VN Ren'Py Blurring the Walls [v0.5.2] [Torimiata]

[burcounting808]

no one forced tori to do anything, he did this to himself with non-stop scope creep.

tori in july:




tori in discord a few nights ago:



the scope of the remake has crept from "not all scenes need work" to "literally reworking every CG in the game"

we didn't make him do that. in fact, we strongly recommended against it, repeatedly!

Yes, that's usually how work happens. You go in with a plan of how things should go. Then things you don't expect happen and you adjust. Just like what we all do at our jobs.

The point is that due to the delays there were so many complaints that he feels obligated to fix every small thing (that most wont even notice) before releasing. So I was saying if there weren't so many people up in arms about it he'd have probably released already and then fixed the small stuff like he usually does. Based on the teasers and previous messages in discord he already had everything done but now it looks like he's tweaking some of the overall narrative things and adding to some of the old stuff because he feels it needs to be perfect before release due to all the pressure.

 

[burcounting808]

^^This, I feel like people's memories are getting shorter by the day...

To me the timing here is the issue. It's not that a remastering or revamping is always bad (though usually it is), it's that it's occurring after a regular update was delayed.

Like a kid who tells his mom "I feel sick" - ok, reasonable, but just so happens he's saying this when school is about to start and not when he's about to go out with friends

But my question would be who is the timing really affecting? It's a free game. People are free to sub after release if they want. If you sub before it's strictly cause you want to support the dev or look at some teasers. Like just take a break and come back in a year and check the game out. What's the rush? The game could come out a year or two years from now and it's all the same to me cause I can play other games or do other things to pass the time. People are acting like crack addicts needing their next hit and this game is the only one that provides it for them. Like damn. Just flag the thread and come back in a year or two. No need to ride Tori every single week praying to see just a few more pixels on a screen and then repeat the cycle every month.

 

[hangmansjoke]

Yes, that's usually how work happens. You go in with a plan of how things should go. Then things you don't expect happen and you adjust. Just like what we all do at our jobs.

The point is that due to the delays there were so many complaints that he feels obligated to fix every small thing (that most wont even notice) before releasing. So I was saying if there weren't so many people up in arms about it he'd have probably released already and then fixed the small stuff like he usually does. Based on the teasers and previous messages in discord he already had everything done but now it looks like he's tweaking some of the overall narrative things and adding to some of the old stuff because he feels it needs to be perfect before release due to all the pressure.

you keep trying to make this the community's fault instead of the dev, which is insane. if i was going to miss a deadline at work, i would tell my boss before the deadline happened. tori has repeatedly set an estimate, let everyone in this thread get excited and F5 all day, then miss the estimate with no communication. then a few days later post a new teaser like nothing happened! when asked about it, this dev acts like making a patreon post takes hours! just tell people if you are going to miss the deadline!

THAT is why the thread has turned into a dumpster fire, not the other way around

 

[burcounting808]

you keep trying to make this the community's fault instead of the dev, which is insane. if i was going to miss a deadline at work, i would tell my boss before the deadline happened. tori has repeatedly set an estimate, let everyone in this thread get excited and F5 all day, then miss the estimate with no communication. then a few days later post a new teaser like nothing happened! when asked about it, this dev acts like making a patreon post takes hours! just tell people if you are going to miss the deadline!

THAT is why the thread has turned into a dumpster fire, not the other way around

Yeah and he came out and said he mishandled communication. What more do you want? It's a free porn game it's not that serious dude. Like how does it affect the people in this thread?

You can be disappointed. It's a valid feeling. You should express it. But why does it need to be expressed week after week month after month. Like just wait until you see a release post? No need to check in every single day of your life for that next sentence the dev says about the update. Just check back in periodically if you want. If you don't see the update move on and come back later. When he finally drops we can all come back and discuss whether it was good or not. But blindly ragging the dev for the last like few months over pixels is honestly so hilarious

 

[hangmansjoke]

Just check back in periodically if you want. If you don't see the update move on and come back later.

this is literally what i was doing, and came back to the thread to see you blaming the community for the delays. why do you feel the need to white knight constantly? can't you take your own advice and buzz off?

 

[slim-kr]

Its starting again. I feel like for some reason people are under the impression that Tori has some secret powers to force people to sub to him. Like the people subbed to him currently are subbed to him for his teasers/text posts. Not the update.

Because if they were subbed for the update they would just sub when the update is out. No other reason to sub beforehand unless you wanted to see a teaser image or something. In which case thats on you that you're expecting more than whats currently available at the time of the sub. So I feel all this hate should be directed towards the subs not the dev.

All I'm saying is that all this discourse has forced Tori into a corner. Either there was so much complaints that he's not too motivated to release for a bunch of people OR there's so much complaints that now there is pressure to deliver something insane so he absolutely cannot release anything that he doesn't see as perfect. Hence the constant delays and edits. If he catches even one minuscule thing that someone could complain about he'd rather just spend the extra few days working on it until it's at a place he likes than release it as it was.

Honestly without all the hate I'm sure he would've released already and just edited as usual. But I think the extra wait caused (due to admittedly mismanaged communication) increased expectations to have it right the first time and since he's a perfectionist it caused delays.

So when he decides to do a remaster 20 days after the countdown post, on release date.
When he also said that the update was coming very soon, before we know it actually.
It's easy, people fall for that kind of posts, is it people fault for trusting someone ?
Is the recent sub peak because he also said that he would update the game past Sunday ? And I feel like it was not even close AGAIN. Because he had to travel ?
Can we also talk about the fact that there is no update anymore planned for a close future ?
Next time he'll fall off his chair or some shit like there are so many things wrong with this communication, choices and lack of respect. It's easy : anything he's saying you know it's not true.

 

[burcounting808]

So when he decides to do a remaster 20 days after the countdown post, on release date.
When he also said that the update was coming very soon, before we know it actually.
It's easy, people fall for that kind of posts, is it people fault for trusting someone ?
Is the recent sub peak because he also said that he would update the game past Sunday ? And I feel like it was not even close AGAIN. Because he had to travel ?
Can we also talk about the fact that there is no update anymore planned for a close future ?
Next time he'll fall off his chair or some shit like there are so many things wrong with this communication, choices and lack of respect. It's easy : anything he's saying you know it's not true.

Did he say in the countdown post or the recent update "EVERYBODY SUB NOW THE UPDATE IS COMING!!" Or did all of you guys do that on your own?

I'll reiterate it for the millionth time. If you don't see a release post just don't sub. If you're subbing before a release post you're subbing for what is currently available and you're not obligated to receive anything in the future prior to your subscription running out. If you subbed for the release, wait for the release.

I swear I'm starting to think Tori does has superpowers because he's mindcontrolled these people to sub to him for something they didn't want. Like if I wanted something i'd typically just wait until the thing is available to buy it. But that's just me.

 

[quandin]

I feel like Tori's just a perfectionist that took too much upon himself and now he's struggling to finish it all

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

But my question would be who is the timing really affecting? It's a free game. People are free to sub after release if they want. If you sub before it's strictly cause you want to support the dev or look at some teasers. Like just take a break and come back in a year and check the game out. What's the rush? The game could come out a year or two years from now and it's all the same to me cause I can play other games or do other things to pass the time. People are acting like crack addicts needing their next hit and this game is the only one that provides it for them. Like damn. Just flag the thread and come back in a year or two. No need to ride Tori every single week praying to see just a few more pixels on a screen and then repeat the cycle every month.

For sure - the healthy and pragmatic thing would be to leave until there is real news. But surely there's some leeway in the meantime for a good ol public pillorying of the crooked merchant.

 

[slim-kr]

Did he say in the countdown post or the recent update "EVERYBODY SUB NOW THE UPDATE IS COMING!!" Or did all of you guys do that on your own?

I'll reiterate it for the millionth time. If you don't see a release post just don't sub. If you're subbing before a release post you're subbing for what is currently available and you're not obligated to receive anything in the future prior to your subscription running out. If you subbed for the release, wait for the release.

I swear I'm starting to think Tori does has superpowers because he's mindcontrolled these people to sub to him for something they didn't want. Like if I wanted something i'd typically just wait until the thing is available to buy it. But that's just me.

What you say is just not realistic, people are not as pragmatic as you think they are. And if it works like that and people are mad about it later. There is nothing to do about it. People are free to complain later because it's just bad. And it's not just a question of money, but trust in general. You shouldn't go 360 on something you previously said for example. The remaster was a very very bad choice in context.

 

[burcounting808]

For sure - the healthy and pragmatic thing would be to leave until there is real news. But surely there's some leeway in the meantime for a good ol public pillorying of the crooked merchant.

Of course. But I think we can both agree that leeway has run out already at least for now. It can resume after a release and we can all discuss whether it was worth it or not. But for now I think that's enough complaints over the last few months

 

[burcounting808]

What you say is just not realistic, people are not as pragmatic as you think they are. And if it works like that and people are mad about it later. There is nothing to do about it. People are free to complain later because it's just bad. And it's not just a question of money, but trust in general. You shouldn't go 360 on something you previously said for example. The remaster was a very very bad choice in context.

I'm not against the criticism. That's legit. It's the constant whining and complaining about things they can control. Like feeling wronged about paying money before they actually see a release available. Or pocket watching Tori for people subbing to him when he hasn't ever solicited them.

 

[hangmansjoke]

Of course. But I think we can both agree that leeway has run out already at least for now. It can resume after a release and we can all discuss whether it was worth it or not. But for now I think that's enough complaints over the last few months

the dev is welcome to pause his patreon and say "i'm going dark until the update is out, see ya soon" and that would quiet things down. but he's still cranking out teasers and fomenting hype, which is naturally going to generate excitement in this thread. as long as the dev is cashing community checks, the community is going to have things to say about it. the only person struggling with this concept is you

 

[RAMPANT123456]

Did he say in the countdown post or the recent update "EVERYBODY SUB NOW THE UPDATE IS COMING!!" Or did all of you guys do that on your own?

I'll reiterate it for the millionth time. If you don't see a release post just don't sub. If you're subbing before a release post you're subbing for what is currently available and you're not obligated to receive anything in the future prior to your subscription running out. If you subbed for the release, wait for the release.

I swear I'm starting to think Tori does has superpowers because he's mindcontrolled these people to sub to him for something they didn't want. Like if I wanted something i'd typically just wait until the thing is available to buy it. But that's just me.

He didn't say it's out yet but he said a date that mind you, has already gone, even though it is an approximate most people could easily think, that is less than a week away wich apparently it isn't, you could blame the community and the people who pay it, yeah they are the "dumb" ones by not waiting but can you really blame them?
They just want to play the game as soon and if tori keeps posting an "almost close" every month, people will still pay sadly after all a month is a decent time, I don't think tori does it intentionally but it's pissing people off, and besides that, if people do what you think is the smart approach of just pay when is out and stop paying then there would be no game

 

[burcounting808]

the dev is welcome to pause his patreon and say "i'm going dark until the update is out, see ya soon" and that would quiet things down. but he's still cranking out teasers and fomenting hype, which is naturally going to generate excitement in this thread. as long as the dev is caching community checks, the community is going to have things to say about it. the only person struggling with this concept is you

People getting "hype" over a free porn game is crazy. Like maybe I truly am the weird one. Cause I really don't understand that concept. The dev is releasing AI pictures on patreon and "fomenting" hype so complaining is valid cause the game they are itching to play isn't coming out fast enough? Is that it?

 

[burcounting808]

He didn't say it's out yet but he said a date that mind you, has already gone, even though it is an approximate most people could easily think, that is less than a week away wich apparently it isn't, you could blame the community and the people who pay it, yeah they are the "dumb" ones by not waiting but can you really blame them?
They just want to play the game as soon and if tori keeps posting an "almost close" every month, people will still pay sadly after all a month is a decent time, I don't think tori does it intentionally but it's pissing people off, and besides that, if people do what you think is the smart approach of just pay when is out and stop paying then there would be no game

You're wrong about that. If no one was paying, Tori would still make the game. He's not relying on the subs to make a living. He's constantly said this is a passion project he works on the side and would continue to release and work on it even if the subs weren't there like they are now. So the people subbing ahead of time truly make no difference to him.

 

[Vampire_Lord]

remaster because he canot use the same character because the ia lol , every update will be a remaster because the IA

 

[jclosed]

Jeez - All that complaining. It would not surprise me if the dev finally has enough and says: "You can all go to hell, I quit!".
In stead of getting the VN later, we won't get anything at all anymore, and the game will be abandoned.
Would that surprise me? After reading all this vitriol on these pages... Not really...

 

[thefee]

This thread is going in circles lol. I am giving up on this game though, cancelled patreon today. good luck to the rest. see you in 2 years maybe.

 

[Faptimebitch]

The best thing you could do right now is forget the thread exists until you see that version number change