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Is that an actual question or a jab at me? Because the only thing I saw through this entire thread was page long arguments about what constitutes NTR and it’s place in vampire lore…
Forget about the NTR discussion; this is just the developer falling into the slut character archetype trap. Even if the love interest is a sex addict, there's no need to depict her past sex scenes with other men.
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i agree with during group sex and if mc allows them to while hes not present, but showing scenes like this while the mc is not present or has nothing to do with them yet, only plays into them being sluts rather then li's
Game devs should always remember rule one. Complainers complain. If you pander to those complaining your game will be a disaster, there will be no originality and you will end up with a vanilla mess no one wants. That is a simple fact of life. Make the game you want, how you want. People will like it and follow or they wont. But when you pander to the complainers you wont be happy with your game and neither will anyone else. If you want lesbian, NTR or random orgies in the street, do it. We may not like it but we always have the option to not play. But guess what, those who do like tend to be silent in the back ground because they have nothing to complain about.
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yeah I can agree that it isn't for harem lovers at least the ones that aren't open minded like I am. tho I still disagree my ideal harem isn't a harem but a polyamory one cause they wouldn't be in a relationships with other people. If anything might be to closer to a slave and master relationship than a harem. But that is kind of how I always saw true harems none of the male power fantasy stuff we see.
nah keep making the game how you want it's not a cuckhold or a NTR game it's just harem fans that dislike certain things are quite vocal about it when they dislike it. While it's understandable why they may dislike certain things it doesn't cross into the territory of NTR or cuck stuff. Sure might be no reason to really show some the stuff you do unless you are trying to show how everyone is kind of open minded when it comes to sex.
As this game does feel more like a free for all / fuck fest where everyone is open about sex with the MC or others. It's just that's not something your typical harem fan looks for when they think of harem. I would still see it as harem personally but more of an open / poly harem unless the girls stop being open about their sexuality with others later then it would transition from an poly harem to a power fantasy one but by that point probably be to late for the fans that aren't open minded. .
100% this while I admit im not a fan of threesomes to me a threesome with 2 girls is boring and pointless if the girls don't play with each other a little bit.
in polyamory you dont need them to be in a relationship with other, allowing them to be sexually with others is enough.
harem = one person with multiple partners.
polyamory = involves multiple people having consensual open romantic/sexual relationships, with mutual agreement and agency for all involved.
and the slave and master thing, dont know if im reading you right, but consent is still a big factor in both, even in a power fantasy, otherwise the li's are not really li's but like you say slaves.
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ah I can see what you mean now cause I always thought of Poly where they are in an actual relationship or everyone is in 1 together like in a throuple but stuff like casual sex with others wouldn't count as poly if no relationship was there.
Yeah the way I see a non power fantasy harem there really wouldn't be consent needed they just would do what they are told but may be asked if the Harem leader ( the MC) was being nice about it or wanted to treat the girls right. But they wouldn't be free to do stuff with others either unless he tells them to tho others inside the harem would be fine unless stated otherwise. Kind of why I say it may be closer to a slave thing. I always think of like a Warlord as the harem leader tho I do perfer something in the middle with a warlord that treats them right in a loving way it just technically consent wouldn't be needed but is something the MC would respect.
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Yes, devs should do what they want, I've always been a big supporter of that mindset, however, they should make sure they are making a game in a genre that fits their vision of the game they want to make. There's nothing inherently wrong with making a harem game with slutty girls, most hardcore harem fans won't like the game but hardcore fans of anything are a minority, the issue is, in this game all women are presented as slutty and willing to sleep with anyone, even going as far (just one girl) to tell the mc that they love sleeping around, aren't going to stop, and (seemingly) make fun of the mc for being uncomfortable with that. The dev did say (When this discussion first kicked off with the first release) that the girls will eventually stop sleeping around, so in the grand scheme of things, all of this means nothing.
The issue arrives when you look at the game itself and the fanbase of harem games in general. The game portrays itself as a harem game. Fair enough, nothing disqualifies the game as being such, and it fits the definition, with the mc having many girlfriends. Harem fans, though, tend to be very strict with the content they want to view. Harem fans, except for a vocal minority, do not give a single fuck if the women in the harem are pure virgins or whatever, that's just a cope by people who want to smear the reputation of harem fans. They do, however, care about being shown sex scenes from non virgin members of the harem's past relationships. Its just not really a thing that goes well in a harem game either, a harem is focused on the main character. Is it vain? A power fantasy? Is the player self inserting into the MC? Sure, but that's the point, its fiction and that stuff exists because people want to see what they can't have in their real life. A harem fan will see a love interest's past sex scene with a different guy and think "Why, in a game made to shove women in MY face, am I seeing sex scenes of MY woman with another man? The effort to render and write the script of that scene could have been used to render and write a sex scene of her with ME, the focal point and entire reason of the game's existence" And then a disconnect happens between the community and the developer.
Lets talk more about this game in specific.
The game is billed as a harem game. Again that's fine, the game has the required elements to be called one.
The game starts attracting fans of the harem genre.
They start playing the game, and (When the game first released, not now) see at bare minimum, three sex scenes of future
and current love interests having sex with other men, and a grand total of zero sex scenes including the MC.
The big fallout happens and the game gets 10 pages of people complaining about the content with the expected flame war erupting.
The dev goes radio silent and refuses to talk on the thread, aside from sending DM's to a few people who report the responses to the thread.
Finally, after like two weeks of this, the dev clears up what people were asking about in his own words, in his own post, and vows to remove some of the scenes that were the most egregious.
EIGHT months later, almost a year, a new update is released, and this time there is an actual sex scene with the MC, an incredibly short one, that you need to choose the right option for
The game starts attracting harem fans again because it is tagged as harem. Some see the fallout on the first few pages and close the tab instantly, others play through and quit because there is nothing but scenes with other men, the same exact conversations and flame wars from 8 months ago fire right back up
The harem fans the game was hanging onto from the start are now spited because its another update with nothing for them, and almost a year later, there is only a single sex scene with the MC.
No matter what anyone thinks about the game's content, definitions of NTR, and the tastes of harem fans, it has to be acknowledged that the game's main playerbase is advertised towards harem fans, and the game at this point, does not cater to them in the slightest. That's okay, the dev should do what they want, its their game. However the dev is also asking for money for the game on patreon, you must remember that this is a pirate site, we get it for free because someone paid for the game and gave out the files. A harem fan isn't going to pay for this game, it just doesn't cover what a harem fan wants to see.
TLDR: The game is made for one group of people, but advertising itself to another group, who are known for being against the content the game does have.
If you would allow me to use a comparison I did in the past: Would you not expect someone developing a game for NTR fans to catch flak when the game has zero NTR scenes and instead is nothing but a harem where all of the women are perfectly loyal and would never cheat?
I'd like it to be known, like I said 8 months ago, this is not an NTR game, and I am not advocating for it to get the NTR tag, I am using NTR games as a comparison.
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But what vampire society? The original vampire Dracula is you read it was very jealous and went for a pure women who was engaged to the guy coming to his castle for bookkeeping purposes. I understand you have something in your head but for me that just isn't interesting in a harem game. I want a fun experience and not be the owner of a free use brothel.
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The general popular culture lore for vampires is that they are hedonists. That's why I think its a bad genre for harem, I've seen it done really well, don't get me wrong, but its generally not something you would expect a harem fan to go for without significant modifications to what is expected from a vampire story.
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yeah I only seen vampire tv never read any books. I always saw the tv shows I watched where a vampire society was treated more like a open orgy with each other most of the time only sometimes they got territorial or jealous with certain females otherwise didn't seem like they cared. But yeah we each have something different what is fun to us. What I imagine a vampire society being like is what would be fun for me in this setting but at the end of the day it's the dev's game and it's up to us if it's something we like or not.
That's true today because contemporary vampire movies and shows have been pretty whack.
But go read the Darren Shan book series. Vampires are much gritter, the story telling, lore, and character building were amazing. Also the series was marketed to children
The Darren Shan books are SFW. I am still at a loss for words how smut like 50 shades of lame gets 3 different movies but Darren Shan does not get a single movie.
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But it's funny I keep reading that but it's actually not. Most books about vampires before the kid stuff made today the vampire is so obsessed about the pure girl it often leads to his death. Also kirsten Stewart didn't get gangbanged in twilight and even shows like the originals are about jealous behavior for the most part and not about cum dumps. There is so much bad vampire fiction out there you can find whatever you want
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Yes. I tried both v2.9.10 and v2.9.11, and both do nothing after clicking "New Game". My screen does not turn blue, however.
Well, that’s Dracula and derivations of him like Nosferatu. But even then, it’s established that he had three concubines back in his castle (who may or may not have also been his daughters in the novel version), and in most versions of the story before he got Mina he turned/fucked Lucy as a primer.
your ignore list seems to not work properly, maybe you forgot to turn it on? Just a short reminder.