3.00 star(s) 96 Votes

khumak

Engaged Member
Oct 2, 2017
3,860
3,915
Yes, but it has no effect. It's not necessary to progress in any opportunity. You can decide not to do it and everything will play out exactly the same way. You can still kick Eric out, you can progress with Lisa, there will be no change.
So yes, it can be avoided.
Depends on your perspective I guess. They're on the couch making out at that time on certain nights and they're also in Mom's room doing even more. Presumably they would still be doing that whether you actually saw them or not. So IMO you're not really avoiding it, just sticking your head in the sand. It still happens either way.

If you're not home when someone robs your house, does that mean it didn't get robbed just because you didn't see it? Your stuff is still gone...
 

Nemo56

Forum Fanatic
Jan 7, 2018
5,399
4,410
Depends on your perspective I guess. They're on the couch making out at that time on certain nights and they're also in Mom's room doing even more. Presumably they would still be doing that whether you actually saw them or not. So IMO you're not really avoiding it, just sticking your head in the sand. It still happens either way.

If you're not home when someone robs your house, does that mean it didn't get robbed just because you didn't see it? Your stuff is still gone...
The question was not if it could be prevented that that other people have sex, but if NTR was avoidable. Sure, NTR means to lose a loved one (which Ann at this point isn't) to someone else, it means that the protagonist watches them and suffers. People usually ignore that point about the 'loved one'. But all interpretations of the term have in common that the protagonist actually has to catch the other couple. So if he doesn't, it's not ntr.
 

khumak

Engaged Member
Oct 2, 2017
3,860
3,915
The question was not if it could be prevented that that other people have sex, but if NTR was avoidable. Sure, NTR means to lose a loved one (which Ann at this point isn't) to someone else, it means that the protagonist watches them and suffers. People usually ignore that point about the 'loved one'. But all interpretations of the term have in common that the protagonist actually has to catch the other couple. So if he doesn't, it's not ntr.
If that's the case then I can see why there's so much arguing about NTR. That's a pretty meaningless distinction to most people I would think. The only way to avoid "catching them" is to intentionally avoid going there when they're doing it, which means you know it's happening or you wouldn't know to avoid it and you'd be bound to eventually stumble upon the scene at random.

That's like seeing your next door neighbor walk out the door of your house just as you get home from work and see your wife just stepping out of the shower as you walk in. You didn't actually catch them doing anything but you know damned well what happened. You could make sure to come home late every day to make sure he can give her a few extra pumps every day while you're at work without "catching them", but you know damned well what's going on even if you never see it actually happen.

That's the part that matters to most people I would think, but maybe I'm wrong.
 

Nemo56

Forum Fanatic
Jan 7, 2018
5,399
4,410
If that's the case then I can see why there's so much arguing about NTR. That's a pretty meaningless distinction to most people I would think.
Well, if someone asks about ntr, I answer about NTR and not about something he didn's ask for.
The definition of the term is given, you can ignore it if you want. But then you are also free to say that shoe laces count as bondage.

I admit, 'catching' was the wrong term, 'seeing' was the right one.

NTR means that the protagonist sees his loved one being taken by someone else.
There are 3 points that define it
1. It must be viaual. The protagonist must see, but many even count the display on screen without the protagonist present as ntr, even if that's not right. ntr has nothing to do with screens, it's a storytelling aspect.
2. The protagonist does not consent, so sharing and swinging don't count
3. The 'lost' person is someone the protagonist has a romantic relationship with. Unless they start such a relationship, the protagonists mom does not count.


But even if we ignore the whole debate about what's ntr and what's not ... from a gameplay perspective, these scenes can be avoided. QED.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Allen0206

Nemo56

Forum Fanatic
Jan 7, 2018
5,399
4,410
ohh thanks dude

through blackmailing?
The blackmailing is hinted, but doesn't actually happen.
At some point Eric will accuse you of theft. From then on it's easy.
If you got both photos of Eric jerking off to Alice, make sure she will sleep naked and you can frame him.
If you don't have them, you will need Lisa's help to get rid of him.
If you have both photos, all you need to do is to make sure that Alice sleeps naked. Use a spider to remind her of her promise if necessary.
I don't think you can actually mess this up, but if you are unsure, just load a savegame one or two days earlier and do what you need to do.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DrSpecial

DrSpecial

Member
Jan 15, 2019
162
262
Save girls from punishments. Frame them (alice with cigretes and Lisa with bad homework). When about to be punished, save them from spankings.
Also, don't get spanked by Ann in front of them
thanks and how to inc influence ann?
 

TomUK

Engaged Member
Sep 28, 2021
2,917
2,163
Save girls from punishments. Frame them (alice with cigretes and Lisa with bad homework). When about to be punished, save them from spankings.
Also, don't get spanked by Ann in front of them
Don't frame Lisa once you get her to go topless or she'll stop going topless for 2 weeks.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TheGrinReaper

Valoryn

Active Member
Jul 13, 2018
924
521
I think by cleaning pool , ordering groceries and asking for money (last one please confirm once )
asking for money will not increase influence but at some point in the game, a forced event will make you pay for the groceries yourself and you get no payment for cleaning the pool. Those will increase your influence over Ann substantially but will still not be high enough to topple Eric's influence over her.
 
3.00 star(s) 96 Votes