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Qalx

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Não é isso. São demasiadas horas e gastos para não querer retorno...

# Making a game is too much of an effort (time, overhead,... ), even as a hobby, to dismiss proper monetization. Money is king. Here and everywhere.

Many devs, if not most, start renpy games as a hobby because they love some of them, leaving to fate what will happen next. Big Brother was an inspiration to many.

But once they're successful, and OGrey is off the chart, none of them walks away from driving fans to his funnels. He'd be the first one. A saint (aiming for utopia), stupid (rejecting sure and deserved money) or a flake (simply being quirky or weird).

It has nothing to do with leaving his job. It's about having multiple income streams, doing what they love, as people nowadays should. Let's agree to disagree.
Only you understood that! In reality, he didn't chase away his fans, but only those who don't pay and make unnecessary noise. And still, for him, money is not the first thing, but the desire to give a finality to the game.
 
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Only you understood that! In reality, he didn't chase away his fans, but only those who don't pay and make unnecessary noise. And still, for him, money is not the first thing, but the desire to give a finality to the game.
E isso faz algum sentido?

# You drive supporters from the community. If you fend off the community... Again, all day.
 

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You start from the false premise that everyone is the same! Which is false, Zip and RAI are clearly from areas with major infrastructure problems and probably low salaries, so it makes sense for them to seek higher earnings, that's the first incentive!
I still suspect the same. Considering how little content Zip has created over the years, how crappy, bugged quality (he didn't learn how to code a game in all those years??). On the other hand, he posted a whole bunch of posts encouraging support.


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I still suspect the same. Considering how little content Zip has created over the years, how crappy, bugged quality (he didn't learn how to code a game in all those years??). On the other hand, he posted a whole bunch of posts encouraging support.


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If I understand correctly, to achieve something consistent, you need a powerful system, with a video card with a lot of memory, and these cost a lot, even a lot... Or from the subjects' own accounts (which may or may not be true, but we must give them the benefit of the doubt!), they struggle with power outages and their internet is probably pathetic, and the necessary computers are harder to procure. If you add to this a family and the need to ensure your daily living, things don't seem so rosy anymore, right?!
 

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I still suspect the same. Considering how little content Zip has created over the years, how crappy, bugged quality (he didn't learn how to code a game in all those years??). On the other hand, he posted a whole bunch of posts encouraging support.


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If I understand correctly, to achieve something consistent, you need a powerful system, with a video card with a lot of memory, and these cost a lot, even a lot... Or from the subjects' own accounts (which may or may not be true, but we must give them the benefit of the doubt!), they struggle with power outages and their internet is probably pathetic, and the necessary computers are harder to procure. If you add to this a family and the need to ensure your daily living, things don't seem so rosy anymore, right?!
E se não for nada disso...?

# You can be both right. That theory is quite close to sheep's so there's something there... But what if both zip and RAInces are brazilian...? Blackouts and crappy internet?? Come on...

Now, let's assume the worst case scenario (a very unstable and poor country). They both make around $700/mo from the game alone... And have been doing it for years. How many months till a decent machine...? You can get them anywhere in the world nowadays. Even decent 4G internet connections... Even in Africa. You're starting to cut them way too much slack, as the sheep always did, and you might be right...

But from what I see power supply and internet connections don't take months to restore so it's just intentional milking, a bunch of bs...
 
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ZIP is right in fact because of pigeons there in full he knows it and he benefits from it n no matter who has his would do the same thing of the pigeon and I admire this guy it’s been years that it lasts so frankly if he makes 700 ball more than 4 or 5 years we will be fun 3 years or 36 months times 700 ball per month is 36 * 700 = 25200 ball happily he tells you not to throw yourself from the top of a cliff it would be a sad
 

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E se não for nada disso...?

# You can be both right. That theory is quite close to sheep's so there's something there... But what if both zip and RAInces are brazilian...? Blackouts and crappy internet?? Come on...

Now, let's assume the worst case cenario (a very instable and poor country). They both make around $700/mo from the game alone... And have been doing it for years. How many months till a decent machine...? You can get them anywhere in the world nowadays. Even decent 4G internet connections... Even in Africa. You're starting to cut them way too much slack, as the sheep always did, and you may be right...

But from what I see power supply and internet connections don't take months to restore so it's just intentional milking, a bunch of bs...
You're right! that's why I didn't give them anything and now I'm sitting with my veins uncut. What's harder to understand is why some people get so worked up about something they have no control over... You should be glad Zip hasn't started celebrating Chinese New Year yet. (?)!

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You're right! that's why I didn't give them anything and now I'm sitting with my veins uncut. What's harder to understand is why some people get so worked up about something they have no control over... You should be glad Zip hasn't started celebrating Chinese New Year yet. (?)!

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Isto é um forum...

# This is a forum... "get so worked up about..." :ROFLMAO: You're one to talk... Chill Qalx, just debating points of view, not attacking you.
 
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Qalx

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Isto é um forum...

# This is a forum... "get so worked up about..." :ROFLMAO: You're one to talk... Chill Qalx, just debating points of view, not attacking you.
forum about Patreon or about games?
Anyway, the game is due out around February 29th, as I said before...
 
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