VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[shazba]

I think evil is a bit too strong a word to be used here to begin with. But whatever.

Your DA argument is based on Daddio's intent. Thats irrelevant. Even if he believes he's doing it for Maya's benefit, to save her eternal soul, he's still dirtying his hands. He's tricked her with the student loan and is threatening to fuck up her entire future with debt over it. Its his actions that are evil, and thats what makes him a piece of shit.

The logic you're using in this post is the same justification those insane religious nutjob parents who kill their kids to save their souls use.

The father is an individual and thus he can freely decide about his thoughts and actions.

Personally, I do not like religion very much. In the name of religion, many atrocities have been committed in the history of mankind and religion has set back the scientific development of mankind by centuries. I believe in God. But the Holy Books were written by people. The holy places were built by people. No human being knows what God expects or does not expect, and I refuse to believe that God wants people to hurt, oppress and humiliate each other.

To get back to the subject, yes Maya's father can be very religious (ethics) for all I care. But does it give him the right to force his beliefs (morals) on Maya?
Since his moral compass is determined by his beliefs, the father thinks he is in the right. But Maya has a different ethical philosophy, which is not in accordance with his morals, and thus the conflict arises. Maya's rights to live as an independent individual are restricted by the father and that is injustice. In Germany, this is even laid down by law.

In principle, in this question DPC plays with our moral and ethical values. And on the basis of this debate in the thread, you can see what moral and ethical convictions some participants in the discussion have. But I will not convict anyone here because of that.

As an interesting parallel to this current discussion:

A girl I dated ages ago was dating a guy (prior to me) who her parents seriously didn't approve of. They threatened to disown her if she kept going with him. She ignored them, they got very upset, she left home, and eventually she discovered he was already engaged to another girl and was just messing with her.

She was very hurt, ended up going back to her parents and they took her in, no questions asked. And at no point did they actually disown her.

So they were right, this guy was a piece of garbage, but she wouldn't listen (young girls "in love" can be pretty brainless) and they didn't want her to get hurt so they made big threats (and that's all they were, threats) to try and protect her.

In the end she survived it all, the lousy boyfriend, the controlling parents, and once it was all over she saw their point.

Now were her parents overreacting, I mean she survived it and maybe learned a valuable lesson. But she could have been spared all that heartache if she listened to her parents. But how can a parent watch their child totally fuck up and just sit by the sidelines?

Just to make sure there's no confusion here, I was not the garbage guy...

 

[dalli_x]

I would love to give out multiple likes, but I have reached my limit.

 

[dalli_x]

As an interesting parallel to this current discussion:

A girl I dated ages ago was dating a guy (prior to me) who her parents seriously didn't approve of. They threatened to disown her if she kept going with him. She ignored them, they got very upset, she left home, and eventually she discovered he was already engaged to another girl and was just messing with her.

She was very hurt, ended up going back to her parents and they took her in, no questions asked. And at no point did they actually disown her.

So they were right, this guy was a piece of garbage, but she wouldn't listen (young girls "in love" can be pretty brainless) and they didn't want her to get hurt so they made big threats (and that's all they were, threats) to try and protect her.

In the end she survived it all, the lousy boyfriend, the controlling parents, and once it was all over she saw their point.

Now were her parents overreacting, I mean she survived it and maybe learned a valuable lesson. But she could have been spared all that heartache if she listened to her parents. But how can a parent watch their child totally fuck up and just sit by the sidelines?

Just to make sure there's no confusion here, I was not the garbage guy...

I understand what you are trying to tell us.

Logically, parents have greater life experience than their children. But parents should understand and accept that children have a right to make mistakes. Because only from mistakes you learn.

I told my parents this to their face and they accepted it. And I have made more than one mistake in my life. Even after 15 years, my parents still tell me that they are proud of me.

 

[Jill_Royce]

I commend this. I am not religious at all, and in fact in my youth I rebelled very hard, as my family is a family of preachers. They wanted me to follow that path, I chose science, and some of my family still do not speak to me. As far as I am concerned, everyone, EVERYONE, is free to be religious or not. That does not give them the right to push their belief on others. For that reason, I do not approve of Maya's father at all. I support Maya. As she is not my favorite girl, I will not spend weeks debating those who may differ on this, but I will say that I intend to try a Maya and Josy thruple if at all possible, and a Maya solo and Josy solo if those are possible. This will be long after I do my chose and preferred girl, which is Bella all the way. I will also see if I can thruple her with Jill.

Anyhow I enjoyed your post.
Peace

I am not a religious women personally but yeah I have a little faith in it. But a choosing our life partner is beyond religion and it decides our life. Religion doesn't decide our life. It is just a code that we can are cannot follow. But what Maya's dad is doing is just cruel. Of course Maya is not my girl of first preference but yeah I feel for her.

 

[Jill_Royce]

As an interesting parallel to this current discussion:

A girl I dated ages ago was dating a guy (prior to me) who her parents seriously didn't approve of. They threatened to disown her if she kept going with him. She ignored them, they got very upset, she left home, and eventually she discovered he was already engaged to another girl and was just messing with her.

She was very hurt, ended up going back to her parents and they took her in, no questions asked. And at no point did they actually disown her.

So they were right, this guy was a piece of garbage, but she wouldn't listen (young girls "in love" can be pretty brainless) and they didn't want her to get hurt so they made big threats (and that's all they were, threats) to try and protect her.

In the end she survived it all, the lousy boyfriend, the controlling parents, and once it was all over she saw their point.

Now were her parents overreacting, I mean she survived it and maybe learned a valuable lesson. But she could have been spared all that heartache if she listened to her parents. But how can a parent watch their child totally fuck up and just sit by the sidelines?

Just to make sure there's no confusion here, I was not the garbage guy...

Yeah, in that case her parents were right. But here we know that Josy is not cunning like him and her father is just messing with her to keep up his religious shit

 

[Deleted member 2528490]

As an interesting parallel to this current discussion:

A girl I dated ages ago was dating a guy (prior to me) who her parents seriously didn't approve of. They threatened to disown her if she kept going with him. She ignored them, they got very upset, she left home, and eventually she discovered he was already engaged to another girl and was just messing with her.

She was very hurt, ended up going back to her parents and they took her in, no questions asked. And at no point did they actually disown her.

So they were right, this guy was a piece of garbage, but she wouldn't listen (young girls "in love" can be pretty brainless) and they didn't want her to get hurt so they made big threats (and that's all they were, threats) to try and protect her.

In the end she survived it all, the lousy boyfriend, the controlling parents, and once it was all over she saw their point.

Now were her parents overreacting, I mean she survived it and maybe learned a valuable lesson. But she could have been spared all that heartache if she listened to her parents. But how can a parent watch their child totally fuck up and just sit by the sidelines?

Just to make sure there's no confusion here, I was not the garbage guy...

This approach does have merit. And I would say the difference with Maya's situation is that Daddio isn't saying “Josy is wrong for you”, but instead “deny your sexuality”. Its not Josy he has an issue with, but Maya being with any girl. Its beyond “preventing a child from fucking up”, and more “don't be a filthy heathen”.

 

[D2M3]

college theme , sci fi etc. are common themes

Ancient war theme VN needed

PS - no D&G type shit please

I need a proper superhero drama adult VN. In the vein of this game, with heavy emphasis on story arcs and strong 3 dimensional characters.
Superhero tropes are laden with soap opera elements, the market is completely open in that regard.

Think Invincible, but with a lot more lewd and a little more drama.

 

[shazba]

I understand what you are trying to tell us.

Logically, parents have greater life experience than their children. But parents should understand and accept that children have a right to make mistakes. Because only from mistakes you learn.

I told my parents this to their face and they accepted it. And I have made more than one mistake in my life. Even after 15 years, my parents still tell me that they are proud of me.

But what if that mistake will lead to death, or something worse?

One of my cousins (she was 17 or 18 at the time) had this great opportunity to travel overseas with this group of girls for some sort of modelling deal, but her mom wouldn't let her go because the mom thought it sounded like a scam.

My cousin was really pissed off, and in the end my aunt called the police and told them about the whole deal.

It turned out it really was a scam, and the woman who was organizing it all would likely have sold them into prostitution (the trip was to somewhere in Asia, not sure exactly).

There's no question that the mom did the right thing. She used her judgement and stopped her daughter from unquestionably fucking up her entire life.

And so back to Maya's dad's intentions. If you knew there was a Hell (like these religious people "know" there is), and your child was going there because of something they were doing, would you let them go to Hell?

Of course rational people will argue, how can you be so sure there's a hell? How can you be sure any of your religious beliefs are true, meaning so many millions and millions of other contradicting beliefs that other people hold are false? But these people who believe this stuff believe it with all of their existence. It must kill them inside to believe a loved one is going to hell...

Anyway, getting a little too intense... So, Sage's or Jill's tits. Wasn't there a discussion as to whose were the biggest? Any analysis on that yet?

 

[felicemastronzo]

This approach does have merit. And I would say the difference with Maya's situation is that Daddio isn't saying “Josy is wrong for you”, but instead “deny your sexuality”. Its not Josy he has an issue with, but Maya being with any girl. Its beyond “preventing a child from fucking up”, and more “don't be a filthy heathen”.

The ultimatum is about Josy, not about Maya's sexuality. Then of course Maya's father has another goal, but in fact he wants Josy out of his daughter's life.

in the same way that parents (even those in shazba 's story) might say that a boy is wrong for their daughter, because he is different.

 

[D2M3]

Looks like a early-mid April release. I guess the release date will coincide with the last wallpaper.

Gives me time to finish Destiny 2 Season of the Chosen content and play some Outriders when it first launches, cool.

 

[D2M3]

But what if that mistake will lead to death, or something worse?

One of my cousins (she was 17 or 18 at the time) had this great opportunity to travel overseas with this group of girls for some sort of modelling deal, but her mom wouldn't let her go because the mom thought it sounded like a scam.

My cousin was really pissed off, and in the end my aunt called the police and told them about the whole deal.

It turned out it really was a scam, and the woman who was organizing it all would likely have sold them into prostitution (the trip was to somewhere in Asia, not sure exactly).

There's no question that the mom did the right thing. She used her judgement and stopped her daughter from unquestionably fucking up her entire life.

And so back to Maya's dad's intentions. If you knew there was a Hell (like these religious people "know" there is), and your child was going there because of something they were doing, would you let them go to Hell?

Of course rational people will argue, how can you be so sure there's a hell? How can you be sure any of your religious beliefs are true, meaning so many millions and millions of other contradicting beliefs that other people hold are false? But these people who believe this stuff believe it with all of their existence. It must kill them inside to believe a loved one is going to hell...

Anyway, getting a little too intense... So, Sage's or Jill's tits. Wasn't there a discussion as to whose were the biggest? Any analysis on that yet?

Like any rational person knows, you do not argue logic against religious people. You argue religion.

All 3 of the abrahamic religions make one point clear. DAMN well clear. God gave free will to humans, and even God cannot interfere with that after their creation. No buts, no ifs. In fact, why all big 3 recognizes magic being real and completely outlaw the use of it ( as stupid as it sounds) is that it actually might interfere with free will.

So, any conversion-therapy-advocate Christian, any stone-the-gay Muslim or any excommunicate-the-trans Jew will be committing the highest of all crimes in all those religions, aka. idolatry, called şirk in arabic. It's the act of putting oneself on the same level as God, or acting as if you know the intent of God.

Entire Roman Catholic Church, thousand year of Muslim caliphates and entire congregations of Jewish faith are extremely guilty of this. And in fact, all 3 try to hide the fact that they commit mass idolatry on a daily basis.

So, no, Maya's dad isn't being a good dad. He's going against the tenets of his own faith.

Side note: If you want to defend LGBT+ people against religious zealots, use their own religion against them. 99.99% of them never even read their own holy books.

 

[shazba]

The ultimatum is about Josy, not about Maya's sexuality.

But that's actually true to the Catholic beliefs: It's OK to be gay, just don't have gay sex. There is a distinction... Gay sex is a "sin". But so is sex outside marriage (oh mc, you are so burning in the pits of Hell).

But here is the nail in which to hammer into Maya's dad's coffin:

Maya: "But he believes that rejection is the key to success."​

Maya: "He read it in a book..."​

Maya: "Which is funny... Because I never saw him read anything besides comic books or dad's secret magazines."​

You what?! Maya's dad has a subscription to Hustler!? Oh the hypocrisy! We're done here, he has no moral legs left to stand on!

PS. "dad's secret..." the "dad" should start with a capital 'D', sorry DPC, I can't tolerate that shit, it's fire and brimstone for you!

 

[Kellermann]

Anyway, getting a little too intense...

This photo always helps to cleanse the palate after reading several pages of religion debates...

 

[shazba]

This photo always helps to cleanse the palate after reading several pages of religion debates...

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Just like some ginger... palate cleansed...

 

[D2M3]

Well that's how literature works, sometimes. We never get the Sauron side of the story, and we re mostly fine with that. It seems you like to praise the "bad guys" of every story "kingodxerxes". Is not a problem, but sometimes is just hard to separete that of people who actually believe that, for example,religious fanatism is ok.
You were right about Maya being boring. Quinn is fun as hell.

I may need and even like when someone complex like Thanos gets a good backstory treatment. Enriches the story.
I do not need to know how Sauron got to that point to know he's damn well evil. ( Ironically, I know how, I read Silmarillion)

In the same way, none of us here enlightened people should need to know how a father gets to the point of entirely obliterating his own daughter's future and her psyche just to satisfy his own perverted sense of religion to know he's damn well bad f...g news.

 

[Kellermann]

Just like some ginger... palate cleansed...

I'm on a Josy kick at the moment, but Sage will always be my number 1.

 

[D2M3]

How many of you tri betas turned her down

Turning her down while you are trying to reconcile the turmoil and drama surrounding her and Maya is the ultimate alpha move. You assert your principle and don't let her manipulate you.

Whereas caving in and making out with her at that party just makes you a simp, worse, simp without principles.

 

[Warscared]

Like any rational person knows, you do not argue logic against religious people. You argue religio n.

All 3 of the abrahamic religions make one point clear. DAMN well clear. God gave free will to humans, and even God cannot interfere with that after their creation. No buts, no ifs. In fact, why all big 3 recognizes magic being real and completely outlaw the use of it ( as stupid as it sounds) is that it actually might interfere with free will.

So, any conversion-therapy-advocate Christian, any stone-the-gay Muslim or any excommunicate-the-trans Jew will be committing the highest of all crimes in all those religions, aka. idolatry, called şirk in arabic. It's the act of putting oneself on the same level as God, or acting as if you know the intent of God.

Entire Roman Catholic Church, thousand year of Muslim caliphates and entire congregations of Jewish faith are extremely guilty of this. And in fact, all 3 try to hide the fact that they commit mass idolatry on a daily basis.

So, no, Maya's dad isn't being a good dad. He's going against the tenets of his own faith.

Side note: If you want to defend LGBT+ people against religious zealots, use their own religion against them. 99.99% of them never even read their own holy books.

on this i must agree with you! i read them all and most have not and yet they are in the right...
the same can be said about communists!
but no, logic always works and the logic principle is find the exception so you can get closer to the truth!

Maya: "But he believes that rejection is the key to success."
Maya: "He read it in a book..."
Maya: "Which is funny... Because I never saw him read anything besides comic books or dad's secret magazines."

or in some cases here Daddy`s secret game stash that he illegally downloaded out of f95 because he is afraid it might show up on the credit card extract and get into problems with mommy?

Anyway Jill vs Sage, Sage wins for sure she as the bigger and better tits! although i am an assman so that counts for what it is and not for my own preferences!

As Dalli_X pointed out we must learn from our mistakes and no parent will ever replace personal experience!

and if as some people believe the father is incurring onto her daughters freedom he is in the wrong! but that is still very circumstantial at this moment, probable but not certain. and until that time comes the father is innocent of the accusations!

Also a nice point i had missed is her father saying not with Josy instead of not with Women so either the father as something against Josy or Josy kind of girls or he expressed himself wrongly! unless he expressed himself accurately!

if my theory that Tommy is behind Maya`s father discovering is correct then Josy is the problem and not she liking women! I mean her father as known her for 18 years what if Maya as never had a gay vibe and its only with Josy that she gets turned on? but until Josy all her attentions and interests where with boys? this is a crazy theory but women being more gender fluid then men ... i mean Maya wants someone to love her and until now only Josy as been there for her with the right actions and moves, all boys have been clumsy and/or over aggressive, so she confuses her attraction to people she can trust and count on as being a sexual preference for girls, since she as only found that in girls so far!

 

[Deleted member 2528490]

The ultimatum is about Josy, not about Maya's sexuality. Then of course Maya's father has another goal, but in fact he wants Josy out of his daughter's life.

???
The ultimatum is about Josy BECAUSE its about Maya's sexuality. He wants Josy out of Maya's life BECUASE its about Maya being homosexual. The only reason Josy is part of the ultimatum is because thats who Maya is seeing right now. If it was any other girl, then that girl would be used instead.

Remember Maya's words after the cumpetition
"Maya, why are you like this"
"Maya, why do you feel like that"
"Maya, why can't you be fucking normal"
"Maya, you're not the daughter I wanted"
None of those make sense if its just about Josy. Plus, the whole Christian values angle. Again, thats a pointless reference if the problem is Josy and not homosexuality. And Maya explicitly says he can't stand his daughter his gay in ep6.

 

[SaintYoungMan]

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