

"-- Tremolo: It´s clearly a secret they don´t plan to reveal. And that´s why I wasn´t sure if I should tell you or not".

Fucking Chad has been making Sage´s life miserable for months or even years. Who fucking care about his secret?!

I find it hard to sympathize with a user, liar and someone who does a cuntish thing by attacking someone from behind.

 

[Mikey Mike]

Is there a path to bang both Cathy and Bella or do you only get to choose one? Thanks.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Good point about the Maya Sage conversation.

I had the feeling during Sage and Chad's conversation in EP8 that Sage was intentionally withholding her knowledge of Chad and Troy.

Of course. Through Maya, she learns that Josy and Maya are in a relationship. Maya's father Patrick found out, which is how Maya's problem came about.

Wow. She has her emotions under control and keeps Chad and Troy's secret to herself. Hopefully it won't fall on the MC's feet that he told Josy about it.

it's fan fiction, but we could also think that Sage just because she has just known a situation similar to Chad and Troy's is more well disposed not to divulge the news, that out of anger she could have done

It is also interesting how Josy is consistent in her position: she advises MC not to get involved in the Chad issue and she is not happy that Maya has revealed her secret (she talks to MC about how they wanted to hide it when he confesses his discovery about Chad).

 

[ename144]

That´s not how human beings work. That´s the problem.

So Sage has been fighting with Chad in public for months, talking shit (with reason) about him with a stranger (Tremolo) at the first opportunity and calling him "my asshole boyfriend" (or something like that, spying on him with binoculars, manipulating others to spy on him, cheating on him with Tremolo, even in public (DIK´s party)... but she actually cares about him. It doesn´t has any sense. It´s the problem with Sage´s character: she has a personality the first chapters, and another different one since chapter 7.

Look Tremolo doesn´t say to him "I´s worried about you and that´s why I say to you that the sensible thing is to forget and forgive". She says to her that he´s worried that she will expose Chad´s secret and he will feel like shit for that. He puts Chad and Troy, two guys that he should despise, over Sage, his lover and /or friend. It doesn´t makes sense at all. And you can look for justifications and interpretations. But truth is, nothing of that is in the script.

You'll note that Sage, despite her complaints, at no point dumps Chad herself. She flatly refuses to consider it if the MC proposes anything like that, and will literally erupt into violence when Chad does finally break up with her. Even after she cools down a bit, Sage remains obsessed with finding out who the other girl was.

Sage's feelings for Chad are more complex than you are acknowledging. That's not an interpretation, that's literally the script of the game. You can disagree with her continuing to care about Chad as much as you want, but she clearly does.