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- Nov 10, 2020
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I feel like part of why all the girls want MC is because he's fresh meat to fuck and having meat his size helps. Mc doesn't have much competition with the girls because most of the guys are pretty lame to me any way but Rusty, Derek, John boy, Jacob there cool. When it comes out about MC relationship with Josy and Maya for those on there path the man the myth the legend that is MC will only get bigger and the new diks challenge will be to turn a lesbian
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I imagine that many people primarily care about what they see on screen yes, and ignore text. Just think about how touchy things are in tv and movies compared to books. Things can be described and told in text that couldnt and never would be allowed to be on screen. Also think of all the people that ask whats happening all the time because they actually dont comprehend whats being said on screen because they dont really pay attention.Sarah, Mel, Camila and Riona are literally prostitutes. Doesn't that embarrass you/patrons? If it wasn't shown graphically, then it didn't happen?
Did someone revolt? I don't think so, it's so stupid.
Are you familiar with DPC`s previous work? Short answer: Liam/Rena.
Personally I care who people fall in love with or fuck in the story as long as it makes sense or is in character. Zoey is a great character to me and and i like her over a couple LIs and most of the sidegirls, i think she definitely should have hooked up with someone while away and have stated so in posts here in the past. That emotional awakening she had about the Fuckface seemed only 90% there but still it was still genuine and compelling enough with that amount of the backstory we got to read and see i can look past this. In my headcannon she fucked someone and got a deeper perspective, we just wasnt shown it or told it, just like how Mel, Sarah, Rio etc is fucking people without us being really told nor shown. They are only prostitutes in name atm, just a throwaway line like "paying for themselves now" and the rest asking for money from Fuckface and we can infer whats happening. Side note: The girl getting double railed at the dorm party is a fresh reminder of what we might get to see soon. Unless that made enough patrons unsettled as they couldnt tell themselves some convenient lie and DPC shies away from it, im 100% sure he tested the waters a bit with that quick scene. I welcome this development. The Vixens will be interesting if it was one of them.
Decent writing there. More of that please. Drama woo! Let the fragile egos face the burn of reality.
Then again, fragile egos have deep pockets and their vanilla fantasy can be enjoyed by everyone while the reverse is not the case.
The only thing ive learned is that there is only on truly universal part of NTR. Its that you are supposed to have an emotional attachment of the characters and that there is a betrayal. That the story sets up a person you are supposed to either empathize with or self insert as and that character getting betrayed by a love interest or emotionally important character. It common that there is a couple but there need to be no actual couple involvement at all as I recall of the examples I saw.
I only know of NTR from the outside (personally to me its cheating or pointless setup) first theres just about no universally accepted definition since fetishes are about as different as the amount of people there are and this one is based on feelings, if you dont feel it there is no NTR. The shouting matches ive seen in irc channels and forums over which stories are NTR or not and which artists actually does NTR or just standard cheating were pretty bad, its fascinating reading though if people do it well.
Because NTR is not only about couples, since there is parental incestuous NTR too. I dont care to remember all the different examples but one prominent one was mother/son incest NTR where you are supposed to feel with the son whose mother is being ravaged by the bully/teacher/coach/whatever and betrays the attachment and chooses the dick over parental duties) or the standard loving and hardworking wife/husband (or gf/bf) couple cuck NTR where a boss, coworker or close friend fucks the girl and she loves it etc. This is either the hottest thing ever or absolutely horrible.
Or doesnt really make sense to the average person hence why NTR is so hotly debated and have split reactions to.
The types of examples were staggering as I recall. A third NTR example i remembered a the end of typing this shit up: Classmates, male person dreams of the prettiest girl in class and its all daydreaming while never approaching as he is working up the currage to ask her out. All the while the girl likes him back but is too shy to act on it, while getting her brains fucked out by another male classmate/bully/teacher whatever due to awakened horniness and fear of being thought a slut or something else dumb. Typical Japan.
Anyway. So many people say they are the only one who can spot NTR (because only specific kinds or scenarios are hot to them) but if you really try to break it down into something universal and differentiate it from standard cheating and cuckhold the only thing left is the intended attachment and emotional betrayal.
I wish I could recall more about the threads I read where people were trying to pin NTR down, so many hentai arists names were thrown around and different works and used to "prove" that their own interpretation was the only correct one. Hell not even the non consensual aspect of NTR thats part of almost all works could be kept (the women usually dont want the sex at first but succumbs to the pleasure and wants it after and this supposedly makes the NTR better because its a "worse" betrayal somehow). Again for heavy emphasis Typical fucking Japan and their purity bullshit.
To circle back, I imagine that loads of patrons think of themselves as Fuckface (a type of emotional attachment) and most of the women in the story show interest in Fuckface(the player) so the Fuckface(the player) engage and they reciprocate. Any sexual act of the women in the story after that happens with another male therefor becomes an act of betrayal (mc/player loves or likes girl -> girl does so back yet still fucks another person and you have emotional betrayal). Pretty standard I should think, the instory setups or couples/not couples etc dont matter an iota.
To me this is borderline insanity yet at the same time its not. It have taken me a long time to understand that to many people there is actually a difference and a meaning to this NTR fetish. I have never thought of myself as the character or experienced this attachment needed in story or text. To me its mostly all just standard cheating or convoluted story setup that doesn't matter.
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Knock off the NTR observations. Your post is likely to be deleted, and you will lose the other points you are making. It only takes one person to object. Since your observations were lengthy, SOMEBODY won't like it.The only thing ive learned is that there is only on truly universal part of NTR. Its that you are supposed to have an emotional attachment of the characters and that there is a betrayal. That the story sets up a person you are supposed to either empathize with or self insert as and that character getting betrayed by a love interest or emotionally important character. It common that there is a couple but there need to be no actual couple involvement at all as I recall of the examples I saw.
I only know of NTR from the outside (personally to me its cheating or pointless setup) first theres just about no universally accepted definition since fetishes are about as different as the amount of people there are and this one is based on feelings, if you dont feel it there is no NTR. The shouting matches ive seen in irc channels and forums over which stories are NTR or not and which artists actually does NTR or just standard cheating were pretty bad, its fascinating reading though if people do it well.
Because NTR is not only about couples, since there is parental incestuous NTR too. I dont care to remember all the different examples but one prominent one was mother/son incest NTR where you are supposed to feel with the son whose mother is being ravaged by the bully/teacher/coach/whatever and betrays the attachment and chooses the dick over parental duties) or the standard loving and hardworking wife/husband (or gf/bf) couple cuck NTR where a boss, coworker or close friend fucks the girl and she loves it etc. This is either the hottest thing ever or absolutely horrible.
Or doesnt really make sense to the average person hence why NTR is so hotly debated and have split reactions to.
The types of examples were staggering as I recall. A third NTR example i remembered a the end of typing this shit up: Classmates, male person dreams of the prettiest girl in class and its all daydreaming while never approaching as he is working up the currage to ask her out. All the while the girl likes him back but is too shy to act on it, while getting her brains fucked out by another male classmate/bully/teacher whatever due to awakened horniness and fear of being thought a slut or something else dumb. Typical Japan.
Anyway. So many people say they are the only one who can spot NTR (because only specific kinds or scenarios are hot to them) but if you really try to break it down into something universal and differentiate it from standard cheating and cuckhold the only thing left is the intended attachment and emotional betrayal.
I wish I could recall more about the threads I read where people were trying to pin NTR down, so many hentai arists names were thrown around and different works and used to "prove" that their own interpretation was the only correct one. Hell not even the non consensual aspect of NTR thats part of almost all works could be kept (the women usually dont want the sex at first but succumbs to the pleasure and wants it after and this supposedly makes the NTR better because its a "worse" betrayal somehow). Again for heavy emphasis Typical fucking Japan and their purity bullshit.
To circle back, I imagine that loads of patrons think of themselves as Fuckface (a type of emotional attachment) and most of the women in the story show interest in Fuckface(the player) so the Fuckface(the player) engage and they reciprocate. Any sexual act of the women in the story after that happens with another male therefor becomes an act of betrayal (mc/player loves or likes girl -> girl does so back yet still fucks another person and you have emotional betrayal). Pretty standard I should think, the instory setups or couples/not couples etc dont matter an iota.
To me this is borderline insanity yet at the same time its not. It have taken me a long time to understand that to many people there is actually a difference and a meaning to this NTR fetish. I have never thought of myself as the character or experienced this attachment needed in story or text. To me its mostly all just standard cheating or convoluted story setup that doesn't matter.
I imagine that many people primarily care about what they see on screen yes, and ignore text. Just think about how touchy things are in tv and movies compared to books. Things can be described and told in text that couldnt and never would be allowed to be on screen. Also think of all the people that ask whats happening all the time because they actually dont comprehend whats being said on screen because they dont really pay attention.
Personally I care who people fall in love with or fuck in the story as long as it makes sense or is in character. Zoey is a great character to me and and i like her over a couple LIs and most of the sidegirls, i think she definitely should have hooked up with someone while away and have stated so in posts here in the past. That emotional awakening she had about the Fuckface seemed only 90% there but still it was still genuine and compelling enough with that amount of the backstory we got to read and see i can look past this. In my headcannon she fucked someone and got a deeper perspective, we just wasnt shown it or told it, just like how Mel, Sarah, Rio etc is fucking people without us being really told nor shown. They are only prostitutes in name atm, just a throwaway line like "paying for themselves now" and the rest asking for money from Fuckface and we can infer whats happening. Side note: The girl getting double railed at the dorm party is a fresh reminder of what we might get to see soon. Unless that made enough patrons unsettled as they couldnt tell themselves some convenient lie and DPC shies away from it, im 100% sure he tested the waters a bit with that quick scene. I welcome this development. The Vixens will be interesting if it was one of them.
Decent writing there. More of that please. Drama woo! Let the fragile egos face the burn of reality.
Then again, fragile egos have deep pockets and their vanilla fantasy can be enjoyed by everyone while the reverse is not the case.
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Exactly, Nobody cares !! So it's a Goddamn Fucking WASTE of TIME.
It's like the second sex scene in the Interlude. Waste of Time. Because it has nothing to do with Zoey, and She was the main character.
Folks Saying DnG is waste of time, it is filler, but waste of time would be, if you as the player, MC is not part of it.
All of you guys NTR defence always based around : people just too sensitive, - its fall apart.
No, the reason for it , Because it's Waste of time. No Need to See Sage or Jill, and Joys or Bella, getting fucked by somebody else, because it is waste of development time. Expecially if MC not care about them , Becasue Why and How he would be know about this. ?!
or You suggesting , that He hide outside of the girls window and peek them getting fucked?
Why would He do that. Why would be that a storyline in the game? Do You really consider this game on this level of Garbage?You want DPC to waste the development time to create, Renders and Animation, for one of the love interest who you not end up with, showing her life, that see she is fine she get her morning bukkake, becasue of Realism ?
and others are the snowflake because they don't want this?
. DPC doesn't show us, Lily or Envy, Rio, mel, sara , etc, serving someone in the VIP room not because of Snowflakes , But because it's a Waste of Time, and Everyone Will Rightfully bitching about.
He does not even show Josy and Maya sex scene, if you not part of their relationship. Because otherwise, it's not MC's business , it's not the player's business. You dont need to know about it. Once MC decided to choose stay with a girl, the other Girls Personal Life is no longer his concern.
If one of them is Cheating on the MC , thats a difference. But you not gonna see the actual cheating storyline, you going to caught the cheating. Like getting a letter of a photo, or you walk in the room. But that is a whole diferent Scenario.
Peace
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Fuck off, don't degrade it.so cool!!!!!
what game are you talking about? can't wait to try it!!!
- Nov 10, 2020
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You mean like Jill does when MC fucks Bella on the dining room tableHe hide outside of the girls window and peek them getting fucked?
but i do agree
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Yes, Good Example. Or when Dawe get the letters. or when MC see "Carolyn". or if MC walking in in the pink Rose, and saw Envy, serving 2 client.You mean like Jill does when MC fucks Bella on the dining room table
But if MC is not a witness, or the scene is not about him then seeing these girls personal relationship, is not realism , it's a waste of development time. and not confuse this with regular basic storylines. What we will be part of eventually. or with Characters background story.
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if you're talking about animations, time-consuming in development, where they have sex, I also agree. but how can their personal relationships be unnecessary and a waste of time? whether MC is present or not is secondary, we are the ones being told the story, not him.
seeing John Boy and Elena in bed together, always all over each other is not a waste of time, it serves to characterize them.
seeing Maya and Josy's flashback was not a waste of time, it served to characterize them and show instead of tell.
on the contrary, Bella's flashback is so aseptic that the only way to digest it is to invent theories (the sixth sense) that anyway do not seem so absurd in order to explain what we were shown
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But it is MC's story, what are told to us. Not his love interest stories, or his friends stories, we see time to time bonus information, but its not their story, its MC story. we just get more information time to time about the world he living in, about the characters he interact, But it is His Story. Not Sage , not Jill , not Rusty, Not Bella, or Josy etc. It's MC.
But you don't see Elena and JB , outside of MC perspective.
Josy Maya, or the Bella and her hubby also flashbacks. Different meaning. Whole different thing, and You know it too, I know you do.
let's Say: Sage as she said that she won't wait for MC, and found a new guy or girl, or a transgender deer whatever.
When MC is not around, Why would we need to see her personal life with that person?
Lets say: Dik and Hots are go to a Spring Break, they chose to go to a lake , and they all stay in wood house.
at the fireplace we all hang out together, Mc and Jill, Sage and her new hubby. We having conversations, we got a scene,etc Then Sage and her new Boy toy, stand up and walk inside the house. - Thats where its end for Sage
and We stay With MC. We not gonna follow Sage and her boy toy to see them fucking, why would we need that?. When We as the Player, MC and his girl stayed there, may be we walk away to, find a quite place to have sex. Why should the perspective and the Story should be stay on Sage in an way? Why would we care about what Sage doing and waste the render and the animation on her, When we have our own storyline.
or the upcoming Halloween. We walk around, we saw Sage having a good chat with a guy, MC may make a remark, that he is so happy that she found someone. He may walk toward them, have a conversation, and then We move forward to do our own business.
Rusty, Fucked that girl Micah or whatever her name is, did we see it ? After we had the conversation with them, did we stayed on them and heard their conversation, or even see them leaving or anything? No.
Why would this have to be different with any other girl we not choose?
Please tell me you actually get what I'm pointing out?. You know I'm right, right?.
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STOP DOING THAT, I EAT IN FRONT OF MY COMPUTER FROM TIME TO TIME
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That scene is an alternate... normally it does not happen bad goes to worse and on and on like a halcyon...
Normally means here the intended outcome... Zoey is a DIK smashed with Emma burned all bridges etc...
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The alternate would have been if Zoey is having a Threesome there. Now that would Be RelevantThat scene is an alternate... normally it does not happen bad goes to worse and on and on like a halcyon...
Normally means here the intended outcome... Zoey is a DIK smashed with Emma burned all bridges etc...
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seeing ugly tattooed chick with metrosexual having sex, was not relevant. That's at least a week that could have been spend on episode 9 instead.
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it seems to me that you are lumping everything together in a not-so-clear way.But you don't see Elena and JB , outside of MC perspective.
Josy Maya, or the Bella and her hubby also flashbacks. Different meaning. Whole different thing, and You know it too, I know you do.
let's Say: Sage as she said that she won't wait for MC, and found a new guy or girl, or a transgender deer whatever.
When MC is not around, Why would we need to see her personal life with that person?
Lets say: Dik and Hots are go to a Spring Break, they chose to go to a lake , and they all stay in wood house.
at the fireplace we all hang out together, Mc and Jill, Sage and her new hubby. We having conversations, we got a scene,etc Then Sage and her new Boy toy, stand up and walk inside the house. - Thats where its end for Sage
and We stay With MC. We not gonna follow Sage and her boy toy to see them fucking, why would we need that?. When We as the Player, MC and his girl stayed there, may be we walk away to, find a quite place to have sex. Why should the perspective and the Story should be stay on Sage in an way? Why would we care about what Sage doing and waste the render and the animation on her, When we have our own storyline.
or the upcoming Halloween. We walk around, we saw Sage having a good chat with a guy, MC may make a remark, that he is so happy that she found someone. He may walk toward them, have a conversation, and then We move forward to do our own business.
Rusty, Fucked that girl Micah or whatever her name is, did we see it ? After we had the conversation with them, did we stayed on them and heard their conversation, or even see them leaving or anything? No.
Why would this have to be different with any other girl we not choose?
Please tell me you actually get what I'm pointing out?. You know I'm right, right?.
my point is: the personal relationships of the LIs, but in general of all characters, are part of the story, they are never superfluous. not the sex, the relationships (but being a porn game it would fit the former)
so I don't understand why flashbacks should be an exception.. if Riona had sex with a client in a flashback or in "live-action" what difference does it make? what difference does it make if we find out that Quinn and Vinnie were together in a flashback by seeing it, or in the game with someone telling us about it?
you yourself gave the example of the interlude, which is a flashback, as an unnecessary sex scene (and you're right, but since Zoey had already had sex with MC, DPC had to necessarily use another female character, the least attractive one possible to prevent anyone from falling in love with her. and an unnecessary scene because who gives a damn about Emma?)
if Bella's husband returned in the ninth chapter, with MC present or not, would you expect him to kiss her? after that flashback I would say I would rule it out
then you make this assumption that once an LIs has been dumped, she goes out of MC's life, which is false in such an obvious way that I really don't know what you mean. they continue to hang out all the time, as soon as they break up they make it clear that they will still remain friends forever.
for me this terror that DPC has of the whining of his patreons, which I can also understand, damages a lot the realism of what he tells. but most of all it damages the characters in his tale
the most glaring example is Sage, who in theory is supposed to be the belle of the school, thinks she is, but acts like a beggar for affection, gets rejected by MC three times (no fuckbuddy, no sex on Tybalt's bed on automatic, and no second chances at HOTs parties) after living months if not years with a guy who wouldn't touch her even with a stick
if, on the other hand, you're with her and dump her at the last minute she'd want you to know that in case something changes to let her know--because she might be available.
so the point is not that they don't show us, because it's a waste of time, but that there is nothing to show us because they are all waiting for their second chance (Sage had it, the others will have it too)
the only ones who can afford to show interest in the LIs, witho complete buffoons who wouldn't stand a chance even if they were the last men on earth ( the most anonymous of the JOCKs, who seems to be twice as old as the other students, hits on Josy...)
you added this after I answered you
the consequences of MC's choices are part of MC's story, in the same way the premises of the situations in which Mc finds himself are also part of MC's story
let's say MC's behavior might have consequences for whether or not Maya gets the scholarship would this be part of Mc's story or not?
If playing too much with Bella brought serious consequences for her would this be part of Mc's story or not?
if it's sentimental consequences though: heaven forbid!!! it's a waste of time!!! i don't think
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But it is MC's story, what are told to us. Not his love interest stories, or his friends stories, we see time to time bonus information, but its not their story, its MC story. we just get more information time to time about the world he living in, about the characters he interact, But it is His Story. Not Sage , not Jill , not Rusty, Not Bella, or Josy etc. It's MC.
But you don't see Elena and JB , outside of MC perspective.
Josy Maya, or the Bella and her hubby also flashbacks. Different meaning. Whole different thing, and You know it too, I know you do.
let's Say: Sage as she said that she won't wait for MC, and found a new guy or girl, or a transgender deer whatever.
When MC is not around, Why would we need to see her personal life with that person?
Lets say: Dik and Hots are go to a Spring Break, they chose to go to a lake , and they all stay in wood house.
at the fireplace we all hang out together, Mc and Jill, Sage and her new hubby. We having conversations, we got a scene,etc Then Sage and her new Boy toy, stand up and walk inside the house. - Thats where its end for Sage
and We stay With MC. We not gonna follow Sage and her boy toy to see them fucking, why would we need that?. When We as the Player, MC and his girl stayed there, may be we walk away to, find a quite place to have sex. Why should the perspective and the Story should be stay on Sage in an way? Why would we care about what Sage doing and waste the render and the animation on her, When we have our own storyline.
or the upcoming Halloween. We walk around, we saw Sage having a good chat with a guy, MC may make a remark, that he is so happy that she found someone. He may walk toward them, have a conversation, and then We move forward to do our own business.
Rusty, Fucked that girl Micah or whatever her name is, did we see it ? After we had the conversation with them, did we stayed on them and heard their conversation, or even see them leaving or anything? No.
Why would this have to be different with any other girl we not choose?
Please tell me you actually get what I'm pointing out?. You know I'm right, right?.
Then why are you seeing what Quinn, Rionna and Tybalt are doing? Its clear that its not a POV story, I don't even know why you try to use that as an argument. While being mostly focused on the MC we often see things MC does not, we see other characters inner monologue and flashbacks that enrich the game world beyond Fuckface's scope, which often begins and ends around the tip of his penis.
And no, its different for the argued instances like Zoey's and Bella's cases, because it makes the story unnatural, less realistic, even beyond the expected suspension of disbelief you normally apply to Adult VN. You can say that you don't care, or that it does not change anything for you personally, but what you cannot do is argue that the story is not weaker when you dance around anything of that nature, multiple times during the game, because of fear of backlash (the only logical reason).
Btw, I hope you are just exaggerating for humor, if not, you are arguing in bad faith. No one was defending the NTR nutcases, its clear that they play those types of games because of the fetishes of cuckoldry and swinging and what not, so they are by default excluded from conversations about the quality of writing.
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Cursed Jill looks like an animatronic of Five Nights at Freddies