RPGM Blessing of the Elven Village [v0.2.1.a] [DragonMommyRhea]

[Cvf245678987]

Is there anyone with full save guy old save does not work and y dont to do it all over again thanks

 

[DragonMommyRhea]

So the whole point of including the vanilla side of the game is to make a ntr game?

Does that lower the quality of the scenes? Am I phoning in the vanilla side of the game just to get the ntr?
'Cause the last time I checked, I cared about the scenes and the dialogue I've written.

That's the thing I don't get about pure-vanilla people in regards to my game, you know that there's going to be NTR, so yeah in a sense, the girls that you're trying to win over may get content that you absolutely despite. but because the sole existance of NTR in the future, then that just diminishes all the content of the vanilla side? Furthermore, So far the only content in the game is vanilla, and it's going to be like that for several patches.

I just don't know how to deal with the whole pure-vanilla mindset, if I say, "no, vanilla peeps are my focus" how does that change anything? Like people said in pages before, even if that's the answer, I think, rightfully so, many people will still have their doubts and overall refuse to support a dev that's going to add NTR in the future, so I'm screwed in that regard.
And if I say the contrary; then I'm just using vanilla peeps while I secretly desire to make a NTR game? Like I can't win against that, and just trying to find the middle ground with that tribe is not possible. At the end of the day, I'm still working on content that they enjoy or want (Vanilla), content that I also enjoy making regardless of the label, so again, which one is it going to be? I'm just finding me in a dammed if I do, dammed if I don't situation constantly.

If you have an answer to that, I would love to hear it, but if you don't, then I think this game, or me as dev, just might not be for you.

Heck, I think you could also see it as me wanting to create a NTR game and still gettting a hopefully pretty good vanilla harem as a by-product, you don't see the NTR folks geting upset because the vanilla folks got taken care of, do you?

 

[Golzd]

Does that lower the quality of the scenes? Am I phoning in the vanilla side of the game just to get the ntr?
'Cause the last time I checked, I cared about the scenes and the dialogue I've written.

That's the thing I don't get about pure-vanilla people in regards to my game, you know that there's going to be NTR, so yeah in a sense, the girls that you're trying to win over may get content that you absolutely despite. but because the sole existance of NTR in the future, then that just diminishes all the content of the vanilla side? Furthermore, So far the only content in the game is vanilla, and it's going to be like that for several patches.

I just don't know how to deal with the whole pure-vanilla mindset, if I say, "no, vanilla peeps are my focus" how does that change anything? Like people said in pages before, even if that's the answer, I think, rightfully so, many people will still have their doubts and overall refuse to support a dev that's going to add NTR in the future, so I'm screwed in that regard.
And if I say the contrary; then I'm just using vanilla peeps while I secretly desire to make a NTR game? Like I can't win against that, and just trying to find the middle ground with that tribe is not possible. At the end of the day, I'm still working on content that they enjoy or want (Vanilla), content that I also enjoy making regardless of the label, so again, which one is it going to be? I'm just finding me in a dammed if I do, dammed if I don't situation constantly.

If you have an answer to that, I would love to hear it, but if you don't, then I think this game, or me as dev, just might not be for you.

Heck, I think you could also see it as me wanting to create a NTR game and still gettting a hopefully pretty good vanilla harem as a by-product, you don't see the NTR folks geting upset because the vanilla folks got taken care of, do you?

My concern for you as a dev and game is that you are trying to please everyone and it will please no one, looking at this thread if you just read the comments it looks like a game that is building just for the ntr. I do not deny you have a great passion for the game and writing far from it, i just look and think you have turned away the vanilla players for a game that was focused on that, then the ntr was going added has to be a dlc, but reading comments here and on itch you have changed that so you are adding it earlier in development, and looking at the reply's here you seem more stoked about the ntr, which is also adding to the uninterest and lack of involvement from vanilla players, which i why i said about identity crisis.

Let me put it this way, you and others may think it is weird, but knowing that a li is going to be a complete opposite/cheater in the other part of the story kills the interest. If you can not see how ntr and harem/vanilla are complete opposites in terms of genre one is love and happiness yet the other is betrayal and deception. Anyway good luck trying to please both but looking here i think you have only got the niche people interested, and unfortunately its like chalk and cheese.

 

[Ass bandit]

What I gotten from the replies is that:

1. I'll be adding a way to skip the intro in the future,
2. I don't know if its possible to reduce the map, I actually don't feel like that is a big issue, what I can do is make it so you can teleport around for fast travel

If you can give me more info on how that error appeared I could fix it soon hopefully.

In regards to the combat, I might end up finding a way to simplify aspects of it, it's a nice idea and I really like the system, but it's an idea that worked a hell of a lot better in paper.

and to echo that feeling, having both sides of NTR and Vanilla is something that also seemed good in paper but man, I couldn't be any more wrong if I tried, had I know what I know now, I would have absolutely picked a side, in my eyes, I think to have NTR there needs to be an element of a relationship, so my plan was to have them develop a relationship with the MC, and I figured if you're going to have that, might as well have the option to romance them outright (ergo vanilla, and if you're going to be doing vanilla, might as well make it good if it's going to be there), plus if it's the god-given right of the MC to marry them I feel that could make it spicier (?) to have the option of guys trying to corrupt and steal away what is yours.

Essentially I used to think that in order to have a good NTR game, you needed the bases of a good-to-great vanilla lovey-dovey romance, and that still might be true, but I went the wrong route in how to accomplish that, the game is definitely in a weird no-mans-land lacking a niche that unites several concepts together, I'm trying to fix it as I go along, but yeah, this was quite possible the dumbest road I could have taken but hey, you live and learn.

The silver linning is that reading some of the suggestions on how to approach the NTR in the future seem really good, so when I eventually get there, I do have a lot of ideas on how to go about creating that path.

At the moment I still think that the best course of action is to continue to focus on developing characters to establish that relationship, don't get me wrong, I actually enjoy writting and creating vanilla relationships that end up in marriage and happy ever after, I'm not in any personal hurry to start adding NTR, However, the NTR side of the people I have interacted with have been surprisingly more civilized and fair, so I do want to give them what they want in return.
I just gotta hold on for several updates while I fix the mess I created for myself.

For the combat, to make things more streamlined, what you could do is have the 3 different types of goblins actually appear on the map, instead of having just one generic model. That way, you can select the right counter girl without having to first engage the goblin to see what it is.

Oh, and I notice the combat bug has evolved into a version which gives you 0 attack, which makes it impossible for your girls to win.

On that note, fighting to the death in every battle means Attack is the most important stat, and getting a level without it is really painful.

 

[Harick]

Please guys give a full save!

 

[jackeasy]

At the moment I still think that the best course of action is to continue to focus on developing characters to establish that relationship, don't get me wrong, I actually enjoy writting and creating vanilla relationships that end up in marriage and happy ever after, I'm not in any personal hurry to start adding NTR, However, the NTR side of the people I have interacted with have been surprisingly more civilized and fair, so I do want to give them what they want in return.
I just gotta hold on for several updates while I fix the mess I created for myself.

There is an extremely vocal population here that subscribes to the "Squeaky wheels get the most oil" mentality. This is because SEVERAL games on this platform have completely flip flopped from Pure Vanilla to Semi Vanilla/NTR to Pure NTR and every other direction in between because of dogpiling and the hopes that it will improve funding.

While I think you did the logical thing addressing the split head on and describing exactly how it would be implemented, the outrage you're seeing is people hoping you will bend to their tastes. Sadly it's a poor behavior that has been incentivized. That being said, this behavior is just as visible on both sides of the "divide". If you don't believe me, there are tons of complaints in this particular thread you can read through. https://f95zone.to/threads/arrival-of-the-goddess-v1-02-ntrman.217630/

I think you're catching most of it from Vanilla fans at the moment because you're starting with Vanilla content, but it could also be because of another trend I noticed. Some developers who attempt to introduce NTR do so in a way that "corrupts" the underlying narrative. They will use tactics like calling it avoidable when it isn't, or simply saying it's avoidable when in reality that just means the player doesn't have to see it but it still happens for story purposes. This has created a profound sense of distrust that ultimately results in people not accepting ANY form of "cucking".

That's the thing I don't get about pure-vanilla people in regards to my game, you know that there's going to be NTR, so yeah in a sense, the girls that you're trying to win over may get content that you absolutely despite. but because the sole existence of NTR in the future, then that just diminishes all the content of the vanilla side? Furthermore, So far the only content in the game is vanilla, and it's going to be like that for several patches.

If you have an answer to that, I would love to hear it, but if you don't, then I think this game, or me as dev, just might not be for you.

As a Vanilla fan, I personally do not care at all if NTR is present in games when it is a fail state caused by a player's lack of action. The only exceptions to that rule are the following.

1) There is so little vanilla content that there is no reason to play the game. It feels like a waste of time and it makes playing the game feel like you're trying to make the experience something it was never meant to be. This is a common outcome for games because development takes a lot of time, and splitting routes like this multiplies that exponentially. As Golzd mentioned, you can easily end up in a situation where you try to please everyone and end up pleasing no one.

2) The Heroines' personality/demeanor shifts drastically either during the NTR or during gameplay despite avoiding the NTR. The former usually takes the form of them folding like a plastic chair during sex and ultimately makes it feel like they didn't care about the MC at all. It also just feels like lazy writing. The latter refers to the earlier point I mentioned of the NTR/corruption happening behind the scenes despite avoiding it.

3) The "avoidable" fail state isn't actually avoidable. The NTRman game I linked had a decent example of this but I think it's been fixed. Basically NTR was avoidable if you won the minigames but one of them was so extremely difficult that you had to cheat to win. Don't make the game impossibly difficult, tedious, or require paywalls/cheats to win and you won't have this problem.

TLDR: I can't help you address the crowd's mentality, but hopefully this feedback helps you find middle ground. My advice would be to stick to your guns. Waffling makes it harder to focus and will likely leave you frustrated and overwhelmed in the end.

 

[Golzd]

There is an extremely vocal population here that subscribes to the "Squeaky wheels get the most oil" mentality. This is because SEVERAL games on this platform have completely flip flopped from Pure Vanilla to Semi Vanilla/NTR to Pure NTR and every other direction in between because of dogpiling and the hopes that it will improve funding.

While I think you did the logical thing addressing the split head on and describing exactly how it would be implemented, the outrage you're seeing is people hoping you will bend to their tastes. Sadly it's a poor behavior that has been incentivized. That being said, this behavior is just as visible on both sides of the "divide". If you don't believe me, there are tons of complaints in this particular thread you can read through. https://f95zone.to/threads/arrival-of-the-goddess-v1-02-ntrman.217630/

I think you're catching most of it from Vanilla fans at the moment because you're starting with Vanilla content, but it could also be because of another trend I noticed. Some developers who attempt to introduce NTR do so in a way that "corrupts" the underlying narrative. They will use tactics like calling it avoidable when it isn't, or simply saying it's avoidable when in reality that just means the player doesn't have to see it but it still happens for story purposes. This has created a profound sense of distrust that ultimately results in people not accepting ANY form of "cucking".



As a Vanilla fan, I personally do not care at all if NTR is present in games when it is a fail state caused by a player's lack of action. The only exceptions to that rule are the following.

1) There is so little vanilla content that there is no reason to play the game. It feels like a waste of time and it makes playing the game feel like you're trying to make the experience something it was never meant to be. This is a common outcome for games because development takes a lot of time, and splitting routes like this multiplies that exponentially. As Golzd mentioned, you can easily end up in a situation where you try to please everyone and end up pleasing no one.

2) The Heroines personality/demeanor shifts drastically either during the NTR or during gameplay despite avoiding the NTR. The former usually takes the form of them folding like a plastic chair during sex and ultimately makes it feel like they don't care about the MC at all. It also just feels like lazy writing. The latter refers to the earlier point I mentioned of the NTR/corruption happening behind the scenes despite avoiding it.

3) The "avoidable" fail state isn't actually avoidable. The NTRman game I linked had a decent example of this but I think it's been fixed. Basically NTR was avoidable if you won the minigames but one of them was so extremely difficult that you had to cheat to win. Don't make the game impossibly difficult or require paywalls/cheats to win and you won't have this problem.

TLDR: I can't help you address the crowd's mentality, but hopefully this feedback helps you find middle ground. My advice would be to stick to your guns. Waffling makes it harder to focus and will likely leave you frustrated and overwhelmed in the end.

I agree with most, i think a big part of vanilla fans were supportive of the idea of a dlc at the end, yeah there was some moaning, but the dev has changed stance on it, so is adding it earlier, so in a way it is invoking the feelings like all the other devs that have flipped flopped, (it has happened to me 3 times now supporting a dev/game, one was after 3 years of support). Also what usually happens is that the mc has to grind and grind to get anywhere in the game to prevent the ntr from happening and it sucks the enjoyment out of a game that otherwise has a good story. But that's just my opinion.

 

[WinxFan]

i dont think ntr will be too much of a problem if its done right. i know in struggle with sin even if you messed up and get ntred there will be future paths to take your girls back. as for pure types you could just add a option to turn of ntr content when starting the game that way every one gets what they like.

 

[doodboot]

do i need to download the game again to get the new update or is there a way to download the new update only ?

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

Does that lower the quality of the scenes? Am I phoning in the vanilla side of the game just to get the ntr?
'Cause the last time I checked, I cared about the scenes and the dialogue I've written.

That's the thing I don't get about pure-vanilla people in regards to my game, you know that there's going to be NTR, so yeah in a sense, the girls that you're trying to win over may get content that you absolutely despite. but because the sole existance of NTR in the future, then that just diminishes all the content of the vanilla side? Furthermore, So far the only content in the game is vanilla, and it's going to be like that for several patches.

I just don't know how to deal with the whole pure-vanilla mindset, if I say, "no, vanilla peeps are my focus" how does that change anything? Like people said in pages before, even if that's the answer, I think, rightfully so, many people will still have their doubts and overall refuse to support a dev that's going to add NTR in the future, so I'm screwed in that regard.
And if I say the contrary; then I'm just using vanilla peeps while I secretly desire to make a NTR game? Like I can't win against that, and just trying to find the middle ground with that tribe is not possible. At the end of the day, I'm still working on content that they enjoy or want (Vanilla), content that I also enjoy making regardless of the label, so again, which one is it going to be? I'm just finding me in a dammed if I do, dammed if I don't situation constantly.

If you have an answer to that, I would love to hear it, but if you don't, then I think this game, or me as dev, just might not be for you.

Heck, I think you could also see it as me wanting to create a NTR game and still gettting a hopefully pretty good vanilla harem as a by-product, you don't see the NTR folks geting upset because the vanilla folks got taken care of, do you?

TBH I think the easiest way out of the hole is to make this a pure vanilla harem game and just re-use the assets, writing and coding to make an NTR companion game. So when this reaches 1.0 or w/e version you plan on adding NTR into take the entire game package and make it into a new game called maybe "Corruption of the Elven Village" with the NTR content added to it. That or make the NTR a DLC package that needs to be added to the base game to access. Does it change the fact that you're both a vanilla and an NTR dev? No, but it gives the less than most extreme NTR haters an extra layer of disconnect from the NTR side that might reduce the bad taste in their mouth. Won't help you with the most extreme haters but it'll help you with the NTR haters who quite as insecure about it.

I don't really care either way to be honest. I know I said a lot about it in the earlier part of the thread but that was really more just saying how the fan base is rather than giving my own opinions about it. I don't like NTR most of the time but as long as it's easily avoidable I'm fine.
I'm more annoyed that saves aren't transferrable between versions lol. It kinda demotivates me to play through knowing I'm gonna have to restart every update. Not trying to give you shit about it btw, I know programming sometimes doesn't let you get away with things like that, especially early in a game's development.

 

[Ass bandit]

Does that lower the quality of the scenes? Am I phoning in the vanilla side of the game just to get the ntr?
'Cause the last time I checked, I cared about the scenes and the dialogue I've written.

That's the thing I don't get about pure-vanilla people in regards to my game, you know that there's going to be NTR, so yeah in a sense, the girls that you're trying to win over may get content that you absolutely despite. but because the sole existance of NTR in the future, then that just diminishes all the content of the vanilla side? Furthermore, So far the only content in the game is vanilla, and it's going to be like that for several patches.

I just don't know how to deal with the whole pure-vanilla mindset, if I say, "no, vanilla peeps are my focus" how does that change anything? Like people said in pages before, even if that's the answer, I think, rightfully so, many people will still have their doubts and overall refuse to support a dev that's going to add NTR in the future, so I'm screwed in that regard.
And if I say the contrary; then I'm just using vanilla peeps while I secretly desire to make a NTR game? Like I can't win against that, and just trying to find the middle ground with that tribe is not possible. At the end of the day, I'm still working on content that they enjoy or want (Vanilla), content that I also enjoy making regardless of the label, so again, which one is it going to be? I'm just finding me in a dammed if I do, dammed if I don't situation constantly.

If you have an answer to that, I would love to hear it, but if you don't, then I think this game, or me as dev, just might not be for you.

Heck, I think you could also see it as me wanting to create a NTR game and still gettting a hopefully pretty good vanilla harem as a by-product, you don't see the NTR folks geting upset because the vanilla folks got taken care of, do you?

This sounds like you intended for the 'vanilla' part to be a basis for NTR, not that NTR was some option added later. Is that true?

Oh and NTR fans will not be upset because you promised NTR, and 'vanilla' content does nothing to impact that. On the flipside, NTR often completely ruins vanilla content and games, so vanilla fans will of course be upset.

I say vanilla, but incest harem impregnation is not exactly vanilla (but fans of these games tend to hate NTR even more).

 

[Adoringfan]

Not an ntr enjoyer, but I could see where you could fit it into the battle stuff. Have like clothing damage and the enemies rape girls that fall in combat. Another way you could do it would be have the men in the city start asking for favors if you overuse them in combat. I won't be messing with this again until combat gets some kind of balancing though, because it's an unfun slog atm.

 

[DragonMommyRhea]

After touching some grass and just approaching this in a much calmer mental state, I feel better about the game I'm making and that the decisions I made aren't entirely awful, so thank you everyone for your kindness and comments, seeing mostly positive answers does wonders.

If anyone is having issues with savefiles along the lines of having a black screen and your save file not working, try the following

1. Try to load your savefile
2. Get a black screen and a stock RPG Maker error
3. Back out with [Cancel] Key, usually X or ESC
4. Start a New game,
5. Return to Main Menu as soon as possible by clicking on the buttons on the text
6. Try to load your savefile again

I haven't been able to diagnose what plugin causes that error to fix it more concretely

 

[Ass bandit]

So combat still bugs out on the second week. Before that, though, I was able to test a few things:

- Dual Gun girls are still very, very bad and need a major buff. They even seem to have a lower stat leveling chance.
- Reina is also extremely bad, and also has a bad leveling seed.
- Sword and Shield Goblins are overtuned, and will mess you up if the RNG spawns too many of them.
- Wizard Goblins need to spawn more.

What I think you should do:

- Completely remove the RNG from leveling. It is painful, and some girls have a huge advantage when leveling for some reason (Honoka, for example), while others just get punished for no reason (Dual Gun girls, for example).
- Have the girls gain stats according to what weapons they wield and what you want them to counter. You cannot customise the girls, so there is no point in RNG stats. Unless you plan to animate them with all weapon types?
- Give Sword and Shield Goblins a proper counter.

If every battle is going to be to the death, then set stats when leveling are essential. Otherwise, someone might get no Attack and Defense a few levels in a row, and then be completely screwed. It would just cause people to rage like that recent review, or to savescum constantly, like me.

 

[Adoringfan]

So combat still bugs out on the second week. Before that, though, I was able to test a few things:

- Dual Gun girls are still very, very bad and need a major buff. They even seem to have a lower stat leveling chance.
- Reina is also extremely bad, and also has a bad leveling seed.
- Sword and Shield Goblins are overtuned, and will mess you up if the RNG spawns too many of them.
- Wizard Goblins need to spawn more.

What I think you should do:

- Completely remove the RNG from leveling. It is painful, and some girls have a huge advantage when leveling for some reason (Honoka, for example), while others just get punished for no reason (Dual Gun girls, for example).
- Have the girls gain stats according to what weapons they wield and what you want them to counter. You cannot customise the girls, so there is no point in RNG stats. Unless you plan to animate them with all weapon types?
- Give Sword and Shield Goblins a proper counter.

If every battle is going to be to the death, then set stats when leveling are essential. Otherwise, someone might get no Attack and Defense a few levels in a row, and then be completely screwed. It would just cause people to rage like that recent review, or to savescum constantly, like me.

I'd add let the MC fight too and add equipment for the girls and the MC to the game. I want the Adventurers Clothing Emiru claims she gave me and that Amulet and Sword dammit! You could maybe add expeditions, where you send some girls out and depending on their stats they can bring back some loot, if you don't want to just dump it all into an item shop.

 

[Ass bandit]

I'd add let the MC fight too and add equipment for the girls and the MC to the game. I want the Adventurers Clothing Emiru claims she gave me and that Amulet and Sword dammit! You could maybe add expeditions, where you send some girls out and depending on their stats they can bring back some loot, if you don't want to just dump it all into an item shop.

I think he plans to add that eventually, seeing as one of the girls is a blacksmith and I remember there being a mine?

 

[icollectsouls]

I played a fair bit of this (admittedly cheating for money and activity points) so while I can't talk too much about the game balance, here's my thoughts so far.

• If the upcoming NTR is supposed to be avoidable, just mostly related to whether or not a girl loses against a goblin, then right off the bat the tutorial seems like it shatters that whole "avoidable" premise. The goblin boss, despite his lower accuracy, always attacks for more than the max HP of any of the girls, which would presumably mean that you'd need to get ridiculously lucky and have him not get any hits in at all if you wanted to avoid an NTR scene there. (That being said, in the tutorial it just seemed like the girl was left at one HP and managed to finish him off, but that could be special circumstances?)
• I realize there's been plenty of debate on the whole vanilla/NTR deal, but I feel like NTR just... doesn't fit the vibe of the game, at all. Netorare/cuckoldry scenarios feel like they work best when it deals with one specific female character who "falls" in some way or another, especially to multiple sources and/or in unique ways. The issue is that with this harem setup (and with this many girls in the harem itself), you're either not giving as much of a shit if one girl (especially if she's one who isn't your favorite) gets fucked, or it has to go completely bonkers and find a way to cuck you with every goddamn girl in the harem.
• Related to these last points, the NTR being caused by goblins? It works, it's a classic, not my thing (not that most forms of NTR are my thing in the first place) but it works for the setting. The stuff where it'd be the human guys in the village taking advantage of the women? Fucking stupid and almost contradictory to the game itself. When you're first going through the tutorial (before the first combat) and during some of the conversations, the men are presented as being like, a nice outlier to most other humans who actively seek to take advantage of elves for one reason or another. But then they get offended/frustrated/etc. if you ask them to help defend the village they live in from an active threat, using the magitech armor that they apparently just have? And they're supposed to take that out by harassing the women or something? Get the fuck out of town then! Aside from the one dude running the store, these ungrateful assholes are useless.
• All of the girls are pretty hot, I love the variety (even if they're all mostly the same body shape). Honoka is a particular stand-out to me because most porn games wouldn't even think of including a character like a triple amputee, even with her cool cyber-legs. (And they're not even like, "sexy" cyber-legs but she makes them hot.)
  • My only complaint is with all of the Japanese-sounding names. I get that anime aesthetics usually don't care if characters "look" Japanese, but even knowing the lore of how the elves were wiped out almost everywhere but "the East," most of these characters just... don't look like they should have names like "Shiori" and "Tsugumi."
  • Speaking of Tsugumi, I know she had the surgery to get her elven ears reduced to human length or whatever, but I'm hoping with her further events and awakening as a sage she gets them back. Feels disappointing to have such a knockout concept like "hot elf gilf" but then she doesn't really look like an elf at all.
• I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but considering what's planned for this game definitely isn't something that most people are into anyways... I wanna see some lesbian stuff. Either two girls from the village/harem doing something together (Kaida performing a "checkup" on another girl, maybe) or even female enemies like monster girls that the village women could lose to and get corrupted by.
• Gameplay-wise, it could stand to be less complicated. I know I cheated for activity points and money but that's because the constant juggling of spending time with girls, trying to train them up (gonna echo some of the others in this thread here and say the RNG stat leveling fucking blows), making sure the village is defended... I dunno, it's all too much. (The amount of characters to keep track of and manage certainly doesn't help.)

 

[WinxFan]

yeah the set growth could work or if your just given set points per level range to upgrade the stats as you see fit. so every one can choose how the girls grow.

 

[mtuytj]

Does that lower the quality of the scenes? Am I phoning in the vanilla side of the game just to get the ntr?
'Cause the last time I checked, I cared about the scenes and the dialogue I've written.

That's the thing I don't get about pure-vanilla people in regards to my game, you know that there's going to be NTR, so yeah in a sense, the girls that you're trying to win over may get content that you absolutely despite. but because the sole existance of NTR in the future, then that just diminishes all the content of the vanilla side? Furthermore, So far the only content in the game is vanilla, and it's going to be like that for several patches.

I just don't know how to deal with the whole pure-vanilla mindset, if I say, "no, vanilla peeps are my focus" how does that change anything? Like people said in pages before, even if that's the answer, I think, rightfully so, many people will still have their doubts and overall refuse to support a dev that's going to add NTR in the future, so I'm screwed in that regard.
And if I say the contrary; then I'm just using vanilla peeps while I secretly desire to make a NTR game? Like I can't win against that, and just trying to find the middle ground with that tribe is not possible. At the end of the day, I'm still working on content that they enjoy or want (Vanilla), content that I also enjoy making regardless of the label, so again, which one is it going to be? I'm just finding me in a dammed if I do, dammed if I don't situation constantly.

If you have an answer to that, I would love to hear it, but if you don't, then I think this game, or me as dev, just might not be for you.

Heck, I think you could also see it as me wanting to create a NTR game and still gettting a hopefully pretty good vanilla harem as a by-product, you don't see the NTR folks geting upset because the vanilla folks got taken care of, do you?

I think a potential issue is because of how funding a creator on Patreon works - people aren't funding a specific project or type of content, they're supporting the creator. Some creators have separate Patreon pages for their more standard games and their niche/controversial fetish games (inceton as an example) because vanilla fans, even if it's in the future, don't want to contribute towards something they dislike. It might be a good idea to do something similar if you plan to keep developing for opposing audiences.

 

[Harick]

Full save pls! I want a hero!