VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[walker188]

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And the picnic? She didn’t dump the mc because he turned down her picnic. Turning down her picnic meant a series of events that would have further deepen their relationship did not take place. That’s not the same thing as "You chose Sage over me, you’re dumped!"

And if Jill didn’t feel the relationship was right for her, totally legit for her to break it off.

My biggest gripe with her is that when she does break it off with the mc, she does it publicly in a restaurant. Tybalt deserved it, and if the mc had been fucking other girls left and right, then he also deserved it, but the loyal, blue-balled mc, he didn’t deserve that. A more private breakup would have been better, like when the mc dumps her on the "dumping bench" (not to be confused with all the other benches in the game).

Still, none of that makes her "VERY bad".
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I respectfully disagree. The restaurant is bad enough. Actually its awful. She's awful.

But Fuckface literally TOLD her Jill had to take care of a friend today, when she SURPRISED him with a last minute picnic. If i want to take someone on a secret adventure, and I don't tell them to keep a timeslot open, have zero right to be offended when they can't do it. This is Jill's fault, but she (and the game) treat it as if Fuckface did something wrong.

So with that in mind, Jill is either stupid, or awful. Either she can't get her shit together enough to send a text saying, 'hey, keep your afternoon free', or she's petty enough that she blames her own fuck up on someone who is an objectively 'better' person than her.

The most important quality in any relationship is 'is this person a good friend?'. Are they there for the people they care about? Can they put their own needs second and seek the other person's happiness?

Does Jill not recognize this? Does she not care? Again, if its the former, she's an idiot (partially excused by the fact that she's an adult virgin, but still). If it's the latter, she's the kind of person who's morality is 100% centered around themselves, ie. things are 'right' and 'wrong' based on how they effect ME.

So yeah. Jill is stupid or she's awful, or she's both.

 

[Roundell]

I respectfully disagree. The restaurant is bad enough. Actually its awful. She's awful.

But Fuckface literally TOLD her Jill had to take care of a friend today, when she SURPRISED him with a last minute picnic. If i want to take someone on a secret adventure, and I don't tell them to keep a timeslot open, have zero right to be offended when they can't do it. This is Jill's fault, but she (and the game) treat it as if Fuckface did something wrong.

So with that in mind, Jill is either stupid, or awful. Either she can't get her shit together enough to send a text saying, 'hey, keep your afternoon free', or she's petty enough that she blames her own fuck up on someone who is an objectively 'better' person than her.

The most important quality in any relationship is 'is this person a good friend?'. Are they there for the people they care about? Can they put their own needs second and seek the other person's happiness?

Does Jill not recognize this? Does she not care? Again, if its the former, she's an idiot (partially excused by the fact that she's an adult virgin, but still). If it's the latter, she's the kind of person who's morality is 100% centered around themselves, ie. things are 'right' and 'wrong' based on how they effect ME.

So yeah. Jill is stupid or she's awful, or she's both.

Or maybe DPC wanted to force the player at this point of the game to choose between Jill and Sage, and for some reason didn't come with a better solution. It's not that Jill is a bad character. It's a bad game mechanic in this particular case. But you can solve it with Scrappy's mod and go with Jill and then with Sage.

 

[walker188]

I don't get the infatuation with Bianca.

KRJ I get, she's super quirky and appeals to the inner nerd in all of us.

Sally I get, she has a huge personality, and the fact that she loathes the mc only makes a potential hook-up all the more sweet.

Heather I get, she's a bitch, she's Tommy's girl, and she has huge jugs.

Lynette I get, motherfuckers need their fix.

But I don't get Bianca.

To have even met Bianca, the mc has to be seriously dedicated to Jill; he even has to abandon Sage on her deathbed. And then you meet Jill's friends, and one of them is this boring redhead. And suddenly everyone is like, "MUST FUCK, MUST FUCK NOW!"

I don't get it.

Then Zoey comes along, she's basically angled to land straight in the mc's lap, and everyone's like, "FUCK OFF YOU BLUE HAIRED CUNT! WE JUST COMMITED OUTSELVES TO SOMEONE ELSE! JUST FUCK OFF AND DIE!!"

I don't get it.

Is it that people like the idea of hurting Jill? Or is there something about Bianca that turns people on?

On a side note, there are around 30 female characters that the mc has no sexual association with. That's more than 50% of the girls! Some of them are dead, so that's gonna make it hard, and some he hasn't even met, but I wonder which of them may get their moment with the mc in the future episodes.

Spoiler: Girls the mc is yet to make a move on:

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Can I GUSH about Sally for a bit? I'm team KRJ to the end (I might even be willing to cheat on my sacred LI on a main save even), but ever since I saw those renders of Sally as our secretary I've been straight up addicted to that skinny little bitch. BUT Sally keeps delivering the heat. She has the absolute hottest teasing I've ever fucking seen. Yes, it is because she is the only one who makes me work for it. Yes, our personalities would clash both in the game and in real life. Yes, taking her from Magnar would be like lighting my own house on fire just to warm up a bit, but god DAMN, that look she gives you when you piss her off! She squeezes her eyes shut and purses her mouth just right. I have to have her.

You know she wants it. No one works this hard at hating someone, unless they secretly like them. I can only hope that when we start lighting matches together, she keeps giving me shit and slapping me.

Holy shit I am into that now.

 

[shazba]

I respectfully disagree. The restaurant is bad enough. Actually its awful. She's awful.

But Fuckface literally TOLD her Jill had to take care of a friend today, when she SURPRISED him with a last minute picnic. If i want to take someone on a secret adventure, and I don't tell them to keep a timeslot open, have zero right to be offended when they can't do it. This is Jill's fault, but she (and the game) treat it as if Fuckface did something wrong.

So with that in mind, Jill is either stupid, or awful. Either she can't get her shit together enough to send a text saying, 'hey, keep your afternoon free', or she's petty enough that she blames her own fuck up on someone who is an objectively 'better' person than her.

The most important quality in any relationship is 'is this person a good friend?'. Are they there for the people they care about? Can they put their own needs second and seek the other person's happiness?

Does Jill not recognize this? Does she not care? Again, if its the former, she's an idiot (partially excused by the fact that she's an adult virgin, but still). If it's the latter, she's the kind of person who's morality is 100% centered around themselves, ie. things are 'right' and 'wrong' based on how they effect ME.

So yeah. Jill is stupid or she's awful, or she's both.

Jill is stupid, that's been long established.

But you're hung up on cause and effect: The mc didn't go on the picnic, so she dumps him. That's a skewed version of events.

The mc didn't go on the picnic, so she never got to privately tell him about the Tybalt shit, and the mc never got to tell her he was falling for her and that he wouldn't let that shit stop them (he literally told her he was falling for her, that's a big deal for her), and they never got to make out in the rain. Don't underestimate the power of making out with a girl in the rain!

Whether Jill was cool with you helping out another sick girl or not doesn't factor into the events that did or didn't follow.

So yeah, if you click "Tell Jill to take her picnic and go fuck herself" it does lead to the end of their relationship. But Jill does not dump the mc because he helped a sick friend. That's consequential. It's everything else that didn't happen that matters.

There's a story between button clicks. Shit just got more real if you go on the picnic.

 

[JavCh]

I don't remember MC not going on a date as something that made her mad itself, if I'm not wrong, Jill thoughts when he says it are sort of "maybe it's a signal that this is not meant to be". It's an idiotic way of thought of course, but that's all Jill is about, that's the reason she is still a virgin, that's the reason she writes "Are you my destiny?" down MC photo, and everytime we talk to her she is all about destiny, and idealistic things exists because I've seen them in movies...

Yet, being an idiotic way of thought, it doesn't mean she's mad at MC or thinks he's bad for taking care of Sage, just that her irrational way of thought makes her think he is not "the one" because when she has set everything for a perfect date to tell him something very important, destiny (not MC) wasn't in line with her.

She just discovers that's not the movie she wants for her life.

I have no idea how that scene in the restaurant plays, but it would be the only case there is where she actually is mean with no reason to MC (and being something that happens inmediately after she was already mad for Tybault well, it's probably more related to that than anything, you just came in the worst possible moment).

Also, consider this, she still dates Tybault 3 times after you don't go on that picnic with her even when she has no that romantic interest in MC, just to avoid MC having legal problems. That's some huge friendship deal:

Tybault, 3 dates.

If she was really mad for going to help Sage and wanted some sort of wrong for you she wouldn't do that. She would probably donate you her kidney before dating Tybault 3 times.

And also what shazba said in the inmediate post before mine, it's not the choice only, but the unexpected consequences of that choice. That picnic meant much more than anything that happened before them that, truth to be told, wasn't such a big deal.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Can I GUSH about Sally for a bit? I'm team KRJ to the end (I might even be willing to cheat on my sacred LI on a main save even), but ever since I saw those renders of Sally as our secretary I've been straight up addicted to that skinny little bitch. BUT Sally keeps delivering the heat. She has the absolute hottest teasing I've ever fucking seen. Yes, it is because she is the only one who makes me work for it. Yes, our personalities would clash both in the game and in real life. Yes, taking her from Magnar would be like lighting my own house on fire just to warm up a bit, but god DAMN, that look she gives you when you piss her off! She squeezes her eyes shut and purses her mouth just right. I have to have her.

You know she wants it. No one works this hard at hating someone, unless they secretly like them. I can only hope that when we start lighting matches together, she keeps giving me shit and slapping me.

Holy shit I am into that now.

 

[wakkawalla]

i'd like to fight jill in brawler and in real life too. game needs a retard tag.

Are you my destiny?

retarded. and a polaroid? hipster. i would annihilate jill. i would elbow drop her fat head into realignment.

 

[walker188]

Or maybe DPC wanted to force the player at this point of the game to choose between Jill and Sage, and for some reason didn't come with a better solution. It's not that Jill is a bad character. It's a bad game mechanic in this particular case. But you can solve it with Scrappy's mod and go with Jill and then with Sage.

This is the true answer. But DPC wrote the story he wrote. When George Lucas wrote Star Wars, Han Solo was a bit part. But he ended up needing the character more and more, so the part kept filling out. Also, he had his friend Ford filling in, who basically defined the character. Then you had the pivotal scene where he wastes Greedo, by shooting first. Supposedly it was a technical limitation at the time and GL was never happy with it. But it defined the character. And that's my point. Sometimes the needs of the story make a character better (Han Shot first!), sometimes the needs of the story make a character worse. It's art. That's how art is.

 

[walker188]

Jill is stupid, that's been long established.

But you're hung up on cause and effect: The mc didn't go on the picnic, so she dumps him. That's a skewed version of events.

The mc didn't go on the picnic, so she never got to privately tell him about the Tybalt shit, and the mc never got to tell her he was falling for her and that he wouldn't let that shit stop them (he literally told her he was falling for her, that's a big deal for her), and they never got to make out in the rain. Don't underestimate the power of making out with a girl in the rain!

Whether Jill was cool with you helping out another sick girl or not doesn't factor into the events that did or didn't follow.

So yeah, if you click "Tell Jill to take her picnic and go fuck herself" it does lead to the end of their relationship. But Jill does not dump the mc because he helped a sick friend. That's consequential. It's everything else that didn't happen that matters.

There's a story between button clicks. Shit just got more real if you go on the picnic.

Respectfully (truly, I'm enjoying the back and forth), that's meta and I personally discount it. All realities aren't happening simultaneously, each branch is its own separate truth. Nevertheless, it's not for me to say what other's feel about a character. My words are my own and my opinions as well. If other's want to like Jill, that's their prerogative. Leaves more Sally and KRJ for me.

 

[The Glorious LIME]

i'd like to fight jill in brawler and in real life too. game needs a retard tag.

retarded. and a polaroid? hipster. i would annihilate jill. i would elbow drop her fat head into realignment.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Jill is stupid, that's been long established.

But you're hung up on cause and effect: The mc didn't go on the picnic, so she dumps him. That's a skewed version of events.

The mc didn't go on the picnic, so she never got to privately tell him about the Tybalt shit, and the mc never got to tell her he was falling for her and that he wouldn't let that shit stop them (he literally told her he was falling for her, that's a big deal for her), and they never got to make out in the rain. Don't underestimate the power of making out with a girl in the rain!

Whether Jill was cool with you helping out another sick girl or not doesn't factor into the events that did or didn't follow.

So yeah, if you click "Tell Jill to take her picnic and go fuck herself" it does lead to the end of their relationship. But Jill does not dump the mc because he helped a sick friend. That's consequential. It's everything else that didn't happen that matters.

There's a story between button clicks. Shit just got more real if you go on the picnic.

an unbalanced person to be avoided (great job chapter six)

Fortunately, however, she still finds the strength to bust our balls if we go with Bella (because a date with her will brand you like cattle).

 

[YeOldeWanker]

It's all about the chase. We never got to chase Zoey, whereas Bianca is fresh meat.

True that, and it's also how she contrasts Jill. A lot of players will feel somewhat deprived of lust on Jill's route, and then lip- biting, redhead, dump truck ass, aggressive Bianca shows up and shakes her everything at the player. Without Jill, Bianca would be less popular.

 

[felicemastronzo]

True that, and it's also how she contrasts Jill. A lot of players will feel somewhat deprived of lust on Jill's route, and then lip- biting, redhead, dump truck ass, aggressive Bianca shows up and shakes her everything at the player. Without Jill, Bianca would be less popular.

Bianca would be on the sidelines holding jackets with Becky if it were not for Jill

 

[SolarWindCatcher]

I knew from 'Acting lessons' that DPC likes to create drama, so I was sure that if I choose some girl to date (Sage, Maya/Josy,..) this will end poorly for me. So I decided to act as any normal young MC in college, i.e. try to fuck every hot girl around me ('Others' choice) My fears were confirmed with Interlude episode and EP 9 when Zoey joined the scene and began to fuck MC's brain and feelings (but not his dick). So my previous choice of fucking any hot girl I met and date noone was looking good as never before Was thinking about Lily offer to roll together, but even Lily began to talk 'woman talk' (i.e. fuck MC's brains) after threesome with Nicole and MC: "Don't fall in love with me, MC" which basicly translates to quite the opposite Probably will have to choose "Others" from "Others" to just have fun without any obligations

 

[wakkawalla]

jill's eyes are so far apart i'd get a double kill from a headshot. i am the alpha and the omega. this game lacks choice. jill makes maya fans look normal.

 

[DanMotta]

It explains why every single character of the game can actually deepthroat him

and why Jill can't give him a blowjob lol

 

[The Glorious LIME]

I knew from 'Acting lessons' that DPC likes to create drama, so I was sure that if I choose some girl to date (Sage, Maya/Josy,..) this will end poorly for me. So I decided to act as any normal young MC in college, i.e. try to fuck every hot girl around me ('Others' choice) My fears were confirmed with Interlude episode and EP 9 when Zoey joined the scene and began to fuck MC's brain and feelings (but not his dick). So my previous choice of fucking any hot girl I met and date noone was looking good as never before Was thinking about Lily offer to roll together, but even Lily began to talk 'woman talk' (i.e. fuck MC's brains) after threesome with Nicole and MC: "Don't fall in love with me, MC" which basicly translates to quite the opposite Probably will have to choose "Others" from "Others" to just have fun without any obligations

Just skip all the female drama and dick yourself some Derek

jill's eyes are so far apart i'd get a double kill from a headshot. i am the alpha and the omega. this game lacks choice. jill makes maya fans look normal.

You are my favourite addition to today's convo, literally making my day with every post. DPC's Discord would love you.

 

[DanMotta]

I knew from 'Acting lessons' that DPC likes to create drama, so I was sure that if I choose some girl to date (Sage, Maya/Josy,..) this will end poorly for me. So I decided to act as any normal young MC in college, i.e. try to fuck every hot girl around me ('Others' choice) My fears were confirmed with Interlude episode and EP 9 when Zoey joined the scene and began to fuck MC's brain and feelings (but not his dick). So my previous choice of fucking any hot girl I met and date noone was looking good as never before Was thinking about Lily offer to roll together, but even Lily began to talk 'woman talk' (i.e. fuck MC's brains) after threesome with Nicole and MC: "Don't fall in love with me, MC" which basicly translates to quite the opposite Probably will have to choose "Others" from "Others" to just have fun without any obligations

You can't expect women to be drama free, unless it is a sexdoll.

 

[Jericho85]

jill's eyes are so far apart i'd get a double kill from a headshot. i am the alpha and the omega. this game lacks choice. jill makes maya fans look normal.

I feel like you're trying to trigger Jill stans like me...

and I'm mad at how effective it is...

 

[The Glorious LIME]

I feel like you're trying to trigger Jill stans like me...

and I'm mad at how effective it is...

Stay strong potassium enjoyer, don't let him hurt your peelings.