VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

You got the wrong impression, my friend.

We will get some clues here and there as to what happened, which will keep us guessing and discuss it more and so the game gets even more exposure. Quite the simple marketing trick my friend. Have people talk about your product more and more, so that even more people find out about it.

We will probably get another hint in the next episode about James and probably will find out about the locked room in episode 11. Then at the end, James will be shown coming back in the epilogue and we will have to deal with him in episode 12 and possibly 13.

The guy has ready storylines in work already, what's the point of him blowing them all off in one episode and dig himself into a hole to think new storylines to keep people interested in the game?

for me you are completely off the mark on the question

clues are fun to figure out things you don't even suspect, but there is no point in relying on clues to know things you should just ask!!!

why should MC rely on clues to know whether the woman who asked him to stop dating other girls is free or not? he knows that at least she has been married, what should he/she wait for?

it just doesn't make any sense that MC and Bella are SERIOUSLY dating each other without talking about it, as long as it was a matter of sex and that's all we could accept that both of them were comfortable not broaching the subject, but that's enough now, there is no excuse.

to give an example: one thing is Lana, it is a grief for Jill, MC may be curious but he has no right to know what happened, he can figure it out on his own or wait for Jill to want to talk to him about it

 

[Lostanddamned]

This is a dangerous discussion to start...

I think about 95% of posters to this thread are lawyers, so it gets pretty heavy!

shazba: 95% of posters on this thread are lawyers.

Also shazba:

 

[felicemastronzo]

We all know that Jill is a little bit dense naive, so she assumes at first that people speak truth. But while there was no fire, she would find that Derek has started the sprinkler system and MC helped him. So, they at least vandalized the mansion in front of the witnesses, aren't they? And the clothes they stole, everybody have seen them wearing it. No matter that they threw it away before leaving the mansion (And Derek stole the cane and hat with him, if I'm not mistaken). I think there is definitely something for a lawyer to work with.

if Tybalt had simply told Jill the truth, MC would have been completely cut off, because he was completely irresponsible

instead Tybalt managed to lose before he even started

I have doubts that Jill could then find out anything ... since he didn't even have the initiative to ask Trent (the Prep who according to Tybalt wanted to expose MC) his side of the story

 

[Lostanddamned]

for me you are completely off the mark on the question

clues are fun to figure out things you don't even suspect, but there is no point in relying on clues to know things you should just ask!!!

why should MC rely on clues to know whether the woman who asked him to stop dating other girls is free or not? he knows that at least she has been married, what should he/she wait for?

it just doesn't make any sense that MC and Bella are SERIOUSLY dating each other without talking about it, as long as it was a matter of sex and that's all we could accept that both of them were comfortable not broaching the subject, but that's enough now, there is no excuse.

to give an example: one thing is Lana, it is a grief for Jill, MC may be curious but he has no right to know what happened, he can figure it out on his own or wait for Jill to want to talk to him about it

I don't think you get my point, pal.

MC clearly knows that James or the locked room isn't something that Bella feels comfortable talking about. His monologue after the dinner clearly emphasized that he should not rush things and take steps at Bella's pace. Clearly you aren't expecting everything to be solved in the range of 2 episodes?

We will get to a point where Bella and MC will be forced to talk about it, I just don't see your reasoning of rushing things. Would it have been better if after the dinner at Bella's house she was like "yeah, let me tell you about James - the locked room was a nursery of the child I miscarried and my marriage to James' fell apart, but he's gone now, come up to my bedroom after you clean up"?

 

[yossa999]

It's not about taking the lawsuit seriously or not. She believe Tybalt without ever looking into it. Hell she could have found out that Tybalt is lying by just talking to Rich (or was it Lucas, my mind is hazy on that), who according to Tybalt wanted to sue the MC.

But Rich was too busy pulling some coke from Quinn

Besides, technically they can't even sue him for arson anyway, because there was no fire to begin with. The whole thing was badly written just for the sake of drama IMO, it was the most annoying storyline written until now in the entire game.

There are tons of other shit he did to be sued for without proper defence, that's my point, and Tybalt has resources to do it. But I totaly agree that all this blackmail thing is there just for the sake of drama.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I don't think you get my point, pal.

MC clearly knows that James or the locked room isn't something that Bella feels comfortable talking about. His monologue after the dinner clearly emphasized that he should not rush things and take steps at Bella's pace. Clearly you aren't expecting everything to be solved in the range of 2 episodes?

We will get to a point where Bella and MC will be forced to talk about it, I just don't see your reasoning of rushing things. Would it have been better if after the dinner at Bella's house she was like "yeah, let me tell you about James - the locked room was a nursery of the child I miscarried and my marriage to James' fell apart, but he's gone now, come up to my bedroom after you clean up"?

the closed room has no importance compared to the issue of the husband, it is a curiosity, Bella could keep there whatever she wants, whether it is important is only our theory.

how can there be no urgency to talk about it? but are you serious? what else should they be talking about right now? the weather?
how does their relationship move forward if they don't address the issue?

which then, I repeat, knowing whether James is alive, dead, missing, in a coma, in prison does not in any way mean having solved the problem, but it does mean understanding what that problem is

 

[Lostanddamned]

the closed room has no importance compared to the issue of the husband, it is a curiosity, Bella could keep there whatever she wants, whether it is important is only our theory.

how can there be no urgency to talk about it? but are you serious? what else should they be talking about right now? the weather?
how does their relationship move forward if they don't address the issue?

which then, I repeat, knowing whether James is alive, dead, missing, in a coma, in prison does not in any way mean having solved the problem, but it does mean understanding what that problem is

I swear arguing with you is like arguing with Dalli, you keep changing the narrative.

They already took a big step in the last episode though, with the relationship becoming official. Clearly, they intend to tell Jill about it as it was shown. I'm not saying they won't talk about James at all, I just don't think it will be something that's done out of the blue and the conversation will be caused by some event that happens.

Like I said, Bella doesn't feel comfortable talking about him, so if you think rushing her to talk about him is going to do you any good, you're in for a surprise.

 

[BigBlueDude]

I presume a lot of you, if not most of you, have a primary run, the one that speaks to you the most, where you chase your favourite girl(s) and make the decisions you're most happy to live with, and this will be the one you start with when you resume with Episode 9.

So here's a question for ya'll:

Do any of you have a primary save where you're mc is still fucking Jade and you chose to give the "Jade fucking video" to the DIKs (i.e. Burke has seen it)?​

That's my main save. Its the "Absolute DIK" run. Ploughing through as many girls as possible, with my main sights on Quinn. It's like the most surreal experience, with the mc's cock moving from one girl's mouth to another girl's cunt, with the occasional girl's asshole and then back to some lucky girl's mouth again, so why not let Burke see the mc fucking Jade. Let the chips fall where they may, I say.

Spoiler: Alfred said it best...

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Yupp, thats my Neutral Maya&Josy + Bella playthrough. I was gonna be on whatever route Maya was on because I felt like Fuckface fit with her. Buuut through much of season 2 I no longer think that... I think. Now it feels more like the girls are better as friends and they have each other. Maya is basically a lesbian that happens to be BI for Fuckface first for being so isolated and then due to Josys interest in him. Im all but certain ill be all in on Bella, im more drawn in on that by each new playthrough. Early on (years ago) in this save i did some Sage stuff too before it dawned on me how good the game was gonna be but im generally against changing choices unless something is DUMB such as a gotcha by the dev. I dont think anything by DPC have been a gotcha so far that concern me. Anyhow, have been trying to close the Sage stuff down as much as I can in ep5-8. That mistake will have to remain, it might lead to some nice drama. Those choices are a couple years old now.

Now, why would you call

Spoiler: this fat fuck

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out like that? Totally uncalled for...

and this

Spoiler: smug fat fuck

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too, totally not uncalled...

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

That's the problem. The Jill of the first 3 episodes could spot a bully from a mile away even when the victim denied it. But suddenly she's too naive to spot what Tybalt is doing. As for the vandalism and theft the only proof would be against Derek, and I can't see him pushing Fuckface under a bus. In fact if anything he'd take the whole blame to protect Fuckface.

Alphas are very straight forward and simple Bullies. They pull up the victim's panties, push in the aisles, use their fists. They use brute force. For the naive Jill, this is easy to recognize.
Tybalt is cunning and manipulative. He always tried to be the "nice guy" around Jill. He is very two-faced. Remember how he talks to Jill, he always lies and embellishes himself. It is easy for the player to understand that Tybalt is a spoiled elitist, a chameleon, a child in the body of an adult, and also a clown. For Jill, who lives is in a bubble, this is more difficult, plus her naivety and desire to see only the good in people.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I swear arguing with you is like arguing with Dalli, you keep changing the narrative.

They already took a big step in the last episode though, with the relationship becoming official. Clearly, they intend to tell Jill about it as it was shown. I'm not saying they won't talk about James at all, I just don't think it will be something that's done out of the blue and the conversation will be caused by some event that happens.

Like I said, Bella doesn't feel comfortable talking about him, so if you think rushing her to talk about him is going to do you any good, you're in for a surprise.

the narrative is always the same, only I'm not a fanboy of anyone....


and in fact it already makes no sense that Bella asked MC to leave Jill before explaining to him her situation, completely selfish and meaningless act.
meaningless made even more dramatically evident by the dinner where they talk about the problems they face...the BR rules...which neither of them thought it was worth checking out...

MC leaves Jill, Jill suffers and despairs, the next day James returns (neither we nor MC can rule this out ) and it was all for nothing...

the big step for now was solely MC's, Bella really made no effort, even in the eighth chapter she did her usual tearful escape without then explaining anything really

MC, do you think, he was comfortable with having to dump the girls she was dating? at this point it doesn't matter, Bella has to explain her situation. there is no point in them talking about anything else

 

[yossa999]

That's the problem. The Jill of the first 3 episodes could spot a bully from a mile away even when the victim denied it. But suddenly she's too naive to spot what Tybalt is doing.

Well, she has bought it that Chad attacked MC out of the blue and there was no reasons for that as MC said. Absolutely no reasons kinda... I dont know, maybe something like the MC spyed over him at the gym, or flirting with the drunken Sage in public at the DIKs party, something like that (I know this not the true cause of Chad's surprise attack but it would seem to be like this for an unaware observer).
And I prefer to belive that Jill is not so naive and she understands that Chad can just beat a shit off MC with his fists and nothing more, while Tybalt can possible ruin MC's life using his resources.

As for the vandalism and theft the only proof would be against Derek, and I can't see him pushing Fuckface under a bus. In fact if anything he'd take the whole blame to protect Fuckface.

And Fuckface would take the blame to protect Derek, that's how they get them both to receive an equal sentence.

 

[Lostanddamned]

the narrative is always the same, only I'm not a fanboy of anyone....


and in fact it already makes no sense that Bella asked MC to leave Jill before explaining to him her situation, completely selfish and meaningless act.
meaningless made even more dramatically evident by the dinner where they talk about the problems they face...the BR rules...which neither of them thought it was worth checking out...

MC leaves Jill, Jill suffers and despairs, the next day James returns (neither we nor MC can rule this out ) and it was all for nothing...

the big step for now was solely MC's, Bella really made no effort, even in the eighth chapter she did her usual tearful escape without then explaining anything really

MC, do you think, he was comfortable with having to dump the girls she was dating? at this point it doesn't matter, Bella has to explain her situation. there is no point in them talking about anything else

Tara simp....

All you wrote is if MC pursued the other girls though. An MC that had nothing to do with the other LI's doesn't break up with anyone and simply makes his choice. They will talk about it sooner or later, I think it's intended to be done that way for that dramatic effect.

 

[BigBlueDude]

Alphas are very straight forward and simple Bullies. They pull up the victim's panties, push in the aisles, use their fists. They use brute force. For the naive Jill, this is easy to recognize.
Tybalt is cunning and manipulative. He always tried to be the "nice guy" around Jill. He is very two-faced. Remember how he talks to Jill, he always lies and embellishes himself. It is easy for the player to understand that Tybalt is a spoiled elitist, a chameleon, a child in the body of an adult, and also a clown. For Jill, who lives is in a bubble, this is more difficult, plus her naivety and desire to see only the good in people.

I agree with everything except the cunning part. He just fails, everyone sees through him except Jill as in your last sentence. What have he ever succeeded with except becoming the president of the preps(probably facilitaed by his parents too)? I dont see cunning in him at all. Just bad manipulation and parental money paving the way for him.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Tara simp....

All you wrote is if MC pursued the other girls though. An MC that had nothing to do with the other LI's doesn't break up with anyone and simply makes his choice. They will talk about it sooner or later, I think it's intended to be done that way for that dramatic effect.

Bella apparently does not know who CM is dating, and still wants to be reassured about Jill in particular. Bella makes the request to MC anyway, a mature woman asking a boy to stop dating girls his age, there is no more room for embarrassment in talking about her husband....

certainly the issue is postponed for dramatic effect, but if you pull too hard then you lose it completely

imagine Bella and MC never talk about it, and suddenly in chapter 16 Mc is at Bella's house and there's a knock on the door and he goes to answer it and it's James
"so when you said you were married that meant you had a husband!?!?! oh my god!!! why did you hide this from me!!!"

at that point what do you want me to care anymore? it was never a problem for them and it should be a problem for me?

there is a time limit when a twist makes an impact, after that it's just yawns

 

[dalli_x]

I just noticed this...

Now I've believed, the same as seemingly a lot of other people here, that Josy isn't as "Chick" as say Maya or Jill, and that she has a more naughty side (like when she deliberately gives the mc an eyeful when he's on the floor picking up the pencil, or when she's gagging on a banana in the library being more than slightly suggestive).

But here's the interesting observation (it's probably been pointed out already and I'm just years behind):

When Josy accosts the mc and coerces him into having a heart-to-heart with her and Maya (this happens immediately before the infamous library dumping scene), she says to him:

Josy: "I've realized I already made my bed with my choices..."​

And then, if she's fucked the mc and he's not a DIK (i.e. DIK affinity), she adds:

Josy: "...but if I got the chance to go back and change them...I wouldn't."​

However, if the mc's a DIK, or if she never got to fuck him, she adds:

Josy: "...and if I got the chance to go back and change them...maybe I would. I'm not sure..."​

This is quite interesting. Two things can make her possibly regret her past actions with the mc:

1. She never fucked him; or
2. She fucked him but he behaves like a DIK.

All along I thought she'd kinda be into a DIK mc, and it's Maya that holds her back, but this scene indicates otherwise.

I guess there were other signs way back even in episode 1, like if the DIK mc compliments her butt, she equates it to the way Steve acts...

But yeah, always thought she'd be into a DIK, well at least she's into "dick"...

Shazba: There are a lot of little hints like that in relation to Josy.

For example, Josy asks the MC in EP2 what he thinks about what Pete did with Monica.

The backstory to Josy's question and the MC's decision.
Josy: "He got tired of mom’s nagging and met Monica on a business trip."
Josy: "He says that nothing happened between them while he still was with mom."
Josy: "But that’s just a big lie."
Josy: "I know he wasn't faithful to mom."
Josy: "But he ended up with someone who makes him happy..."
Josy: "...so I guess that makes it ok."
Josy: "ls that weird?"

Answers MC and Josy.
Yes
MC: "Yeah, it’s kinda weird..."
MC: "Isn't it cheating?"
Josy: "Either that or a way out from being unhappy."
Josy: "At least that's how I see it."

At Yes, a certain word falls from Josy. Unhappy. This refers to Elena and Josy. Both of them are wearing a T-shirt in the game that says "Happy Girls." When will the girls, especially Josy, be happy? When the MC is on the way to the love triangle, because then Josy and Maya won't have to cheat to be happy. Why Elena. She and John really love each other and both pick up a girl for a threesome every now and then. MC friendship path with Josy and Maya.

No
MC: "l wouldn’t want that to happen to me..."
MC: "...but no, it’s not weird."
MC: "It seems to be really common these days."
Josy: "Yeah, I don’t really know what to think."

The MC doesn't want to be cheated, but he thinks it's normal in this day and age. This refers to the solo paths of Josy and Maya. The MC is being cheated by Josy and Maya. As written solo paths. At the end of EP7, Maya says to Sage so it happens more often that the ex-boyfriend or even ex-girlfriend has sex with a mutual friend.

In Josy's case, there is another special conspicuousness. We can decide in EP1 whether the MC looks at Josy's left breast or right ass cheek. Personally, I chose the left breast. But why is that important?

On their first date, the MC has the DIK/NEUTRAL/CHICK option. With NEUTRAL, the player gets a different animation a little later on the first kiss than when choosing DIK or CHICK. The difference is that we see the MC caressing Josy's left breast and there is a pan to Josy's feet rubbing their feet together. During their date in EP2, Josy rubs her left breast lightly with her left arm. Before sex in EP5, Josy rubs her left breast in the same way. This is no longer a coincidence. But when Josy rubs her left breast, there is horny sex.

When the MC looks at Josy's right ass cheek in EP1, I also noticed something. Most of the time Josy stands there so that her left ass cheek is higher than her right. Except twice. In EP7 when Josy finally gets into the HOT pool and in EP8 when the MC touches Josy's right ass cheek. In both of these scenes Josy doesn't have an orgasm, whereas in EP2 she almost had an orgasm with her left breast. But in EP5, EP7 and EP8 she had one. In EP8 it was in the hot tube. Josy's left breast was facing the MC. And here's the thing. Maya had her right breast facing the MC and did not have an orgasm, although Maya had her orgasm in EP7. There the MC also touched both of Maya's breasts.

It is actually clear so that the left side of the characters is DIK and right is CHICK. Isabella says so in EP5 that the name DIK symbolizes a phallus.

Affinity. What is affinity? That a person is attracted to something, is excited about it, and wants it. What do girls who are not lesbians want? DICK's. When do Josy and Maya have an orgasm? When their left side of the body is highlighted in play. That's why I'm wary of the DIK side per se. And why? Non-gay guys want CHICK's.

I have two pictures for you guys. The more masculine image has "chick_sign" in the original caption and the more gay image has "dik_sign". Well, we'll see what DPC has in store for us. Maybe the MC only shows gay signs when he is drunk.

Spoiler: Gay or not gay is the question here?

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[felicemastronzo]

I agree with everything except the cunning part. He just fails, everyone sees through him except Jill as in your last sentence. What have he ever succeeded with except becoming the president of the preps(probably facilitaed by his parents too)? I dont see cunning in him at all. Just bad manipulation and parental money paving the way for him.

this is an old topic, but i don't see anywhere that Jill doesn't value Tybalt, not as a companion but as a friend, the whole blackmail issue would make even less sense if the premise was that Jill doesn't trust Tybalt. even the idea that Tybalt will stop at the third date assumes a certain amount of trust.

what certainly haunts Jill is Tybalt's display of his wealth, but absolutely I believe that, before the blackmail of course, she was comfortable with Tybalt

 

[Lostanddamned]

Bella apparently does not know who CM is dating, and still wants to be reassured about Jill in particular. Bella makes the request to MC anyway, a mature woman asking a boy to stop dating girls her age, there is no more room for embarrassment in talking about her husband....

certainly the issue is postponed for dramatic effect, but if you pull too hard then you lose it completely

imagine Bella and MC never talk about it, and suddenly in chapter 16 Mc is at Bella's house and there's a knock on the door and he goes to answer it and it's James
"so when you said you were married that meant you had a husband!?!?! oh my god!!! why did you hide this from me!!!"

at that point what do you want me to care anymore? it was never a problem for them and it should be a problem for me?

there is a time limit when a twist makes an impact, after that it's just yawns

Well MC tends to be a bit of daft, so would you be really surprised if what you described actually happens?

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I agree with everything except the cunning part. He just fails, everyone sees through him except Jill as in your last sentence. What have he ever succeeded with except becoming the president of the preps(probably facilitaed by his parents too)? I dont see cunning in him at all. Just bad manipulation and parental money paving the way for him.

Small correction. Tries to be tricky with Jill and succeeded for a long time. In everything else, he fails.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Well MC tends to be a bit of daft, so would you be really surprised if what you described actually happens?

it's not about MC, it's about DPC

And no, it wouldn't surprise me that much

 

[Lostanddamned]

it's not about MC, it's about DPC

And no, it wouldn't surprise me that much

No worries on the Bella route though. As soon James comes back, MC will call his homie Stephen and tell him about the roadblock he's facing and Stephen will murder James in cold blood.

As Stephen is sentenced to prison for the murder of James, MC will be waiting for him at the steps of the court house and the following scene happens:


MC: Hey Burker.....
MC: Take care, man....
MC: You're my hero.