VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Idontknowme]

If I may offer my two cents on the issue regarding the Sage-Chad relationship and DPC 'not changing stuff'. Whether DPC wants to or not the way he has written the Sage-Chad relationship he has set himself up for failure. And a lot of it is due to him kowtowing to the demands of the small 'vocal' fraction of the anti-NTR group.

Sage's motivations for her relationship with Chad are not clear. The reason their romance fizzled out isn't clear. Sage's reasons for trying to salvage the burning ship of their relationship aren't clear. Why Chad would willingly cheat on Sage if their partnership was so crucial is not clear.

The simplest way out of this would be to not listen to the irrational part of the anti-NTR'ers and show Sage and Chad to be mildly affectionate (sort of stuck in a routine, in a rut). Maybe their sex is less than adequate due to the ED or the fact that he exhausts himself cheating on her. Show it. Tell the goddamn audience that. Hell! show it in the past and don't acknowledge that it is happening in the present. Then enter MC and the 'magic baseball bat' and in due course of time Sage realizes that MC is a better fit for her (Pun absolutely not intended). Initially start off a 'fwb' arrangement between the two. But as Sage realizes that MC is much more a 'boyfriend material' than Chad she starts to see him less and less and eventually breaks up with him. The breakup could be drawn out and may be contingent on whether MC becomes DIK president (say).

But in its present state why any sane woman would think her relationship with Chad needed saving is beyond me. I hope the explanation for why she found a pair of knickers in his bag does not turn out to be that he is into cross-dressing.

 

[fromsovngard]

Is there a way to fool around with Camila and Mona on DIKs party in ep4? I have my second playthrough, full DIK mode this time and got Camila from the menu, yet after getting a bear for Mona nothing happens.

 

[mindern]

at least in the paths where MC becomes her fuck buddy I would say that Sage has solved that problem (she could have solved it differently also in the other paths)

Sage doubted that Chad was cheating on her, the betrayal was proven. Sage felt neglected, Chad continues to neglect her. what would she be waiting for then?

the relationship with Chad is already over, what remains is the appearance of that relationship
neither Sage nor Chad have reason to reveal the truth

But it isn’t over from her perspective and this inconsistency is my entire point.

For us as a reader her relationship is beyond dead. It barely even existed and the only logical explanation for why she’s stuck around is either she’s a lunatic bunny boiler or the relationship serves another purpose. You’re on the money to assume it isnt a real relationship, all the signs point to it and there’s next to zero evidence they’re a real couple.

But her behaviour doesn’t support that. Shes so angry at the lack of affection it’s creating an inconsistency. She acts like it’s a real functioning relationship she’s unwilling to let go, she puts labels on her relationship with MC, rejects any semblance of feelings because it’s “just” sex with MC. Every times she’s asked about Chad she dodged the question and says it’s complicated or whatever. I’d settle for someone saying stuff happened off camera but even that isn’t acceptable apparently.

This here is my entire point about DPC never showing any of these relationships. The characters are left making seemingly odd choices because they’re reacting like they’re in serious relationships but the story screams that they’re not. It creates an inconsistency we can’t fully reconcile.

We’re all disagreeing on this point not because someone’s right or wrong but because the story is flawed. Characters are seemingly reacting to, and motivated by, behaviours never shown and we’re all bridging the gaps in the story.

 

[sassobello22]

Hi Everyone, I need an advice.
I finished the 5th chapter yesterday and i'm considering to re-play the game at least another 2 times, only Chick choices and only Dik choices. In my main I decided to be as neutral as possible with all the choices but I know that in future updates there will be needed a specific affinity and status, so here is my question. Do you think that i should make another save more focused on a specific affinity and status Not like Huge Chick/Dik but only Chick/Dik to have more possibility for future scenes or you think that a neutral affinity and status will allow me to see the most of the scenes (I know for example that for Jill in chapter 4 there is a scene only for Chick and i love Jill, the same for Josy and Maya, but i like a lot also Sage that is more Dik oriented so I don't know what to do. Until now I tried to be as neutral as possible to see scene on both of sides but i know that I have to make a decision sooner or later)

 

[Conklingc]

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[Wizard_Shiryuu]

If I may offer my two cents on the issue regarding the Sage-Chad relationship and DPC 'not changing stuff'. Whether DPC wants to or not the way he has written the Sage-Chad relationship he has set himself up for failure. And a lot of it is due to him kowtowing to the demands of the small 'vocal' fraction of the anti-NTR group.

Sage's motivations for her relationship with Chad are not clear. The reason their romance fizzled out isn't clear. Sage's reasons for trying to salvage the burning ship of their relationship aren't clear. Why Chad would willingly cheat on Sage if their partnership was so crucial is not clear.

The simplest way out of this would be to not listen to the irrational part of the anti-NTR'ers and show Sage and Chad to be mildly affectionate (sort of stuck in a routine, in a rut). Maybe their sex is less than adequate due to the ED or the fact that he exhausts himself cheating on her. Show it. Tell the goddamn audience that. Hell! show it in the past and don't acknowledge that it is happening in the present. Then enter MC and the 'magic baseball bat' and in due course of time Sage realizes that MC is a better fit for her (Pun absolutely not intended). Initially start off a 'fwb' arrangement between the two. But as Sage realizes that MC is much more a 'boyfriend material' than Chad she starts to see him less and less and eventually breaks up with him. The breakup could be drawn out and may be contingent on whether MC becomes DIK president (say).

But in its present state why any sane woman would think her relationship with Chad needed saving is beyond me. I hope the explanation for why she found a pair of knickers in his bag does not turn out to be that he is into cross-dressing.

Chad being gay is the only explanation in universe that would explain Chad's behaviour, the other one would be no NTR and I'd rather stick to in universe explanations if possible.

I've seen some women trying to save relationships in which they were abused IRL, didn't notice the abuse and still wanted to be with that guy, I'm not surprised by anything at this point. Thinking it now coldheaded it's easy to say "Why doesn't she just leave him?" We don't know for sure what's on her head, but I think I understand her.

And how many times have we heard about writers having their stories micro-managed to the point where it ends up completely butchered? Having other people tell you how to do your story because of what they want or what they think people want can lead to the story being completely ruined by all the different voices trying to pull it in the complete opposite direction.

Sometimes changes to a story can make it work better and sometimes changes completely ruin it, especially when you change it to what you think people want. As God (Morgan Freeman) said in Bruce Almighty, "Since when did anybody ever have a clue about what they want?" The best thing a writer can do, especially ones who don't answer to Hollywood producers or publishing companies, is to stick to their guns and write their story because there will always be an audience and a market for it.



According to the OP in the mod thread, it is now apparently possible to use the mod to see both the Maya and Josy scenes in ep 5.



Tybalt used Photoshop, or simply this is the "non-punched" image and there will be a "punched" alternate in ep 6 for those who hit him.



Technically, it's only really the dreaded 3-letter word if the viewer/player cares about the character in question. Therefore, if players aren't interested in pursuing Sage, then seeing her with Chad isn't really NTR since there's no feeling there. However, in order to avoid people feeling that, it's likely we won't see any LIs interacting with "love rivals" until the game's various endings, and this will likely also include seeing Maya and Josy together in any way.

Also, Jill's alternate is likely to be Rusty.

In games like Dragon Age (don't remember exactly which ones, at least Inquisition) LIs you don't pursue yourself often end up in relationships with each oher, and I've NEVER heard anyone complain about it. I don't know when this trend of calling everything that happens, even referenced offscreen is NTR started.

 

[felicemastronzo]

But it isn’t over from her perspective and this inconsistency is my entire point.

For us as a reader her relationship is beyond dead. It barely even existed and the only logical explanation for why she’s stuck around is either she’s a lunatic bunny boiler or the relationship serves another purpose. You’re on the money to assume it isnt a real relationship, all the signs point to it and there’s next to zero evidence they’re a real couple.

But her behaviour doesn’t support that. Shes so angry at the lack of affection it’s creating an inconsistency. She acts like it’s a real functioning relationship she’s unwilling to let go, she puts labels on her relationship with MC, rejects any semblance of feelings because it’s “just” sex with MC. Every times she’s asked about Chad she dodged the question and says it’s complicated or whatever. I’d settle for someone saying stuff happened off camera but even that isn’t acceptable apparently.

This here is my entire point about DPC never showing any of these relationships. The characters are left making seemingly odd choices because they’re reacting like they’re in serious relationships but the story screams that they’re not. It creates an inconsistency we can’t fully reconcile.

We’re all disagreeing on this point not because someone’s right or wrong but because the story is flawed. Characters are seemingly reacting to, and motivated by, behaviours never shown and we’re all bridging the gaps in the story.

but Sage is very angry at the begining, when she suspected . then that phase ended

after the kissing scene on the forehead I would say that she no longer thinks about it, her only concern is to eventually establish with MC that he is and will remain the fuck buddy.
at that moment the "real" relationship ends, only communication to the world is missing

then in this specific case it is very credible that Chad and Sage do not see each other, Chad has another relationship (which he cares about but wants to remain secret) and Sage cannot find in him the attitudes he needs (which she finds instead in MC or others). why should they meet "intimately"?

 

[ExDeath730]

Hi Everyone, I need an advice.
I finished the 5th chapter yesterday and i'm considering to re-play the game at least another 2 times, only Chick choices and only Dik choices. In my main I decided to be as neutral as possible with all the choices but I know that in future updates there will be needed a specific affinity and status, so here is my question. Do you think that i should make another save more focused on a specific affinity and status Not like Huge Chick/Dik but only Chick/Dik to have more possibility for future scenes or you think that a neutral affinity and status will allow me to see the most of the scenes (I know for example that for Jill in chapter 4 there is a scene only for Chick and i love Jill, the same for Josy and Maya, but i like a lot also Sage that is more Dik oriented so I don't know what to do. Until now I tried to be as neutral as possible to see scene on both of sides but i know that I have to make a decision sooner or later)

Hey man, first, about before, you didn't need to say sorry to me i was just pointing out something, and i hope i didn't went too hard on you, if i did, sorry.

About your question, i think it's best if you make playthroughs geared to certain characters instead of alignment. Because if i remember, Jill you need to be a massive chick as well as having chick afinity to unlock that scene. DIK has more sex scenes than Chick at the moment, but mostly because of Quinn's Restaurant and the HOTs, i think the Camila scenes are gated for DIKs.

Anyway, i don't know what girl you are pursuing in your main save, probably M+J because you're being neutral, but make saves tailored for other LIs, or, if you want to just see a lot of sex scenes, go DIK, you can pursue Sage while basically banging all the HOTs and teachers.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

For us as a reader her relationship is beyond dead. It barely even existed and the only logical explanation for why she’s stuck around is either she’s a lunatic bunny boiler or the relationship serves another purpose.

You are seeing the relationship, as you said, from the reader's point of view. You are not seeing it from her point of view. There are people who are very stubborn or cannot let go because I've seen such people in real life who adamantly stick to a dead relationship. There can be a few reasons for this, either it is their characteristic, or feeling extreme insecure, or traumatized.

Hi Everyone, I need an advice.
I finished the 5th chapter yesterday and i'm considering to re-play the game at least another 2 times, only Chick choices and only Dik choices. In my main I decided to be as neutral as possible with all the choices but I know that in future updates there will be needed a specific affinity and status, so here is my question. Do you think that i should make another save more focused on a specific affinity and status Not like Huge Chick/Dik but only Chick/Dik to have more possibility for future scenes or you think that a neutral affinity and status will allow me to see the most of the scenes (I know for example that for Jill in chapter 4 there is a scene only for Chick and i love Jill, the same for Josy and Maya, but i like a lot also Sage that is more Dik oriented so I don't know what to do. Until now I tried to be as neutral as possible to see scene on both of sides but i know that I have to make a decision sooner or later)

Only do it if you really want to unlock scenes and also see the story from different perspectives. Unless you have a lot of time and wish to create bajillion saves like some of our friends here.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

If I may offer my two cents on the issue regarding the Sage-Chad relationship and DPC 'not changing stuff'. Whether DPC wants to or not the way he has written the Sage-Chad relationship he has set himself up for failure. And a lot of it is due to him kowtowing to the demands of the small 'vocal' fraction of the anti-NTR group.

Even if something doesn't rise to the level of the actual definition of NTR, not everybody is comfortable seeing someone that they are romantically interested in having sex or just being mildly intimate with someone else, even if that someone else is their partner or spouse.

It's easy for people to internalise these games because you are almost literally being put in their shoes to see what they see and experience what they experience, so if seeing this kind of thing would make you uncomfortable in real life, then it will make you feel uncomfortable here. Even if it's shown in flashback form like with M&J it can be uncomfortable because although it happened before they met the MC, it's like watching a sex tape of your current partner with her ex-partner; you can ccept that they've been with someone before but you don't want to see it.

The problem is that this feeling of being uncomfortable is conflated with NTR, but the two things are vastly different, but it's still probably a good idea for DPC to avoid showing LIs with "love rivals" in intimate ways too much in order to not have this controversial topic plague the game in any way.

But in its present state why any sane woman would think her relationship with Chad needed saving is beyond me. I hope the explanation for why she found a pair of knickers in his bag does not turn out to be that he is into cross-dressing.

I personally think something like that would be more interesting because we're all flitting back-and-forth between simple theories that he's cheating with another girl or that he's gay and cheating with a guy, but to find out that he secretly likes to hang out down by the docks and be called "Chanel" would be hilarious.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

If I may offer my two cents on the issue regarding the Sage-Chad relationship and DPC 'not changing stuff'. Whether DPC wants to or not the way he has written the Sage-Chad relationship he has set himself up for failure. And a lot of it is due to him kowtowing to the demands of the small 'vocal' fraction of the anti-NTR group.

Sage's motivations for her relationship with Chad are not clear. The reason their romance fizzled out isn't clear. Sage's reasons for trying to salvage the burning ship of their relationship aren't clear. Why Chad would willingly cheat on Sage if their partnership was so crucial is not clear.

The simplest way out of this would be to not listen to the irrational part of the anti-NTR'ers and show Sage and Chad to be mildly affectionate (sort of stuck in a routine, in a rut). Maybe their sex is less than adequate due to the ED or the fact that he exhausts himself cheating on her. Show it. Tell the goddamn audience that. Hell! show it in the past and don't acknowledge that it is happening in the present. Then enter MC and the 'magic baseball bat' and in due course of time Sage realizes that MC is a better fit for her (Pun absolutely not intended). Initially start off a 'fwb' arrangement between the two. But as Sage realizes that MC is much more a 'boyfriend material' than Chad she starts to see him less and less and eventually breaks up with him. The breakup could be drawn out and may be contingent on whether MC becomes DIK president (say).

But in its present state why any sane woman would think her relationship with Chad needed saving is beyond me. I hope the explanation for why she found a pair of knickers in his bag does not turn out to be that he is into cross-dressing.

Until now the only thing that is clear is this, all are done in the name of

 

[sassobello22]

Hey man, first, about before, you didn't need to say sorry to me i was just pointing out something, and i hope i didn't went too hard on you, if i did, sorry.

No you didn't go too hard, I only saw that what i said was in part incorrect and that i didn't really want to see a scene like this because it is not in line with the plot

LIs

I'm new here and i don't know all the abbreviations you use, what does this one mean?

 

[lemonfreak]

But it isn’t over from her perspective and this inconsistency is my entire point.

For us as a reader her relationship is beyond dead. It barely even existed and the only logical explanation for why she’s stuck around is either she’s a lunatic bunny boiler or the relationship serves another purpose. You’re on the money to assume it isnt a real relationship, all the signs point to it and there’s next to zero evidence they’re a real couple.

But her behaviour doesn’t support that. Shes so angry at the lack of affection it’s creating an inconsistency. She acts like it’s a real functioning relationship she’s unwilling to let go, she puts labels on her relationship with MC, rejects any semblance of feelings because it’s “just” sex with MC. Every times she’s asked about Chad she dodged the question and says it’s complicated or whatever. I’d settle for someone saying stuff happened off camera but even that isn’t acceptable apparently.

This here is my entire point about DPC never showing any of these relationships. The characters are left making seemingly odd choices because they’re reacting like they’re in serious relationships but the story screams that they’re not. It creates an inconsistency we can’t fully reconcile.

We’re all disagreeing on this point not because someone’s right or wrong but because the story is flawed. Characters are seemingly reacting to, and motivated by, behaviours never shown and we’re all bridging the gaps in the story.

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She's been with Chad for at least 2 years (as shown in the chapter 5 flashback) and probably longer than that.

sassobello22 Love Interests, basically Bella, Jill, Josy, Maya and Sage.

 

[Conklingc]

I'm new here and i don't know all the abbreviations you use, what does this one mean?

LI is Love Interest - one of the women intended to be a possible end of game romantic partner

 

[flippityflop]

Aight folks,
My apologies for derailing the conversation. I was just hoping someone would shed some light on something I just found.

Like... what is this?
I've never seen this before.
Is this an unused image or is there a needlessly convoluted and intricate way you have to navigate the dialog for this to happen?

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

Aight folks,
My apologies for derailing the conversation. I was just hoping someone would shed some light on something I just found.
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Like... what is this?
I've never seen this before.
Is this an unused image or is there a needlessly convoluted and intricate way you have to navigate the dialog for this to happen?

have CHICK status when MC tells her he's going to college (don't draw on Steve's portrait maybe)

 

[mindern]

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She's been with Chad for at least 2 years (as shown in the chapter 5 flashback) and probably longer than that.

sassobello22 Love Interests, basically Bella, Jill, Josy, Maya and Sage.

and I’d be on board with that if there was literally any sign they were ever remotely happy. Even that flashback two years ago has him being cold.

I’m not disputing there’s a circumstance where this all makes sense. I’m pointing out that it’s such a significant plot point that 4/5 LI’s are in relationships we shouldn’t have to concoct theories why they’re still together.

there’s no evidence Chad is gay, no evidence they’re in a relationship of convenience just because they’re both presidents. We shouldn’t have to assume she’s stuck in a relationship due to X or Y character flaw. We should be told with the story.

I’m not saying her being with him is a plot hole I’m saying the story shouldn’t rely on conjecture why they’re together. Now the story isn’t over, if a reason is revealed I’ll welcome it and change my tune but currently a plot element that relies on blind conjecture isn’t a good plot element.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Mona is one of my favorites:

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I feel like there's a joke here about Mona "sleeping with the fishes", but I will refrain in case some people get upset.

 

[Conklingc]

I feel like there's a joke here about Mona "sleeping with the fishes", but I will refrain in case some people get upset.

I certainly wouldn't want her written out of the game, but she is officially a side-chick and not a love interest.

 

[sassobello22]

LI is Love Interest - one of the women intended to be a possible end of game romantic partner

@sassobello22 Love Interests, basically Bella, Jill, Josy, Maya and Sage.

Ok thank you