Kellermann

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I don't know.

Certainly the pandemic partially cleared AVNs, but it's not like the video game market was waiting with folded arms for its new star. it's a very competitive industry, assuming DPC "made it" to make the leap, on the other hand it would be one of many, sure it would enter a more stable environment (all it takes is for patreon to change a few rules and it blows up), but I doubt it would achieve, at least in the short term, the same gains it has now
It is all up to DPC's talent to see if his work is accepted into mainstream or not. My assertion is simply that DPC wants to give it a try after BaDIK. I am not advocating the theory that he will be as wildly successful in the endeavour as he is in porn games. Lucky for him, he is set for life (unless his wife is spending the money as fast as it is arriving). He can afford to take a shot at mainstream without losing that much and without having to get a day job. Like I previously stated, Patreon/steam income won't disappear if he moves in a new direction. People will be playing AL & BaDIK 15 years from now, after the game is done. Every year, a new batch of horny 13 year olds comes of age and discovers F95. I still play and enjoy games from when I was a kid, like KOTORs, which have outdated graphics, so barring another house fire, I don't think BaDIK will be obsolete for a long time.

My personal preference is that DPC retains some lewds in his work. I would happy if he continues in AVNs, but I certainly would not mind if he does a Mass Effect style game. Again, not the same story or even genre, but a story-focused rpg accented with R rating type lewds would be quite fun to play. I actually think there is a market for a good game with softcore elements. The trend in Hollywood and increasingly in games is for less not more female nudity. We need a champion in mainstream to...#FreeTheNipple !
 

felicemastronzo

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Those are all the conspiracy theorists... they need to know if they will show Josy's mom's house, so they can connect it to Jill's mom and Bella .... :WeSmart: :KEK: :KEK: :KEK:
you know you might actually be right....

in the end in the most interesting previews it was always more about the where than the what :unsure: :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:

Josy swimming in the pool of the HOTs, Bella mirrored in the bathrooms of the DIKs....

no...no...I am overestimating the patreons....:cautious:
 

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It is all up to DPC's talent to see if his work is accepted into mainstream or not. My assertion is simply that DPC wants to give it a try after BaDIK. I am not advocating the theory that he will be as wildly successful in the endeavour as he is in porn games. Lucky for him, he is set for life (unless his wife is spending the money as fast as it is arriving). He can afford to take a shot at mainstream without losing that much and without having to get a day job. Like I previously stated, Patreon/steam income won't disappear if he moves in a new direction. People will be playing AL & BaDIK 15 years from now, after the game is done. Every year, a new batch of horny 13 year olds comes of age and discovers F95. I still play and enjoy games from when I was a kid, like KOTORs, which have outdated graphics, so barring another house fire, I don't think BaDIK will be obsolete for a long time.

My personal preference is that DPC retains some lewds in his work. I would happy if he continues in AVNs, but I certainly would not mind if he does a Mass Effect style game. Again, not the same story or even genre, but a story-focused rpg accented with R rating type lewds would be quite fun to play. I actually think there is a market for a good game with softcore elements. The trend in Hollywood and increasingly in games is for less not more female nudity. We need a champion in mainstream to...#FreeTheNipple !
Pink is now at the peak of his popularity, he hit the jackpot thanks to the pandemic, but no one knows what will happen next. Interest in the game needs to be maintained regularly, the number of patrons is practically not growing, and perhaps in the future there will be fewer of them. It certainly won't be critical for him, but it will affect his future potential project. Even in today's update, he indirectly agrees that he needs to engage in marketing from time to time, maintain interest, because he already has many competitors who give the product regularly, albeit worse.

It's really too early for us to talk about it, I just want this fucking year to end and end well, I've been worrying too much this year. :HideThePain:
 

felicemastronzo

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It is all up to DPC's talent to see if his work is accepted into mainstream or not. My assertion is simply that DPC wants to give it a try after BaDIK. I am not advocating the theory that he will be as wildly successful in the endeavour as he is in porn games. Lucky for him, he is set for life (unless his wife is spending the money as fast as it is arriving). He can afford to take a shot at mainstream without losing that much and without having to get a day job. Like I previously stated, Patreon/steam income won't disappear if he moves in a new direction. People will be playing AL & BaDIK 15 years from now, after the game is done. Every year, a new batch of horny 13 year olds comes of age and discovers F95. I still play and enjoy games from when I was a kid, like KOTORs, which have outdated graphics, so barring another house fire, I don't think BaDIK will be obsolete for a long time.

My personal preference is that DPC retains some lewds in his work. I would happy if he continues in AVNs, but I certainly would not mind if he does a Mass Effect style game. Again, not the same story or even genre, but a story-focused rpg accented with R rating type lewds would be quite fun to play. I actually think there is a market for a good game with softcore elements. The trend in Hollywood and increasingly in games is for less not more female nudity. We need a champion in mainstream to...#FreeTheNipple !
there is a portion of patreons who are likely to die in their sleep, as even dead projects can count on a hundred loyalists

but if DPC dropped AVNs to do something else, my guess is that many would drop it, and the new ones, attracted by a closed project with no updates, would be there, but there would be no queue

at the end of the day, the principle of Patreon is to support something that would otherwise have no chance of being realized, in fact it doesn't even need to be finished, the important thing is to give it a chance

then, personally, it seems to me to be a great delusion that a sexless "badik" would have the strength to stand on its own anyway, a story that is all about Maya's debt and Tybalt's blackmail... maybe if free for the cell phone...
 

Kellermann

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there is a portion of patreons who are likely to die in their sleep, as even dead projects can count on a hundred loyalists

but if DPC dropped AVNs to do something else, my guess is that many would drop it, and the new ones, attracted by a closed project with no updates, would be there, but there would be no queue

at the end of the day, the principle of Patreon is to support something that would otherwise have no chance of being realized, in fact it doesn't even need to be finished, the important thing is to give it a chance

then, personally, it seems to me to be a great delusion that a sexless "badik" would have the strength to stand on its own anyway, a story that is all about Maya's debt and Tybalt's blackmail... maybe if free for the cell phone...
Even if patreon completely dries up (which I don't think it will), he still has steam. AL and BaDIK are highly rated there and will continue to provide income for years if not decades. DPC has the creativity needed, the work ethic required, and the computer hardware necessary to create any game/genre he wants in the future; full lewd, non-lewd, or combo.

P.S. There are devs on here who essentially only create renders and don't do shit with their games. If DPC is hard up for cash during development of non-AVN, he could post a few renders and his legions of fans will be happy. My point is, money is never going to be an issue for DPC. He could lose half his patreons and still be set for life. The other half will stick with him no matter what project he works on...or doesn't (Icstor taught me this). You don't have to shut down your patreon just because you transition from hardcore to softcore.
 
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Oliver Wendell Homely

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I swear I've seen DPC talk about why he chooses to create within the adult genre, and how he would like to see the reduction or elimination of stigmas surrounding more graphic lewdness as it is perceived in mainstream media. But I can't find it in either the Patreon Q&As or his posts in F95. Maybe someone among the group remembers it as well?
I remember seeing that, too. I agree with him. Thankfully, at least in most countries, game platforms like Steam and GOG are willing to make games like that available. I've seen YouTubers play BaDIK, even. While DPC isn't exactly mainstream, he's clearly among the best known makers of this kind of game.
 
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noobchan51515

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As the only fan of Zoey I think DPC should just send me a private message and ask me directly what I want :ROFLMAO:

Yes I know I'm not the only one I just said it to joke :BootyTime:
i dont think your the ONLY Zoey fan i think your the only Zoey Simp i like Zoey her story was nice and it explaned a lot about how fuckface was at the start at least to me it did. I cant wait to see what she is going to do this far into the story but as long as she dont mess with my girl Sage or Maya or Nicole i would be happy if she took over Quin's spot i would be over the moon as she is just much better then her
 
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The MC once said something to Maya. Everyone deserves a second chance. Josy and Maya got their second chance.(y)

With Quinn, we're not even at the second chance stage yet. Yes, she did indeed "rape" the MC on the sperm petition. But let's face it. Quinn is already a horny girl, an MC should be able to get over something like that.
That's odd I seem to remember being given an option to purposefully lose the Cumpetition.
If you went balls deep in Quinn its because you chose that path not because Quinn made you.
 
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AchedCroissant

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What do you want for Zoey?:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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i dont think your the ONLY Zoey fan i think your the only Zoey Simp i like Zoey her story was nice and it explaned a lot about how fuckface was at the start at least to me it did. I cant wait to see what she is going to do this far into the story but as long as she dont mess with my girl Sage or Maya or Nicole i would be happy if she took over Quin's spot i would be over the moon as she is just much better then her
That's where our opinions don't match I want her to fuck all the girls of my sig
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Still it was 100% on you not on Quinn.
It was up to Quinn, because Cum Petition is all about rubbing the cock and not fucking. Ergo, Quinn violated the Cum Petition rule by simply sticking the MC's dick in. Thus, it was 100% Quinn's fault because the MC was tied up and thus it was rape no matter how long it lasted. The only thing that could override that would be if the MC teased Quinn because that would indirectly mean his consent. :rolleyes:

Or we could go your way and the MC is dickless and gets used to the taste of cum and might want more of Chad or Troy later. :eek:
 

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It was up to Quinn, because Cum Petition is all about rubbing the cock and not fucking. Ergo, Quinn violated the Cum Petition rule by simply sticking the MC's dick in. Thus, it was 100% Quinn's fault because the MC was tied up and thus it was rape no matter how long it lasted. The only thing that could override that would be if the MC teased Quinn because that would indirectly mean his consent. :rolleyes:

Or we could go your way and the MC is dickless and gets used to the taste of cum and might want more of Chad or Troy later. :eek:
Up for a fag run ? :LOL: :ROFLMAO::KEK::eek:
 

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I am sure that episode 9 will be the most controversial of all. Before that, the most controversial episodes were 5 and 8, but I think 9 will surpass them all. Why? Just because of the branching. He will just get confused, one branch will contradict another, he will change the characters of the characters for specific purposes. I am looking forward to the new episode, but I am already internally ready to see a large number of inconsistencies and contradictions.
Very wise. Agreed, its always good to expect bad stuff to temper ones expectations and the disappointment wont hurt as bad when the content is much worse or downright awful. If its very good or good content you come away happy :)

It would be a weird choice, since his main focus besides writing the story itself has been improving the animations and quality of the renders. Most of it would be pointless in a mainstream VN, since you're not expected to get that there except for some special bits.

Meanwhile, he can't do a game that isn't a VN with this quality since he works alone, and it'd be insane amounts of works for a single person.

Plus, if DPC is focusing on maximized earnings, he has two options: found an Indy studio and expand, and then go mainstream, or keep where he is and making tons of money. He found his niche, he earns incredibly well and is still slowly expanding.

Changing genres would be a significant risk, and for what? To write a non porn VN in a bloated and mostly dead market? And not to mention that his style, Realistic 3D isn't what mainstream VNs are, since those are almost always japanese or Japanese inspired, both visually and plot wise.

This isn't the early 2000s where things like Fate Stay exploded and created a mainstream franchise. People have much higher expectations and there's a lot of good to mediocre products there.

This reminds me of 2 stories:

Worm's author, Wildblow. One of the first niche internet authors to get really big from Patreon and his writings. His first story was wildly successful considering the predecessors. After finishing Worm, Wildbow decided to change genres from Superhero to a weird Horror/Fantasyesque story. It tanked and now he's back to writing a Worm sequel.

The entire Nostalgia Critic/That Guy with Glasses attempt at killing off the NC character and creating and directing a more mainstream humor show. It imploded quickly, made him lose a ton of money and he had to go back to critique videos to salvage his paycheck.
So much this. For one thing theres endless amounts of content out there, its easier to drop new stuff and enjoy games/books/movies whatever that you already consumed rather than take a chance at new stuff, especially if it doesn't capture you instantly.

People argue time and time again if its "The Great Creator" or if its "The Great Idea" that matters. This applies to all art but personally I am more familiar with books. On the one side we have people like Stephen King or Danielle Steel, prolific authors of different kinds. Both HUGELY successful. On the other side we have stuff like Romeo and Juliet, it got fucking millions of adaptions, its very much THE Idea. Sherlock Holmes, Alice in Wonderland. Then theres lesser ones like Jurassic Park/Fight Club/Starship Troopers, great ideas while mediocre books and they made awesome movies. In music you have megastars with decades of top tier work and then people that drop one good album and then is never heard about, and the even more telling ones are one hit wonders. You get my meaning.

Personally I believe its three axis and you need all three in some measure. Idea, Creator and Luck(Point in Time/Cultural Relevancy/Niche) with the third one being of both least and most importance but it does create the one and done works. The Idea will always exist and will always work because it acts like a floor, almost any creator can make it work, the Idea (or the Luck too) can boost you once to capture an audience if youre just barely good enough to not shit the bed. Being a Creator is what MAY set you apart though, its your eventual baseline, your basic output is of such a high quality of what youre doing that it shines through and I'm utterly convinced that being a Great Creator is a combination of decades of painstaking work and natural ability. Imo professionals and amateurs needs all three, at first the idea and luck is your floor and ceiling and it will remain so for a decent amount of time until you as a Creator becomes the floor.

As in your two examples, Im convinced those creators (and all others regardless of their field) grew to think they were better than they actually are once they "made it" and had a following. Thats why they crashed just as so many others have done when they changed. They think they are a far better Creator than they are and that the Idea and Luck are insignificant to their glorious self as Creator.

Imo you need all three, two at the minimum, until your body or work is so big and long that your experience is enough to be Creator mainly. It takes decades of spinning silver and gold to convert your audience and make new fans when you change direction.

DPC to me is like any other new creator enjoying their first big success. The only reason he have a reach and notoriety at all is the superb content (in comparison) with the rest of the field he is competing with at this time. If he can repeat the success he might actually be an emergent Creator and then he could attempt to convert. To prove to his audience and casual fan that there is something there.

Ponder how many of his patrons are fans of BaDik over DPC? I dont think many people like DPC at all, just like how many people dont like the creators and only specific works by them. Imo thats why so many creators fail, they conflict their work with themselves since they think themselves shines through their work.
 
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