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dwalsh

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I think repetition and grind are gameplay devices to create the illusion of agency - ie. at the end of the process, the payoff happens because of your own merit rather than it being predetermined or kinetic, which greatly increases the mental payoff for the player.
But IMO repetition don't necessarily have to affect story telling. The story basically pauses for a period where you grind to be able to continue, so it's conceptually like time dilation.

Repetition and grind isn't necessarily bad. Besides agency, it also enables progression towards increasingly more lewd scenes which is incredibly effective (though usually executed unimaginatively and predictably - handjob -> blowjob -> titjob -> pussy -> ass -- but that can be fixed by engaging brain when writing/designing).

The only problem with grinding is the amounts of it. 98% of games get it wrong, for various reasons; incompetence, misguided attempts to extend total playtime, all the way to overt sadism and contempt for players (I've definitely seen it happen).
Fair points but I'll argue if your to focused on game mechanics you loose a lot of time on enjoying the story. On of the absolute best execution of sandbox/VN mechanics was done in DeLuca Family where there is a sandbox mode where you can free roam and complete Character building events then move to the VN mode to progress the storyline. Which BTW is incredibly well written. Coming back to BBAS, that's why I give him his props he's making a complicated sandbox game and still trying to keep a story going. I've seen a lot of sandbox games fall into just a hunt for lewd scenes that are completely incoherent.
 

summerjo

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Is 0.07.P2.05 the version posted here with the fixes?

if not I have seen it on other websites, but the download speeds are sloooooooooooooooooow. 10 hours.
 
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maxbishup

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Is 0.07.P2.05 the version posted here with the fixes?

if not I have seen it on other websites, but the download speeds are sloooooooooooooooooow. 10 hours.
If you only click on "latest bug fix", in the OP, you'll see we're at 0.07.P2.06.
 

shane420

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Maybe 17?

Doesn't really matter, since hardly any attempt gets anywhere. BBAS looks good however. Story is processing slower than in others, since Aleksey is putting a lot of work into adding variety for the daily scenes.


Hopefully not, that would bug some opportunities and then we would get people whining here because their savegames are broken and they can't get Alice to sleep naked (a Eric event is needed for that) and Lisa won't take her top off and Kira won't talk to you and ... and ... and ...

You can get rid of Eric quite easily at some point. But make sure that in the current version you first complete what's currently possible for the schoolmate opportunity. Because once he's gone, you can't proceed on that (will be fixed in the future) and therefore also the opportunities it is connected to.
Just play the game, complete opportunities, keep the girls happy. Once the requirements are met, he will accuse you of theft. From that point on it's almost too easy.
You know be even easier if there was a mod where I could slit his throat watch him choke on his blood as he accuses me of theft at night then bury him in the backyard and watch the spiders feast on his corpse. Fuck that guy.
 

Nemo56

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You know be even easier if there was a mod where I could slit his throat watch him choke on his blood as he accuses me of theft at night then bury him in the backyard and watch the spiders feast on his corpse. Fuck that guy.
We endure a lot to see the girls naked, don't we.
 
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Nemo56

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Even in so called sandbox games repetition isn't necessary, it just gives the illusion of doing something while waiting for the next update. Of course people also want some stuff to be repeatable, espesiclly the lewd stuff ('how can I unlock the gallery?'), but it's not a prequisite.

MotH started with stats first, then got completely changed to a pure event based game. Yes, there were progress stars, they inidicated how much many of the events you already had seen, and that unlocked certain actions or other events, so basically it was a 'relationship level'. But there was no stat grinding (except that you had to deliver pizza for money) and no decay.

House Party has stats, but those basically only mean that you can fuck up completely and block your way with a girl. All the content is implemented like in an adventure.

The first AIF games I played were actually text adventures, most of them without any game relevant stats (In 'Moist' you could get the girls horny so they would basically jump you or you could 'convince' them). Since there were no images to render, all development time went into story and lewd scenes descriptions.
Those games were much more daring than the modern visual novels, as writer you could get away with everything :)
Who hasn't played them yet and has a tiny rest of immagination left in his multimedia fileld brain should try them. But be aware, back then no one cared if there's NTR in the game or incest or whatever, no patreons who decided what the next updated was gonna be about. There was just the story. In one guy you play a female spy who uses both skills and body assets to get what she wants. In Sam Shooter the MC was the guy spreading his genes worldwide, but later in the series he got to share his sister with others on several occasions and at some point she would cause a distraction by banging a group of cops.
 
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Unidade01

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Alex had his shot with Lisa and was rejected. But sense he and Eric both have a little sugar in their gas tank, maybe they'll run away together. But seriously NTR is not a challenge, in fact just the opposite. Now the threat of NTR can be a challenge, but only if you are allowed to fight it.
We are on the same page there. What i feel is required after Eric is gone is a new hurdle to overcome, maybe forcing Max to get an actual job or something, instead of just staying at home being useless.

Imagine Lotr without Sauron and Orcs and the quest to Mordor, it would just be some guys drinking beer and strolling throught the fields. I don´t need something that epic, only something to make the final reward more sweet.
 

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We are on the same page there. What i feel is required after Eric is gone is a new hurdle to overcome, maybe forcing Max to get an actual job or something, instead of just staying at home being useless.
Apparantely that was Aleksey's plan from the beginning, even before BBAS was changed from a pure follow up to a remake.
The job was always present in the plans for the future.
 
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Kaiadas

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Tried to look for it. Can't find it.
It's a remake of the old BB-Renpy version.. it's pretty much the same except the inclusion of a mod that adds some nice Eric-Ann animations(sex lessons with Max).. other than that it's the original BB content..so far..
 

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Aleksey90 Apparently from patch notes " - Eric accuses Max of stealing (only when feuding); " is not entirely true unless there is a different path that happens when you are on the friendly/sneaky path in which Eric is suppose to accuse you of stealing his wallet with $25k in it.
 

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good or bad version ?
I played it for a bit now. It's more of a port + Eric extension and not a remake. They recycled the original pics and some fan art that was also used for the big BB mod.

There are improved hints in the guidance system. However, the controls are prehistoric, even worse than in the original. Also it is damn slow. After every click there is a pause, no idea why. It's good for a trip down memory lane, but I prefer BBAS by far. It has so much more variety and the progress feels more natural.

People who claim that BBAS was a 1:1 copy of BB should try that remake to see how wrong they are.
https://f95zone.to/threads/big-brother-renpy-remake-story-v0-1-fix-8-porngodnoob.108701/
 
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Nemo56

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Aleksey90 Apparently from patch notes " - Eric accuses Max of stealing (only when feuding); " is not entirely true unless there is a different path that happens when you are on the friendly/sneaky path in which Eric is suppose to accuse you of stealing his wallet with $25k in it.
On friendship path so far happens nothing. Friendship path progress was announced for the next update.
 
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