VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[SomboSteel]

I'm not going to post all the pictures where she looks bad because I won't.

But to say that there are "few" images is a lie because in each chapter it is certain that she will have an image where she looks bad
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It is that even in the first chapter when he does not come out much she has this face in his first appearance
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And I had Jill high on my list in the past.

yikes

 

[sixart]

In almost all renders, she looks even older than Bella

Play for kill when you are sure... if not...... ^

But, what business is it of yours?

What needs to be said.... from time to time...

Because I'm genuinely curious as to why would someone pick a frogface over a redhead or a blonde

I skipped to the end of the story.... since you are that biased

but they are just asking why do you like her. they arent saying you arent allowed to like her

When you reach the point where you ask SOMEONE ELSE as to WHY ( whatever ) you just reached the point where your creds for validity becomes a target as well... so be prepped when you are THAT down as to ask any randos as to why...

Bianca can tell my MC more about their moms as he fucks her.

Bring it on !

Your post is why I hate waifu wars with a passion on these threads, and is why I even bothered to answer you in the first place. Every time, someone thinks that just because they like some character in particular, they are entitled (and even forced) to dump on one or all other possible LI's and their adherents. It's childish, clutters up the threads and serves no useful purpose, unless it IS your purpose to piss people off.

I'm entitled and even FORCED to dump this on you ( coz of your mate there... ) Brace yourselves !!!

But for real...

sup bros
any news?

As is seems Warriors shut out the Mavericks' chapionship dreams for good... ( still a quater to go... )
Edit: and now it's set GSW to the finals

 

[SomboSteel]

When you reach the point where you ask SOMEONE ELSE as to WHY ( whatever ) you just reached the point where your creds for validity becomes a target as well... so be prepped when you are THAT down as to ask any randos as to why...

i mean, me personally, i like to think about stuff ALL the time. i spend a lot of time thinking about the things that i either like or don't like, and i ask myself why do i think these things or why do they annoy me etc. i could probably write you an essay about why my favorite stories/movies/shows/songs are what they are. I've found you can learn a lot about yourself if you actually spend the time thinking. for instance, the stories i love most in this world all have to do with self-actualization (either attempting it and failing or successfully achieving it). its literally something that my all time favorite things ALL have in common. that's probably one of the reasons this game was so exciting to me at first cause it was gonna be right up my alley. hopefully it continues along that path, but i guess we have to see what DPC has in mind

I've experienced a lot at college and in adult life that lots of people don't think that way and don't know why they like Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead or whatever, most people just seem to like what they are "supposed" to like (i.e. whatever is popular already). i am even interested in why people don't like stuff that i like cause then maybe i see my favorite stuff from a new perspective and maybe learn something new. people shouldn't be offended by being asked "why do you like this?", and it shouldn't be a mark against the person who asks it either. we all stand to gain more through enlightening discussion if people know why the things they like matter to them. so i would be genuinely interested in why the people who like Jill feel that way, id be curious to know if there is more to her appeal than not being with other guys previously or the other reasons i listed in my reasons for not liking her as much

 

[Ilhares]

ask myself why do i think these things or why do they annoy me etc. i could probably write you an essay about why my favorite stories/movies/shows/songs are what they are. I've found you can learn a lot about yourself if you actually spend the time thinking.

Well, there's your problem. You're a thinker, in a world progressively populated by people who would rather do anything but.

But I understand. I spent years watching the various crap put out in media and largely found much of it unsatisfying. People talk about identifying with various characters, but I rarely could. And then I caught Blake's 7 from the BBC running on a local PBS station. The character of Kerr Avon (portrayed by the now-deceased Paul Darrow) was perfect. A very practical, pragmatic individual that was willing to do the bad things that 'good' people weren't willing to do, even though it was needed. He wasn't terribly fond of most other people, but his loyalty (if earned) was set in stone and inviolate. And he did not take betrayal well.

Suddenly, somebody I could relate to!

It's very rarely that I find a character like that in much of anything, be it books, games, or film/TV. I also appreciate a good story with an ending that isn't all Disney Princess, which despite how often I complain about certain aspects of it, is why I loved Acting Lessons. No matter how nicely the game wraps up, when you look at the overall situation, that's still not really a 'happy' ending.

One of the best story twists I encountered involved a trio of old friends working to avenge certain wrongs done to them by a large corporate entity. In the final chapter of the book, protagonists B & C go home together feeling relieved that justice has finally been done, and all is well. Meanwhile, protag A is in the back of a limo with a Corporate Agent, who is explaining to him exactly how misguided and wrong B&C are with their current understanding of the situation, and tells A all the dirty little details about how everything was set up and put into action. He (A) now has to either keep his mouth shut and live with this knowledge, or destroy the peace and what remains of the lives of B & C, his dearest friends. (he keeps his mouth shut)

I love that kind of a twist on things, because the sugar & spice 'happy ending' garbage that gets pumped out in almost every flavor of media sickens me. Not just because it's usually false (e.g. it doesn't play out that way in normal life), but because it seems to brainwash people into thinking that everything should be that way, and if something doesn't go according to that Disneyesque plan then their world falls apart.

And I hate those people the most. People would be much better off if they'd learn to expect the worst outcomes, so they can be pleasantly surprised when they're wrong. And if they aren't wrong, then it's not that big a deal, they had planned for it.

Do I want an axe in the back from Bella? I do not, but we've seen how various LIs behave. Sage is more likely to be an axe murderer than Bella, even if Bella has the axe on display already. Then again, who knows what way Bella's mental delusions will manifest when she snaps?

It might not be pretty, but it's probably going to be satisfying.

 

[ChipLecsap]

But to say that there are "few" images is a lie because in each chapter it is certain that she will have an image where she looks bad
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I agree on these, also ep 5 flashback, when she talk to Rusty , there are 1-2 there. also her Silly face is , well Silly, I dont like it , The rest are kind of fine. It's a blow out of proportion, honestly.
And some of them gonna be weird no matter what or who is the girl, because as DPC try to show different emotions with facial expression, the base of the facial structure will kind of limit it.
The way DPC doing it, is try to give an "immersion" of these characters actually talking during conversation, and try to mimic how you face moves when your speak and express different emotions. - I honestly like this approach, but maybe that's just me

Anyway, most of these came from a situation during a conversation, Where she - Jill - giggling or grinning, thats most of the implication, than an actual stoic smile. and this is true to every character. Unfortunately for Jill she has way to much of Cheek bone. Zoey actually very similar to Jill, She just have a less strong cheekbones, and she will be in the similiar situtation more often than others, where she can look really good, and in other case she looks like a duck,
Maybe that's Why I like Zoey , because she is similar to Jill , but her facial feature, or design a bit "softer". I guess.

 

[Lightaces]

It's not illegal for undercover cops/agents to do illegal activities, but it does significantly reduce their credibility in court when the day comes when they have to testify against the criminals they have been working on.

This is a quote from the book of a legit undercover agent Joseph D. Pistone a.k.a Donnie Brasco, who was undercover in the mafia for 6 years and his work led to over 100 convictions of mobsters:

"I didn’t do these things to be a tough guy. But with things like drinking and drugs, you can’t be a fence-sitter around these guys. If you smoke a joint or take a snort the first time—maybe just to show that you’re a regular guy—or if you say, “Maybe later,” it gives the impression that you do drugs. If you’re a fence sitter, then you’re in a bind. You just invite people to keep offering it to you. And if you say, “Not now,” and then keep refusing and refusing and putting it off, they begin to wonder: What’s up with this guy? But if you draw the line right in the beginning—I don’t do it; I ain’t ever gonna do it—then that’s it, nobody cares anymore......

The thing is, even though it’s a fake world for you as an undercover agent, it’s a real world for the people that you’re dealing with. And you have to abide by the rules in that world. And those rules include how you establish your own standards, credibility, and individuality. I know one or two guys that drank or did drugs while they were undercover just because they thought they had to do that to blend in or show they were tough guys. It was an enormous mistake. You can’t compromise your own standards and personality. Smart wiseguys will see right through your act. You look like somebody that has no mind of his own, hence no strength. I don’t use drugs, and I wasn’t going to start using them then just for an undercover role. How could I tell my kids not to use dope if I was out there sniffing coke just for the job?

And there’s another reason, very practical. As an FBI agent, someday down the line I was going to be in court testifying on all these cases we were making. I was not going to lie. And I was not going to tarnish my credibility and risk failing on convictions by taking drugs or getting drunk or doing anything that would suggest I lacked commitment or character."

"I faced two major problems. One was that as an agent, I couldn’t actually participate in a hit—in fact, it was our duty to prevent the hit if possible — yet as a badguy I couldn’t turn down the invitation without losing credibility. What would I do if and when that situation came up? As an agent, I can’t allow a hit to go through, can’t condone it, certainly can’t participate in it, if I know it’s going to happen. But I could find myself in the situation all of a sudden"

So, while it's not forbidden for agents to participate in illegal activities, but it risks tarnishing the mission and losing the conviction for a number of reasons. Like for example how are you going to convict a guy you've been working on for murder if you're an accomplice and actually participated in it?

So if Lily is an actual undercover cop, then simply she's bad at her job or it's another bad writing by DPC, trying to come up with something he knows nothing about (like the Maya's bank and loan story for example).

There is a big difference between infiltrating the mob and a vice bust. If you think they expect even 1% of those cases to go to trial, you're kidding yourself. It's mostly public defenders who are so overworked they can't see straight, prosecutors who will take any kind of plea deal to keep their win rate high. And like I said, vice cops do this all the time - lie, sleep with prostitutes, then arrest them. It is at best entrapment, but given it is sex under misleading pretenses, it's better described as rape, and then throwing them in jail for it.

 

[memegamerfun]

Everyone watches how cops work in movies then think they’re experts

 

[otkmage]

SomboSteel I'm sorry if this has been asked before but what's the context to the image in your signature, what crime did you commit ?

 

[Lightaces]

You are wrong. They answer for the same crimes as anyone else. Are you telling me that if a policemen undercover kills a civilian, he is not going to answer for it? If they are undercover and working for mafia, mafia tells him to kill your mother, and they kill your mother, it is not illegal?
So stupid.
Many of these undercover operations are taken down because of it. The agent may get arrested or suspended, depending on what they have done. It is not something as simple as you watch on tv.

Why the hell do all y'all keep going straight for Donny fucking Brasco? We're talking low level vice cops here, not to mention Drug War era cops, who don't have nearly the skill to pull that kind of deep cover operation. They are more corrupt, and less competent, than Homicide or Organized Crime divisions. Vice cops take advantage of their suspects all the time. Most drug cops in a major urban area these days don't even know how to write a search warrant without perjuring themselves, but the system is so invested in the Drug War they just ignore it.

Now, I don't actually think that Lily is a cop anymore, but I do think she might be an informant, probably caught up in a drug bust and offered "a way out."

 

[Heycock]

SomboSteel I'm sorry if this has been asked before but what's the context to the image in your signature, what crime did you commit ?

The worst, by a swedish tribunal.

 

[Lightaces]

Everyone watches how cops work in movies then think they’re experts

I read about how the real world cops behave in the real world, and base my opinion about how they will act on how they have acted in the past.

But lets also not forget, BAD IS FICTION, and so it is reasonable to expect fictional cops to behave like....wait for it....FICTIONAL COPS!

 

[NebulousShooter]

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[shazba]

...because as DPC try to show different emotions with facial expression, the base of the facial structure will kind of limit it.
The way DPC doing it, is try to give an "immersion" of these characters actually talking during conversation, and try to mimic how you face moves when your speak and express different emotions. - I honestly like this approach, but maybe that's just me...

I like it too. DPC isn't just trying to make glamour shots for every render. He's tried to make the characters seem as human as possible and each of them has many faces.

I posted that shocker of Sarah a little earlier, and this one of Sage is terrible, but it made perfect sense, she was drunk and in the mc's face, that's rarely when a girl is looking her best:

Spoiler: Exhibit A

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I joked about how Jill would look better with a dick in her mouth, but in all objective honestly, girls look fucking stupid with a cock down their throat, their mouths stretched out and their face is contorted, but when you're 8-inches deep down your significant other's oesophagus, you're not thinking objectively, and she looks like an angel (or devil, depending on your angle ).

But regardless of the many faces each character has, when a girl smiles, it's normally their best look, but simply just not Jill. She goes from goddess to crack whore. I'm really surprised DPC just went with it...

 

[memegamerfun]

I read about how the real world cops behave in the real world, and base my opinion about how they will act on how they have acted in the past.

But lets also not forget, BAD IS FICTION, and so it is reasonable to expect fictional cops to behave like....wait for it....FICTIONAL COPS!

That’s a fair point, though I’d argue cops can work however the creator needs them to work to fit their story.

 

[sixart]

i ask myself why do i think these things or why do they annoy me

To put it very simply... that's what makes YOU you... certainly people differ to each other in many ways... that's one thing that makes one unique !

and don't know why they like Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead or whatever

Again going on the simple route... ( though Ilhares touched the subject very well ) YOU like to think... people that goes along with the popular thing most certainly NOT... just goes with the flow... sometimes it's good but most of the times it's quite alright to think about a thing or two... and folks don't like that much coz it's so 90's welp get with it !

people shouldn't be offended by being asked "why do you like this?", and it shouldn't be a mark against the person who asks it either

NO ! You are right... it might have come off as I was offended... surely it was not my intention It's not offence what we are talking about here and you later in your post declare your very curious being... but to be honest as you like to think about things you haven't thought about this ?! To ask THIS directly you just invite a very pointless / factless / baseless discussion about ones personal preference ( much like as to ask which one is the bestest girl ) which you can witness throughout polls tiermakers or just simple posts spread through the thread... EVERYONE has some point where he/she tackles this question ( or not and again goes with the flow as ^ ) Though if we wanna be honest it bears not much merit to do so... what YOU do is plenty enough ! THINK about it YOURSELF as to WHY you like or dislike something... others don't matter here... but can be good intel if you are stuck

But to get back to the old me... you know the sayin' curiosity killed the cat !

 

[ChipLecsap]

I like it too. DPC isn't just trying to make glamour shots for every render. He's tried to make the characters seem as human as possible and each of them has many faces.

I posted that shocker of Sarah a little earlier, and this one of Sage is terrible, but it made perfect sense, she was drunk and in the mc's face, that's rarely when a girl is looking her best:

Spoiler: Exhibit A

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I joked about how Jill would look better with a dick in her mouth, but in all objective honestly, girls look fucking stupid with a cock down their throat, their mouths stretched out and their face is contorted, but when you're 8-inches deep down your significant other's oesophagus, you're not thinking objectively, and she looks like an angel (or devil, depending on your angle ).

But regardless of the many faces each character has, when a girl smiles, it's normally their best look, but simply just not Jill. She goes from goddess to crack whore. I'm really surprised DPC just went with it...

There is a difference between, Smile, smirk, grin, giggle, or laugh. - they all express Joy, but differently

Smile

smirk

 

[sixart]

There is a difference between, Smile, smirk, grin, giggle, or laugh. - they all express Joy, but differently

Smile

smirk
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And of course THIS...

 

[Walter Victor]

i mean, me personally, i like to think about stuff ALL the time. i spend a lot of time thinking about the things that i either like or don't like, and i ask myself why do i think these things or why do they annoy me etc. i could probably write you an essay about why my favorite stories/movies/shows/songs are what they are. I've found you can learn a lot about yourself if you actually spend the time thinking.

Absolutely. Only a fool doesn't reflect on why he or she does/doesn't do/likes/dislikes things that he or she spends significant time on.

So why keep these thoughts to myself? I've been on the internet nearly as long as it has been available to the public, and I have learned through painful experience that giving out such information only results in arguments and even attacks. I have also learned that trying to win an argument on the internet is a fruitless undertaking. I have better things to do, like play these games, than to participate in fruitless undertakings. I come to these threads to receive and offer information, not to argue.

While most are respectful, there is always somebody...

 

[dalli_x]

yeah definitely the same for me. being with somebody who knows what they like and knows how to please is waaaaaay better than being with somebody who doesnt have any experience and knows nothing about themselves or how to make others feel good.

it is sexy as hell when a girl knows exactly what she wants/needs (and i assume its the same with dudes)

But that is exactly Jill's problem from my point of view. It doesn't bother me that she is sexually inexperienced, because Dr. Dick (MC) can change that. He can teach her anything he wants, deepthroat, anal sex, double penetration, bondage, gangbang, etc.

What really bothers me is that you didn't write SomboSteel precisely enough. You probably like a woman to know what she wants sexually. So actually what Zoey and MC's sex showed us in the Interlude. That's nice and fun.

But Jill knows exactly what she wants for a partner, and what she wants is definitely not what I want for my MC. Jill wants a puppy that will do whatever Mistress Jill wants, and that sucks. Twice she has actively interfered in MC affairs (attacking Chad, blackmailing Tybalt). Did she mean well? Yes, I'm sure she did. But that still doesn't give Jill the right to do it. The bad part is actually that Jill didn't even tell the MC beforehand. She even deliberately went against the MC's wishes after Chad's attack because she thought she knew better. With the Tybalt blackmail, Jill doesn't even talk to the MC about it beforehand and puts herself in situations where she needs help. (Full of the child)

Please don't get me wrong. I love emancipated women, I think it's sexy. But Jill hasn't really shown emancipation yet. Isabella says in EP5 that Jill doesn't peddle her last name like Rusty, but yet everyone (except the MC) on campus knows or knew that Jill is a Royce. Jill doesn't use her last name as actively as Rusty, but she doesn't reject the privileges her last name brings either.

Sage is different in this respect, and I would describe her as more of an emancipated young woman. She desperately wants to be independent. Even the MC says so in EP8. Yes, she asks her parents for help, some will think now. That's why I wrote emancipated (young) woman. She's still developing, but on the right track.

Jill, on the other hand, hasn't even begun to emancipate herself. She starts things without thinking about the consequences and therefore depends on the help of others, and Jill trusts in this help.

To stay with emancipation for once. Isabella is definitely emancipated. She has her life by and large under control. Josy also shows from the beginning that she is emancipated. She meets the MC at her summer job and when she comes to B&R, she finances herself from the money she earns herself. That's why her father is proud of Josy. Isabella and Josy have problems in the emotional area of their lives. Isabella because of the departure of James and Josy because of the unstable relationship with Maya, which is not Maya's fault, but the fault of her father Patrick. Perfect transition to Maya.

With Maya, you can't talk about emancipation. But with her, the problem is different than with Jill. Patrick is an overprotective jerk, as Josy said in EP7. Maya never had a summer job because her father didn't want her to. Even her clothes Patrick thinks are too revealing. Personally, I like Maya and you will think now that I don't know what I want because I wrote that earlier. (I love emancipated women, I think it's sexy.) But as I said, Maya's situation is different from Jill's. If Maya is freed from Patrick's dependency, I can see the possibility of Maya emancipating herself voluntarily. Jill, on the other hand, is more or less (if the MC is not on her way) forced to do so on the last date with Tybalt because there is no Isabella or the MC to help her. So you will see that Maya will have a job in EP9-EP10 because she wants to have that experience. This is even hinted at by DPC in EP4.

Who is still missing? Quinn. Yes, I know Quinn is not an LI, but she is a Banner Girl. Quinn is also emancipated, but in a wrong way. Like now. Quinn just takes the path of least resistance and it will fall on her feet. After all, we've seen that her plans don't work out and her drug business only got back on track thanks to a lucky coincidence named Lily. Quinn is not a doer, she is more of a caretaker. I also assume that Quinn didn't set up the drug business and the restaurant. Vinny will have done that and then Quinn took it over. Now don't ask me in what EP Quinn said that to Tommy, but she said it once to Tommy so he would know who she owed it all to. This is also a reason why Quinn wants the MC. The MC tackles things and gets them done. That's something Quinn can't do because she's always taken the path of least resistance so far. Ergo, a false emancipation.

Damn, my brain really does work like a pinball machine. All these thoughts about emancipation bring me back to Zoey.

We meet Zoey in the flashback of EP3. She was a wild girl, drank hard liquor and smoked. But the Zoey of Interlude now only drinks beer, doesn't smoke, and has sex with the MC. We see right at the beginning how Zoey motivates the MC to be and do more than the MC gives himself credit for. Zoey and the MC have a positive influence on each other. She goes to San Diego and takes responsibility for her life, albeit hastily, and even graduates from high school online. But she still fails across the board. She's also partially fallen back into old patterns of behavior, judging by all the tattoos. But she has tried to emancipate herself, but realizes she can't do it without the MC, so she needs help for that, her best friend, not a boyfriend.

 

[NebulousShooter]

So, I assume its universally agreed that the post Maya&Josy mope and the rebound boy moments were awful, but am I the only one that gets triggered by the MC trying to guilt Bella about their relationship at the dinner? Mother fucker, the only thing you risk is high fives, she is risking everything, her livelihood, career, image, friends.

Any other moments where the MC is on his period and you want to karate chop him?