Sage's character is actually revealed in the seventh episode when she agrees to try and help Maya and sticks up for her because she is one of them. Perhaps Maya reminded her of herself in her early years. No wonder the seventh episode is called "True Colors". People, stop frustrating over a fake occasion. If you want a girl to be completely DIK then you have Quinn for that.
I must say, at first I had my doubts about Sage because of this party persona, although red-haired, green-eyed beauties are my weakness. Plus I kinda liked Maya, so I'm ghosting Sage a little bit. After she asked me to teach her on the guitar I started to realize that I underestimated her. But after the love triangle drama, caring for a sick Sage, and other demonstrations of her sweet side in other episodes, I definitely decided to switch to her path. And after she sheltered Tremolo and took care of his comfort the whole time I finally realized, "Damn, why the hell am I wasting my time with these hoes when the prom queen was always waiting by my side." So, yeah, I instantly fell in love with her and I completely lost interest in the other main routes, especially the Goblin Queen.
First off, great comparison, although being the number cruncher you are, I can't believe you didn't back-calculate the number of Leap of Faith animations based on previous average animation length and estimated frame rate.
Tell him, Lost:
Second, my question was actually about the number of scenes. As I mentioned, I've seen a lot of comparisons regarding the number of animations and renders and the amount of gameplay time between BaDIK and other games. What I haven't seen is a comparison of the number of scenes.
On a similar note to what you said about there being no clear rules for what constitutes an "animation" (even though you mistakenly attributed it to me), it can also be said about what constitutes a "scene." I suppose it would help to define "scene" before I ask such a question.
If I were so bold as to set some basic ground rules, I would say a move from one distinct location to another is the primary definition of a scene change as it applies to AVNs, just as it does to film. For the purpose of this question, I'll mostly disregard (with certain exceptions) other types of film scene changes, such as during a group scene when some characters leave and others stay and a different dialogue begins, or when the focus changes from one group to another within the same location.
With this in mind, I'll give a rough total number of scenes in BaDIK Episode 8 with which to compare to other games. Remember, I'm mainly (but not solely) going by a change in location. Moving from one room to an adjacent room counts as a change in location.
Episode 8 Scenes by Category in no particular order:
I'm sure you've either spotted some scenes that you don't think are actual "scenes," or you think some were unjustifiably overlooked. Yes, I know I left out things such as phone conversations during free roams, the beach ball mini-game, and the MC trying to figure out how to use DPC's Official BaDIK Mod for future episodes....uhhh....I mean that black box on his desk. (A fella can dream, right?)
No matter how you want to tweak the list, I think the point is made that there is a crazy amount of individual scenes built into a single episode.
NOW, can anyone tell me how the number of scenes in Episode 8 compares to the number of scenes in an update of any other comparable games/AVNs?
I consider myself more of an analyst than a research scientist. AFAIK, the numbers you're looking for just don't exist anywhere and I have a rather busy week so I can't just go get them myself. Still, it's an interesting question so maybe if I have time this weekend I'll see if I can gather some data. I'll try to use your definition of scene, but we need to address some edge cases first.
if a game presents the same basic scene on different paths but swaps out some of the cast, does it count as the same scene or a different scene? What if the scenes have minor variations? What if they are completely different, but are mutually exclusive and occupy the same 'spot' in the narrative? Where do we draw the line?
Actually, I thought that scene was pretty good. Obviously not as good as when your MC avoided sex with Lily or anyone else before Sage and you got the full scene.
But the fact that Sage only rated that full scene as a 3/5 shows that Sage has pretty damn high standards, and kinda indicates she has had some previous experiences in such matters. I wonder what ratings she gave Chad?
I got bait-&-switched. Honeypotted by a foxy ginger. Everything in early game led me to believe she was our only DIK side main LI. From DIK only choices to her party girl ways and even her early carefree attitude regarding the pledges especially Maya (sees Maya in turmoil but basically tells her idgaf, deal with it). Come to find out, she is now just as Chick as any of the main girls.
I was still getting that firepussy on the regular through season1 and early season2, so if there were any signs of Saint Sage the good-hearted, I was blinded by some screamin' demon ginger box. Ep 6 i was still on board. A little miffed that Sage was out of commission, but I knew good times would return after she recoverd. How wrong I was.
I'm gambling everything on ep. 9. I'm putting season 2 out of my head and placing all of my trust in season 3. I might get let down again, but I'm at least willing to give it the B&R college try.
I thought it was clear Sage was more than just a DIK-centric party girl after Episode 2, but I agree she's overplayed the responsible woman aspect more recently.
I still say the real problem is that atrocious "Rebound Guy" scene. It unilaterally slammed the brakes on the romance over an issue that had never been even hinted at previously. To make matters worse, the game promptly reversed course and hit the jets afterwards so Sage could get her lewd scene in Episode 7, then had the MC propose a threesome with Quinn in Episode 8 right before he (potentially) hit the brakes again by ending the relationship so as not to be unfair to Sage. That's not a character arc, that's a pinball machine. How we're supposed to get through it without a neck brace I'll never understand.
Episodes are coming out at roughly just around 2 per year (give or take a few months), and there's potentially another 8 more episodes (the game is said to be half way through). So 4 more years to go!
That said, there is probably close to 40 hours of the story ready to go right now, and that's without replaying it at all (and it's definitely highly replayable).
I'm really torn on this one now. Do you forget about it for four more years and play it in one go, thoroughly enjoy it and then it's all over, or do you start now and spend the next 4 years pining for each episode release, theorising with the rest of the maniacs here, and basically ratchetting this game experience up to screaming pitch?
I'm gonna say, download it now and play it (remember to download Season 1&2 first, then the interlude). Then join us for the ride for the next 4 years. But it's your risk to take.
I didn't discover games like Depraved Awakening, Lust Epidemic, Dreams of Desire, and Man of the House until well after they were completed; and I remember how satisfying of an experience it was to be able to play them from start to finish.
And I also remember making the mistake of starting City of Broken Dreamers early in it's development, and instantly regretting it. The game is so good that I absolutely HATE having to wait on the next update. LOL! I stopped playing it 2 years ago, because I'd rather wait for the finished product.
I'm pretty certain that if I start Being a DIK, I'm going to have the same highs (playing a great game), and the same lows (having to wait for the next update). LOL! But 4 years in a long time to wait for its completion!
I guess my issue with this game was when I tried to continue on the next section I found all my saves were rejected so I would have had to start from scratch. Not even sure where I got to in the story....I think I was playing 8.1 or maybe 8.2, but now I'm confused as the heading in here says 'Interlude' is that something else to play or is it just saying the game development is suspended for now?
I didn't discover games like Depraved Awakening, Lust Epidemic, Dreams of Desire, and Man of the House until well after they were completed; and I remember how satisfying of an experience it was to be able to play them from start to finish.
And I also remember making the mistake of starting City of Broken Dreamers early in it's development, and instantly regretting it. The game is so good that I absolutely HATE having to wait on the next update. LOL! I stopped playing it 2 years ago, because I'd rather wait for the finished product.
I'm pretty certain that if I start Being a DIK, I'm going to have the same highs (playing a great game), and the same lows (having to wait for the next update). LOL! But 4 years in a long time to wait for its completion!
In a way I kind of agree with you, but discussing it is also part of the experience. A cliffhanger doesn't have the same impact if you can continue right away.
I guess my issue with this game was when I tried to continue on the next section I found all my saves were rejected so I would have had to start from scratch. Not even sure where I got to in the story....I think I was playing 8.1 or maybe 8.2, but now I'm confused as the heading in here says 'Interlude' is that something else to play or is it just saying the game development is suspended for now?
Lily cant be a federal agent since she is dealing drugs and having sex for money. Both are crimes even if she was a federal agent. Even on moves they don't actually do sex for money or sell drugs when undercover. Reason why many or some of them gets suspended when they end up using drugs and stuff. I am pretty sure he won't go on that road.
Lily hasn't had sex for money. The only things we've seen her do is a (fucking awesome!!!!) blowjob in exchange for shots, and a straight up hook up with the MC. She's a stripper, but that's not illegal, and we haven't seen her involved with any prostitution.
But more to the point, if you don't think that vice cops will engage in any activity right up to doing drugs and having sex with prostitutes, you don't know what you are talking about. In the US, vice cops are allowed to do pretty much anything. Entrapment laws don't even exist anymore, when it comes to drugs and prostitution. Even when they are still on the books, they are gleefully ignored by every single cop, prosecutor, and judge in the system.
Lily cant be a federal agent since she is dealing drugs and having sex for money. Both are crimes even if she was a federal agent. Even on moves they don't actually do sex for money or sell drugs when undercover. Reason why many or some of them gets suspended when they end up using drugs and stuff. I am pretty sure he won't go on that road.
Also, an informant is not the same thing as an "agent." There are any number of different ways she could be working with the cops which would make sense.
or, you know, somebody could have just told MC who Sage's parents were like any normal human beings would do in the many situations MC finds himself in with Sage
Lily hasn't had sex for money. The only things we've seen her do is a (fucking awesome!!!!) blowjob in exchange for shots, and a straight up hook up with the MC. She's a stripper, but that's not illegal, and we haven't seen her involved with any prostitution.
But more to the point, if you don't think that vice cops will engage in any activity right up to doing drugs and having sex with prostitutes, you don't know what you are talking about. In the US, vice cops are allowed to do pretty much anything. Entrapment laws don't even exist anymore, when it comes to drugs and prostitution. Even when they are still on the books, they are gleefully ignored by every single cop, prosecutor, and judge in the system.
Lily charges you for "fun" in the episode 5 (Hot Headed) you only get out of it by not being a DIK (no pun intended) and not sticking a finger in her ass in episode 3. So it's safe to say that she's charged money in exchange for sexual acts at least once. Probably more than once if we're being honest with how comfortable she was with charging MC.
Lily charges you for "fun" in the episode 5 (Hot Headed) you only get out of it by not being a DIK (no pun intended) and not sticking a finger in her ass in episode 3. So it's safe to say that she's charged money in exchange for sexual acts at least once. Probably more than once if we're being honest with how comfortable she was with charging MC.
I forgot that one. Still, doesn't preclude her being a narc, nor does the whole selling drugs thing. Vice cops are allowed to do anything, and it's all either completely legal, or is ignored by the system.
Sage has always been that way. She's always been caring, remember how she tries to cheer you up when you're down after the M&J reveal. Now we're getting to see the woman behind the party girl, but I don't think she has changed. She's always been a big softie, and I've said that before in this thread.
the focus on Sage has changed strongly, and this creates some disorientation, but I agree that there is not a big jump in her personality
emotionally before she was completely caught up in the anger over Chad's betrayal, and because of this she strongly neglects her duties as president: okay she wakes up early in the morning to read the sorority accounts, but she completely ignores Maya's plea for help and the fate of her "daughter" Mona.
And that's fine, it's congruent with the narrative.
but for example suddenly we see her as a student, without ever even seeing her go to class (as for example in passing had happened with Jill thanks to Josy), a serious, hard-working student, and at the same time the party girl instead disappears, even at the party at the HOTs her presence is very "institutional", she doesn't dance, she talks to all the guests etc.
unfortunately then, for the sake of plot, she continues to look like an unbelievable gullible person to Quinn, who continues to not do what she asks without losing an ounce of her trust
For me the best were, are and always will be Josy and Maya.
But that doesn't mean I dislike Sage, Jill, Isabella, Riona, Melanie, Sarah, Lily, Elena, Arieth, Aschley, Camily, Heather, KRJ, Sally, etc. Even Quinn has her moments with me, albeit few.
I forgot that one. Still, doesn't preclude her being a narc, nor does the whole selling drugs thing. Vice cops are allowed to do anything, and it's all either completely legal, or is ignored by the system.
For me the best were, are and always will be Josy and Maya.
But that doesn't mean I dislike Sage, Jill, Isabella, Riona, Melanie, Sarah, Lily, Elena, Arieth, Aschley, Camily, Heather, KRJ, Sally, etc. Even Quinn has her moments with me, albeit few.
I forgot that one. Still, doesn't preclude her being a narc, nor does the whole selling drugs thing. Vice cops are allowed to do anything, and it's all either completely legal, or is ignored by the system.
It's not illegal for undercover cops/agents to do illegal activities, but it does significantly reduce their credibility in court when the day comes when they have to testify against the criminals they have been working on.
This is a quote from the book of a legit undercover agent Joseph D. Pistone a.k.a Donnie Brasco, who was undercover in the mafia for 6 years and his work led to over 100 convictions of mobsters:
"I didn’t do these things to be a tough guy. But with things like drinking and drugs, you can’t be a fence-sitter around these guys. If you smoke a joint or take a snort the first time—maybe just to show that you’re a regular guy—or if you say, “Maybe later,” it gives the impression that you do drugs. If you’re a fence sitter, then you’re in a bind. You just invite people to keep offering it to you. And if you say, “Not now,” and then keep refusing and refusing and putting it off, they begin to wonder: What’s up with this guy? But if you draw the line right in the beginning—I don’t do it; I ain’t ever gonna do it—then that’s it, nobody cares anymore......
The thing is, even though it’s a fake world for you as an undercover agent, it’s a real world for the people that you’re dealing with. And you have to abide by the rules in that world. And those rules include how you establish your own standards, credibility, and individuality. I know one or two guys that drank or did drugs while they were undercover just because they thought they had to do that to blend in or show they were tough guys. It was an enormous mistake. You can’t compromise your own standards and personality. Smart wiseguys will see right through your act. You look like somebody that has no mind of his own, hence no strength. I don’t use drugs, and I wasn’t going to start using them then just for an undercover role. How could I tell my kids not to use dope if I was out there sniffing coke just for the job?
And there’s another reason, very practical. As an FBI agent, someday down the line I was going to be in court testifying on all these cases we were making. I was not going to lie. And I was not going to tarnish my credibility and risk failing on convictions by taking drugs or getting drunk or doing anything that would suggest I lacked commitment or character."
"I faced two major problems. One was that as an agent, I couldn’t actually participate in a hit—in fact, it was our duty to prevent the hit if possible — yet as a badguy I couldn’t turn down the invitation without losing credibility. What would I do if and when that situation came up? As an agent, I can’t allow a hit to go through, can’t condone it, certainly can’t participate in it, if I know it’s going to happen. But I could find myself in the situation all of a sudden"
So, while it's not forbidden for agents to participate in illegal activities, but it risks tarnishing the mission and losing the conviction for a number of reasons. Like for example how are you going to convict a guy you've been working on for murder if you're an accomplice and actually participated in it?
So if Lily is an actual undercover cop, then simply she's bad at her job or it's another bad writing by DPC, trying to come up with something he knows nothing about (like the Maya's bank and loan story for example).
Opinion. Sage has never had a DIK personality. At first glance, when meeting at the beginning of the game, she may seem like a bitch with a superiority complex, a typical pretentious cheerleader (Bella mentions this, by the way, but stipulates that she judges people superficially in vain). The fact that she is not who she seems to be seen during the game. Sage shows concern when MC gets beat up by jocks. She resents when MC jokes about his dead mother because MC made her feel like crap. She didn't like that MC considered himself a comfort boy after her breakup with Chad. After all, she loved Chad, and it shows.
The image of a bad girl is just a mask she wears to protect herself. Sage is actually neutral. She has signs of both DIK and CHICK affinity. It's depend on situation. The proof of this is that she is satisfied with any type of MC personalities. It doesn't matter if you're DIK or CHICK - the Sage way is always available. She has a hot temper, she loves hard sex and experiments in bed, she is a little wild thing.. But she cares a lot about people close to her. She is wild, open-minded and have a big heart. At that moment I realized that she is my type: View attachment 1830305
Sage's character is actually revealed in the seventh episode when she agrees to try and help Maya and sticks up for her because she is one of them. Perhaps Maya reminded her of herself in her early years. No wonder the seventh episode is called "True Colors". People, stop frustrating over a fake occasion. If you want a girl to be completely DIK then you have Quinn for that.
I have a series of save paths off to the side just to have a baseline. The LI or side, with no other influences (no other LIs or sides involved). I would think, in those situations, toward even the end of EP7 any LI path you are on, that LI would defend MC to the death. Obviously Maya/Josy being as one LI path.
i have a problem with Sage, there are some games where u want to try to romance a character, but there is this one character that u really like that at some point in the game will came to u to bare his hearth and ask u out, and it just physically hurt to turn her down just because u are trying someone else route, well that is Sage for me. Worse part is, i went for her route first, so every time i replayed the game to see the other LI route´s it was just.... ouch.
Lily charges you for "fun" in the episode 5 (Hot Headed) you only get out of it by not being a DIK (no pun intended) and not sticking a finger in her ass in episode 3. So it's safe to say that she's charged money in exchange for sexual acts at least once. Probably more than once if we're being honest with how comfortable she was with charging MC.
I forgot that one. Still, doesn't preclude her being a narc, nor does the whole selling drugs thing. Vice cops are allowed to do anything, and it's all either completely legal, or is ignored by the system.
It's not illegal for undercover cops/agents to do illegal activities, but it does significantly reduce their credibility in court when the day comes when they have to testify against the criminals they have been working on.
This is a quote from the book of a legit undercover agent Joseph D. Pistone a.k.a Donnie Brasco, who was undercover in the mafia for 6 years and his work led to over 100 convictions of mobsters:
"I didn’t do these things to be a tough guy. But with things like drinking and drugs, you can’t be a fence-sitter around these guys. If you smoke a joint or take a snort the first time—maybe just to show that you’re a regular guy—or if you say, “Maybe later,” it gives the impression that you do drugs. If you’re a fence sitter, then you’re in a bind. You just invite people to keep offering it to you. And if you say, “Not now,” and then keep refusing and refusing and putting it off, they begin to wonder: What’s up with this guy? But if you draw the line right in the beginning—I don’t do it; I ain’t ever gonna do it—then that’s it, nobody cares anymore......
The thing is, even though it’s a fake world for you as an undercover agent, it’s a real world for the people that you’re dealing with. And you have to abide by the rules in that world. And those rules include how you establish your own standards, credibility, and individuality. I know one or two guys that drank or did drugs while they were undercover just because they thought they had to do that to blend in or show they were tough guys. It was an enormous mistake. You can’t compromise your own standards and personality. Smart wiseguys will see right through your act. You look like somebody that has no mind of his own, hence no strength. I don’t use drugs, and I wasn’t going to start using them then just for an undercover role. How could I tell my kids not to use dope if I was out there sniffing coke just for the job?
And there’s another reason, very practical. As an FBI agent, someday down the line I was going to be in court testifying on all these cases we were making. I was not going to lie. And I was not going to tarnish my credibility and risk failing on convictions by taking drugs or getting drunk or doing anything that would suggest I lacked commitment or character."
"I faced two major problems. One was that as an agent, I couldn’t actually participate in a hit—in fact, it was our duty to prevent the hit if possible — yet as a badguy I couldn’t turn down the invitation without losing credibility. What would I do if and when that situation came up? As an agent, I can’t allow a hit to go through, can’t condone it, certainly can’t participate in it, if I know it’s going to happen. But I could find myself in the situation all of a sudden"
So, while it's not forbidden for agents to participate in illegal activities, but it risks tarnishing the mission and losing the conviction for a number of reasons. Like for example how are you going to convict a guy you've been working on for murder if you're an accomplice and actually participated in it?
So if Lily is an actual undercover cop, then simply she's bad at her job or it's another bad writing by DPC, trying to come up with something he knows nothing about (like the Maya's bank and loan story for example).
The scene above, and given Lily is the one securing a better deal for the Pink Rose's girls', negotiating down from Vinny's expensive deal to a better deal with Quinn, tells me she's she's not trying to bust anyone, she's just a stripper with a heart of gold. 24 carat gold.
