VN Ren'Py Blurring the Walls [v0.5.2] [Torimiata]

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Usually these sort of games take the path of FMC turns into a size queen trope but it's always possible that it could go the other way. Ayumi might end up trying it out later and find that while Terracce's size is fun to try, it's a bit too big and she prefers someone like our MC who is a more comfortable size for her.

Dude. This is porn-game land. Your last sentence is absolutely correct and realistic in the real world, but never have I ever seen a porn game where an LI said anything of this sort. The whole concept of "everything in moderation" is kinda lost in this sphere - I mean that for dick sizes, cocky or aggressive attitudes, everything.

It would be super cool writing and a plot twist if it happened as you described, but I just don't see it ever going that way.

Actually I take that back, ALWL did it, so maybe we can see it here.

 

[alyssssssssss]

Once Ayumi gets her pussy dilated by Terazza, there's no turning back, MC only has to give handjobs, fetishes come at a high price, hahah, cuckolds once, cuckolds forever,

 

[proudmoore91]

This game will have a cheating route in the future? As netorare have a lot of potential too I ask because the sharing is not my thing hehe

 

[Miiiiiiiku]

Usually these sort of games take the path of FMC turns into a size queen trope

And that's one of many things I'm struggling with atm. Obv the premise still revolves around sharing so its bound to happen. But thats kinda one of my fears. Either MC is a super secure chad or he's not aware what he's creating in Ayumi lol

Usually these sort of games take the path of FMC turns into a size queen trope but it's always possible that it could go the other way. Ayumi might end up trying it out later and find that while Terracce's size is fun to try, it's a bit too big and she prefers someone like our MC who is a more comfortable size for her.

And how do those games end? Lol

Do you think Ayumi will end up doing things without MC's consent eventually? And personally do you see her becoming a size queen based off what we have seen?

That's kind of my issue. Like how do I interpret something like that? I guess as long as Ayumi doesn't straight up fall it's still fine? That's where my curiousity lies because me being an NTS virgin Ive never seen these sort of things work especially if Terrace is a close friend. I could get Ayumi fucking other dudes but the fact that MC is small compared to Terrace and he's a good friend of theirs does make me nervous on testing Ayumi's mental strength. She almost makes me think she'll lose control due to the fun of it.

Like eventually Ayumi will just lose control right? She's starting to get corrupted. Thats why Im still intrigued with this. Eventually I see them having a line they cant cross or wont, but the progression seems to be moving along to where all thats left is Ayumi touches another dick or fucks one. Will she forget why she's doing this or start doing things without MC's consent?

I'll keep on the look out for the Terrace update. Witness corruption is probably my main struggle. This'll be interesting.

 

[Strangerdangererer]

NGL, some of ya'll are acting like being a size queen inherently makes you an immoral sociopath lmao. People have preferences that they compromise on IRL all the time. This isn't an outlandish concept. You think every dude who likes big tits is going to turn their nose up at a flatter woman? Make fun of her and/or refuse to love her just because of that? C'mon now.

Like, look, assuming the game even does take the whole "getting fucked by a bigger dick is inherently better and corrupts you into a size queen" porn logic angle (which I personally doubt, but w/e), why would this suddenly transform Ayumi into a bad person? Why would this cheapen anything? She can still be the same character as before, with slightly different preferences, and she can still love the MC just as much. Whether or not she enjoys sex with another partner more isn't some magical, evil switch point. In fact, it's kinda, y'know, a common part of the NTS fetish and its appeal.

Also, as a slight aside, the whole "corruption" element of this story (a label I still contest, but, again, w/e) has more to do with her getting into being slutty and having fun with the fetish than it does size queening. They're not antithetical to each other or anything, sure, but they're not in complete alignment and shouldn't be treated as synonymous.

 

[WhiteFireDaemon]

And that's one of many things I'm struggling with atm. Obv the premise still revolves around sharing so its bound to happen. But thats kinda one of my fears. Either MC is a super secure chad or he's not aware what he's creating in Ayumi lol

And how do those games end? Lol

Do you think Ayumi will end up doing things without MC's consent eventually? And personally do you see her becoming a size queen based off what we have seen?

That's kind of my issue. Like how do I interpret something like that? I guess as long as Ayumi doesn't straight up fall it's still fine? That's where my curiousity lies because me being an NTS virgin Ive never seen these sort of things work especially if Terrace is a close friend. I could get Ayumi fucking other dudes but the fact that MC is small compared to Terrace and he's a good friend of theirs does make me nervous on testing Ayumi's mental strength. She almost makes me think she'll lose control due to the fun of it.

Like eventually Ayumi will just lose control right? She's starting to get corrupted. Thats why Im still intrigued with this. Eventually I see them having a line they cant cross or wont, but the progression seems to be moving along to where all thats left is Ayumi touches another dick or fucks one. Will she forget why she's doing this or start doing things without MC's consent?

I'll keep on the look out for the Terrace update. Witness corruption is probably my main struggle. This'll be interesting.

As for whether or not Ayumi will be come a size queen, we can't possibly know at this point. Nothing in the game has suggested whether she will or won't and I'm not away of Torimiata having mentioned anything. The FMC becoming a size queen is just one of those kinks that tends to correlate with NTR and cheating sort of games. That doesn't necessarily mean that it will happen in this game however and from the tone Torimiata has given when describing the future of this game, I don't think it'll ever be something along the lines of "omg, his monster cock is so much better than yours and I no longer love you!" I suspect at most, Ayumi will like sex with Terracce, but since we know the game is going to have a happy ending, I think that even if she does like it, she's going to love the MC more than she could ever love big cocks. My only thought in regards to the size queen stuff was that since it's usually a common aspect of NTR games and that this game has such a different kind of tone from that, then it would be kind of a cool sort of thing if Torimiata surprised us with Ayumi not being a size queen and preferring MC's smaller, more reasonable size. It would be a bit more realistic since women do in fact have trouble dealing with too big of a cock as it can be too painful.

Yes, I know porn tends to ramp up things to crazy situations a lot of times, but I would honestly be surprised if we got anything along the lines of Ayumi humiliating the MC about his penis size or even her going and having any kind of sexual contact without his blessing. I could see her possibly doing something if a moment came up, but I expect it'd be after she talked about the possibility with the MC first to get his permission and that he'd be told all about it after the fact. This game is a netorase game, not a netorare. It's just tagged netorare because everything gets lumped under the one umbrella.

Just remember that this game is about sharing Ayumi for the MC's pleasure, it's not a cheating game. If you're fine with a FMC having sex with other guys then I think you'll be fine. Both Ayumi and Terracce have already shown that they definitely don't want to do anything that will hurt the MC. Everyone should lose some inhibitions along the way and find new exciting things to experiment with sexually. I'm not sure what you mean by witness corruption, but it would probably be better to think of MC and Ayumi becoming more sexually liberated rather than corrupted. They're not really losing any kind of morals or love for each other really, just trying to push their limits a bit to see what new things they might like doing. It's kind of like a couple trying out public sex or anal, but in this case, they're experimenting with teasing, exhibitionism/voyeurism, and sharing.

 

[idkmanerally]

NGL, some of ya'll are acting like being a size queen inherently makes you an immoral sociopath lmao.

gamers when an anime waifu says she likes big dicks:

 

[WhiteFireDaemon]

gamers when an anime waifu says she likes big dicks:
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Being a size queen on it's own isn't, but when it comes to NTR games, it's usually part of a SPH kink that adds to cuckold and cheating fetishes which is where people tend to have a problem with it.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

NGL, some of ya'll are acting like being a size queen inherently makes you an immoral sociopath lmao. People have preferences that they compromise on IRL all the time. This isn't an outlandish concept. You think every dude who likes big tits is going to turn their nose up at a flatter woman? Make fun of her and/or refuse to love her just because of that? C'mon now.

Like, look, assuming the game even does take the whole "getting fucked by a bigger dick is inherently better and corrupts you into a size queen" porn logic angle (which I personally doubt, but w/e), why would this suddenly transform Ayumi into a bad person? Why would this cheapen anything? She can still be the same character as before, with slightly different preferences, and she can still love the MC just as much. Whether or not she enjoys sex with another partner more isn't some magical, evil switch point. In fact, it's kinda, y'know, a common part of the NTS fetish and its appeal.

Also, as a slight aside, the whole "corruption" element of this story (a label I still contest, but, again, w/e) has more to do with her getting into being slutty and having fun with the fetish than it does size queening. They're not antithetical to each other or anything, sure, but they're not in complete alignment and shouldn't be treated as synonymous.

gamers when an anime waifu says she likes big dicks:
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There's two things going on simultaneously here.

One is the recognition of the existing trope in avns for a girl to be utterly wooed by a big dick, disregarding everything else and that becoming the sole motivator in her interactions. That's not an unreasonable to think given how common it is in avn writing. I hope this game doesn't become that. (dont mind the size queen, do mind the implication it would make her treat the bf worse).

The second is the many players who reinforce this trope; saying things like "once she gets fucked by a big dick, she'll forget all about her boyfriend" (said with a tiny bit of drool at the corner of their mouth). On the surface they seem scornful of the idea, but it's said in a "doth protest too much" way that makes me think they actually find the idea titillating.

I don't, that silly ntr trope has been done to death. What I DO think would be hot is if Ayumi ends up craving action with big dicks, but not at the cost of her relationship; i.e. she gets actively turned on by terrace but always wants to do stuff with him in the context of including her bf.

 

[idkmanerally]

Being a size queen on it's own isn't, but when it comes to NTR games, it's usually part of a SPH kink that adds to cuckold and cheating fetishes which is where people tend to have a problem with it.

NTR to NTS magic wand fix: torimiata writes a line of dialogue that shows MC likes being humiliated for his small penis

boom, like magic, it's now a consensual NTS fetish! see how easy that was?

but the fact of the matter is, all the NTR vs NTS border patrolling in this thread isn't because people are worried about the sanctity of ayumi and kento's relationship, it's because the posters on f95 are fragile, insecure dorks who self-insert, and take any small-penis humiliation personally

the insecure people DO NOT WANT these elements included in the game, so they are disguising their insecurities as critiques, hoping to kick up enough dust to scare the dev off including them

 

[WhiteFireDaemon]

NTR to NTS magic wand fix: torimiata writes a line of dialogue that shows MC likes being humiliated for his small penis

boom, like magic, it's now a consensual NTS fetish! see how easy that was?

but the fact of the matter is, all the NTR vs NTS border patrolling in this thread isn't because people are worried about the sanctity of ayumi and kento's relationship, it's because the posters on f95 are fragile, insecure dorks who self-insert, and take any small-penis humiliation personally

the insecure people DO NOT WANT these elements included in the game, so they are disguising their insecurities as critiques, hoping to kick up enough dust to scare the dev off including them

People not wanting to see it in games isn't necessarily due to an insecurity. It might just be due to preferred tone in a game. SPH is a degradation kink meaning that the guy gets disrespected by his girl. It's not exactly the most healthy thing for a relationship and is counter to the idea that most men want to be respected by their wife/girlfriend. Also, the difference between NTR and NTS really has nothing to do with the existence of a humiliation kink. That could be or not be in either and not change anything. The difference between them is consent, and it's been made clear that this game will be about consensually sharing and not about cheating.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

It might just be due to preferred tone in a game.

So much this. I have a wide latitude of behaviors I accept from gfs in games, as long as they're done in the context and in service of the existing relationship. This is why I dislike games like LTNI or Holding hands. They insist the LIs are doing these things in the context of a relationship, but it sure feels like they'd be doing them anyway, boyfriend or not.

 

[idkmanerally]

It might just be due to preferred tone in a game.

then i wish people would just be honest and say "this doesn't turn me on" instead of trying to rationalize their preferences by making them seem empirical, like this:

SPH is a degradation kink meaning that the guy gets disrespected by his girl. It's not exactly the most healthy thing for a relationship and is counter to the idea that most men want to be respected by their wife/girlfriend

bringing up what is or isn't healthy in real relationships is completely irrelevant. this is a fake story and the author can make any character consent and enjoy anything. constantly applying real life rules to it is just a way to say "actually my preferences aren't mere preferences, they're actually A Law Of Nature and inherent to humankind"

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

then i wish people would just be honest and say "this doesn't turn me on" instead of trying to rationalize their preferences by making them seem empirical, like this:



bringing up what is or isn't healthy in real relationships is completely irrelevant. this is a fake story and the author can make any character consent and enjoy anything. constantly applying real life rules to it is just a way to say "actually my preferences aren't mere preferences, they're actually A Law Of Nature and inherent to humankind"

That's probably a fair criticism, though if we got rid of that, half the posts on the forums would disappear

I mean 80% of game discussion could be reduced to "This turns me on" or "This doesnt turn me on" - but we get this idea that couching an opinion in 'objective-sounding wrapping' makes it more legitimate. Unfortunately the broader forum culture incentivizes this - more blunt posts tend to get reported or ignored, so we take turns with mealy-mouthed language to advance our preferences.

 

[WhiteFireDaemon]

bringing up what is or isn't healthy in real relationships is completely irrelevant. this is a fake story and the author can make any character consent and enjoy anything. constantly applying real life rules to it is just a way to say "actually my preferences aren't mere preferences, they're actually A Law Of Nature and inherent to humankind"

A dev can indeed write any kind of story they want and make it as unrealistic as they want, but there's a fine line with suspension of disbelief. At a certain point, the story asks the audience to excuse one too many leaps of logic and they lose interest. While a story could charge forward without concern for what is healthy in real relationships, trying to instead write a story that is more realistic makes a more immersive story that can be more easily enjoyed by the audience. It's a matter of dancing on the edge of what is an interesting escape into fiction versus maintaining a logical set of world rules that keep the story engaging. While the writing is definitely good enough that I'd enjoy the story either way, I really really like that this story won't be going down the typical path of shitting all over the mc as the girl becomes a slut with at best no consideration for her boyfriend/husband.

 

[Strangerdangererer]

then i wish people would just be honest and say "this doesn't turn me on" instead of trying to rationalize their preferences by making them seem empirical

Personally I don't take issue with people rationalizing their kinks, I think it can be good for people to put some thought into what they like and why. I do take issue with people trying to rationalize away other people's kinks though, cause I think it often takes away the positivity that comes from understanding yourself and twists it into an expectation you hold towards everyone else, which I feel is at the heart of what you're saying.

bringing up what is or isn't healthy in real relationships is completely irrelevant. this is a fake story and the author can make any character consent and enjoy anything."

I don't think this is a necessarily universal point. Again though, I get what you're saying; in fact, I agree that people shouldn't default to the idea of something being healthy or unhealthy IRL as a means of crediting a fetish. IMO it's fair to apply that logic if that's what the story is going for though. If a story is trying to be more grounded and not just utilizing porn logic to cater to its fetish of choice, then I think it's reasonable for viewers to nitpick a little more. In moderation, of course, as everyone has their own understandings of what's "normal" and we should be empathetic to that. I don't think they have carte blanche to harshly tear something apart because they disagree with the artist's idea of what's grounded.

 

[idkmanerally]

A dev can indeed write any kind of story they want and make it as unrealistic as they want, but there's a fine line with suspension of disbelief. At a certain point, the story asks the audience to excuse one too many leaps of logic and they lose interest. While a story could charge forward without concern for what is healthy in real relationships, trying to instead write a story that is more realistic makes a more immersive story that can be more easily enjoyed by the audience. It's a matter of dancing on the edge of what is an interesting escape into fiction versus maintaining a logical set of world rules that keep the story engaging. While the writing is definitely good enough that I'd enjoy the story either way, I really really like that this story won't be going down the typical path of shitting all over the mc as the girl becomes a slut with at best no consideration for her boyfriend/husband.

i agree with you. i just think that like 90% of the people posting their helpful suggestions, opining on the strict definitions of NTR vs NTS, delineating exactly what is considered narratively believable vs outlandish and wrong, are completely disguising their true intentions. because at the end of the day, they won't be satisfied until all the challenging elements of the game are removed, which would render the game inert and unsexy, but would satisfy their insecurity.

all i'm trying to do in this thread is call out this ruse for what it is. the worst possible thing the dev could do is try to placate people who pretend to be reasonable, but in reality just don't want games like this to exist.

if the terrace blowjob scene is full of "is this okay kento? are you sure? terrace is big but that doesn't matter to me, i like your little dick. hmmm this blowjob is fine but i prefer my boyfriend!" it will destroy all the taboos that make this genre sexy, and it won't even make the NTR whiners happy. it'll just ruin the game for the rest of us.

 

[Deleted member 2176748]

In this version i can't get past the H-scene where he licks here and then grabs her boobs on the left side of the screen... In that moment the game freezes and never comes back.Didn't have the issue before.

Any workarounds?

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

if the terrace blowjob scene is full of "is this okay kento? are you sure? terrace is big but that doesn't matter to me, i like your little dick. hmmm this blowjob is fine but i prefer my boyfriend!" it will destroy all the taboos that make this genre sexy, and it won't even make the NTR whiners happy. it'll just ruin the game for the rest of us.

Problem is that ignores the orthogonality of the topic, viewing it as a single axis spectrum of vanilla vs ntr, where everything that's non-ntr makes it safer and more vanilla, and everything ntr makes it less safe but more sexy.

But I don't want vanilla nor ntr. Or in your suggested parlance, sharing setups turn me on, ntr and vanilla turn me off.

I don't want to be here

I want to be here


Or applied to your example, I don't want reassurance that Ayumi prefers her bf's dick, hell she can prefer terrace dick all day, as long as she remains totally committed to the bf.

If I'm reading you wrong I apologize- usually when I read things like "the challenging elements of the game are removed, which would render the game inert and unsexy" it's more similar to pro-ntr verbiage. Which is fine too, but that doesnt turn me on.

These kinds of threads are complicated by three different competing interests groups, all trying to steer it their way. I want to steer it up.

 

[jclosed]

Problem is that ignores the orthogonality of the topic, viewing it as a single axis spectrum of vanilla vs ntr, where everything that's non-ntr makes it safer and more vanilla, and everything ntr makes it less safe but more sexy.

But I don't want vanilla nor ntr. Or in your suggested parlance, sharing setups turn me on, ntr and vanilla turn me off.

I don't want to be here
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I want to be here
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Or applied to your example, I don't want reassurance that Ayumi prefers her bf's dick, hell she can prefer terrace dick all day, as long as she remains totally committed to the bf.

If I'm reading you wrong I apologize- usually when I read things like "the challenging elements of the game are removed, which would render the game inert and unsexy" it's more similar to pro-ntr verbiage. Which is fine too, but that doesnt turn me on.

These kinds of threads are complicated by three different competing interests groups, all trying to steer it their way. I want to steer it up.

In short - You want NTS or better pronounced Netorase.
If that is what you want, you are lucky, because that's just what the author of this VN is going for.
I know some people here feel insecure, because a very loud and vocal minority on this forum tries to push the developer in the NTR direction. It's a very weird group that cannot respect people (including the author) that wants to keep this VN purely Netorase, but as said, the core of this VN won't change. I trust the author in that respect.