RPGM Completed Black Souls II [v1.3 Steam] [Eeny, meeny, miny, moe?]

[Crestrial]

Because the tea party took place in TCO's garden. The timeline of events that took place are RRH -> Tea Party (Here's when prayer master gets jealous of Grimm) -> BS1 -> BS2

Mary Sue takes authors like Lewis (as per flame memory dialogue), creates Grimm (as per Bks 2 Ending G dialogue), and gives Grimm off to TCO's garden? In addition, you actually can physically visit Wonderland (and a tea party table where you fight Bandersnatch) in Bks 1. Unless Grimm can travel between gardens in Bks 1, I don't see why Wonderland is accessible through Mary Sue's garden.

Moreover, I need concrete proof via the referencing of in-game material or interviews above all.

 

[Noah Neim]

elemental weaknesses dont really matter that much since you can just reinforce/slap all 4 resins and the game will automatically apply the best one for you.

though i do get that trial and error can be a frustrating thing at times (due to a lore thing), the game does scatter blood messages throughout the game to guide you throughout the game especially when it comes to clocktower bird and before every fog/major boss and maybe some instances when it tells you to guard against the orcs that chops your ankles.

Sure, but in this case in particular, there's like several different gimicks you have to deal with, which arent all accounted for

Mary Sue takes authors like Lewis (as per flame memory dialogue), creates Grimm (as per Bks 2 Ending G dialogue), and gives Grimm off to TCO's garden? In addition, you actually can physically visit Wonderland (and a tea party table where you fight Bandersnatch) in Bks 1. Unless Grimm can travel between gardens in Bks 1, I don't see why Wonderland is accessible through Mary Sue's garden.

Moreover, I need concrete proof via the referencing of in-game material or interviews above all.

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[Crestrial]

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I thought the same, since she makes no attempt to hide how possessive she is of him. Right now I'm trying to write something up based on referenced material, and Phenir has been in this thread discussing stuff like this for years now so I figured he'd be the guy to know for sure.

 

[DDDD6]

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[Omnom88]

I thought the same, since she makes no attempt to hide how possessive she is of him. Right now I'm trying to write something up based on referenced material, and Phenir has been in this thread discussing stuff like this for years now so I figured he'd be the guy to know for sure.

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[HeckBum69]

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[Omnom88]

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[Phenir]

Omnom basically said what I was going to but I want to further point out that any time an outer one starts disruptive shit, it's only when someone else asks or allows them to is a thing that happens multiple times and could possibly be pointed to as evidence that the original tea party was not Mary Sue's garden.

 

[Crestrial]

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Thanks! I didn't think of it so much as a plot hole but felt there was just something I'm missing. I don't quite understand why Mary would give Grimm to TCO, but perhaps as was suggested earlier, it wasn't really up for debate.

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Omnom basically said what I was going to but I want to further point out that any time an outer one starts disruptive shit, it's only when someone else asks or allows them to is a thing that happens multiple times and could possibly be pointed to as evidence that the original tea party was not Mary Sue's garden.

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[Noah Neim]

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[Crestrial]

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[feelmyraf]

There was some light mentioning of Red Hood having originally been a college student which could imply people are actually taken from reality, but I don't think it's anything set in stone.

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[Noah Neim]

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This can be seen from the Mental Ward bookcases

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[Omnom88]

I fucking knew i missed something from the blood statements, is there a specifc area that details this?

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Is that what it was? how the hell did leaf even do that, i atleast dont remember grim's infninite potential to be special, i'd honestly assume that outer gods could do the same thing, they just grow stagnant from their inaction

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Leaf really should've specced into power more, she wouldn't have a reason to be afraid of TCO
But i wonder why that'd be exclusive to her? I always assumed outers were comlpetely in control of their gardens since, it's their creation right?
So the notion of rewinding time in their own world shouldn't be far fetched.

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I'd assume so, at the very least for the sake of balance
The theme of outers and wishes intrigues me alot about their nature, given everything we know, they arent the kind of species to actually obey you, but it seems that the notion of 'prayer' and 'wish' can allow them to travel to different worlds, so i'd infer from this that outers HAVE to answer wishes and fulfill them by the natural laws of the universe, when their power is called upon, they can move, otherwise they're stagnant

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Shouldn't he technically be already? at the very least on the lower end of the outers
Their power structure is very severee, i doubt many could survive TCO even if it's a fragment
Mind you he has no feasible power, if we take the magic he has in bs1 and bs2 his variety is very limited, and he doesnt have the ability to create gardens or "stars" like hein said
At the bare minimum, grim should be a weaker outer one in terms of offense and defensse, while lacking any of the special abilities and the constitution (hearing wishes, being stagnant, having a black soul)

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I'm not sure what merit there actually is to reality being in a bad state. Mary Sue is restricted to copying and deviating from an original. Can't even be sure she actually stole souls rather than merely copied them from 'reality'. There was some light mentioning of Red Hood having originally been a college student which could imply people are actually taken from reality, but I don't think it's anything set in stone.

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That does make the tea party happening in TCO's garden more likely, even if I don't understand why Grimm/Lewis was in TCO's garden before Mary's. It fits the narrative better now at least.

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[Noah Neim]

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[Omnom88]

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[Shinkaishoujo]

damn the pastebin is really gone? the other guide is way too specific and micromanages you...

 

[Noah Neim]

damn the pastebin is really gone? the other guide is way too specific and micromanages you...

Don't use it, play the game how you want and maybe use the guide when you want to find something

 

[Lewd Rider Ero]

Hi, perhaps this is dumb, I'm coming back to the game after a long while, but how do I access the third DLC? The Crown of the Lion and Unicorn?

 

[Omnom88]

Hi, perhaps this is dumb, I'm coming back to the game after a long while, but how do I access the third DLC? The Crown of the Lion and Unicorn?

To enter DLC3 content you need to get G end once & then in the NG+ cycle after that you only need to interact with the red door/talk to Mabel. Then you can take the boat from Carroll River leading you to DLC3/Winterbell entrance.