RPGM Bones' Tales: The Manor [v0.30.3 Hotfix] [Dr Bones]

[Golem98]

The game is basically dead. Developer is still "working" on it but he mostly makes commissions and remakes of his old work. Anytime somebody asks him about the development status he says he has an illness and the update will take awhile.

Also he said that update will contain around 10 scenes (most of which will be rework of old ones), so we have to be REASONABLE

he was told me 15, and if you look at a few threads before you will see what they are, there are 10 if I'm not wrong, the new ones are from beasty with vera. Yesterday he was playing skyrim, the guy is from argentina, that is to say, a latin american. friends, do you really trust someone like that? I mean I am latin and I know my people very well. I really don't understand his followers on his discord, I really don't understand.

This post I made a few pages ago breaks down the information that was shared here for new content in the next update (all of the teasers that people shared). But to break it down for the lazy, from what I understand and assuming I made no mistakes the next update will contain the following:

Total: 12 Scenes & 11-12 variations
(5 Martha Scenes / 2 Variations)
(2 Mia Scenes / 1 is Beasty)
(2 Lucile Scenes)
(3 Vera Scenes / 9-10 Variations / 1 Scene + 5 Variations is Beasty)
+ Unknown changes from Lucile pantry & Vera bedroom door (multiple current scenes implicated)

I wouldn't call the game dead honestly, its incredibly slow to update and even though the update is taking a significant amount of time, there is still a large quantity of content to be added. Perhaps not many people would share my views on the following;

The updates as they are now, in terms of their size and frequency, with some exceptions, are likely not as far off from how things were when Doc would release multiple updates a year, as many people have come to think. In descending order of importance; the past updates were quite small, the art style wasn't as detailed and the positioning wasn't as good either.

Waiting so long is unfortunate and extremely annoying for all of us, but the overall quantity and quality is significantly higher compared to past updates. At the end of the day I'm not putting any money into this and neither are the majority of people here, I'm not trying to discredit people's views but if you have nothing to lose than all you have is something to gain, so waiting isn't so bad, especially with so much more content available on this site.

Doc is still really slow and full of delays, however these delays are not as extreme as you would think, the quantity of content is equivalent to multiple updates in the past, plus added quality improvements, the issue is doing the exact math for number of scenes (and variations) to month ratio, if that ratio remains within a reasonable range (with consideration for better art) than even these lengthy wait times for updates can be partially justified. I say only partially because it's likely that Doc is still overdoing it in terms of tardiness, we need to remember that a significant reason why this upcoming update is so large is because it's got scenes that were meant to be released in the previous update, at the same time we have no idea if he will actually release all the content teased for the next update.

This is not a post for the purpose of defending Doc, its for the purpose of reducing what seems to be a growing culture of blind pessimism. Criticisms against his delays are perfectly fine within reason, criticisms against anything else are usually unreasonable, with perhaps a few exceptions.

Following is on reworked scenes:

In the past Doc would often call scenes reworks despite there actually being new content involved, for example, he would rework an old scene by improving the art and possibly changing the position of characters a bit (such as with Martha & MC first time sex after the bath). And he would then add other scenes where the position of the characters in the scenes changes and/or the actions committed changes, there are the "variations" you see in the changelog. They're called variations to convey that they are linked to the initial scene.

When reworked scenes could go from one position and action, to multiple positions and actions (variations), Doc would simply call it a rework despite there actually being several new scenes (variations) mixed into it. I remember way back for update 0.15 people were being really aggressive with their complaints about the update being a "rework update" and I even had to step in and break down the changelog in order to get the player base to relax. That update was about 1/3 reworks and 2/3 new scenes, but everyone complaining thought that it was primarily or possibly only reworked scenes.

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Darkman200 - I'm pretty sure he is from Uruguay, unless he moved to Argentina. Can you also share where he said it was 15 scenes? Perhaps provide a screenshot?

weather_report - Could you also share a screenshot of where you heard 10 scenes?

 

[TrialRagnarok]

This post I made a few pages ago breaks down the information that was shared here for new content in the next update (all of the teasers that people shared). But to break it down for the lazy, from what I understand and assuming I made no mistakes the next update will contain the following:

Total: 12 Scenes & 11-12 variations
(5 Martha Scenes / 2 Variations)
(2 Mia Scenes / 1 is Beasty)
(2 Lucile Scenes)
(3 Vera Scenes / 9-10 Variations / 1 Scene + 5 Variations is Beasty)
+ Unknown changes from Lucile pantry & Vera bedroom door (multiple current scenes implicated)

I wouldn't call the game dead honestly, its incredibly slow to update and even though the update is taking a significant amount of time, there is still a large quantity of content to be added. Perhaps not many people would share my views on the following;

The updates as they are now, in terms of their size and frequency, with some exceptions, are likely not as far off from how things were when Doc would release multiple updates a year, as many people have come to think. In descending order of importance; the past updates were quite small, the art style wasn't as detailed and the positioning wasn't as good either.

Waiting so long is unfortunate and extremely annoying for all of us, but the overall quantity and quality is significantly higher compared to past updates. At the end of the day I'm not putting any money into this and neither are the majority of people here, I'm not trying to discredit people's views but if you have nothing to lose than all you have is something to gain, so waiting isn't so bad, especially with so much more content available on this site.

Doc is still really slow and full of delays, however these delays are not as extreme as you would think, the quantity of content is equivalent to multiple updates in the past, plus added quality improvements, the issue is doing the exact math for number of scenes (and variations) to month ratio, if that ratio remains within a reasonable range (with consideration for better art) than even these lengthy wait times for updates can be partially justified. I say only partially because it's likely that Doc is still overdoing it in terms of tardiness, we need to remember that a significant reason why this upcoming update is so large is because it's got scenes that were meant to be released in the previous update, at the same time we have no idea if he will actually release all the content teased for the next update.

This is not a post for the purpose of defending Doc, its for the purpose of reducing what seems to be a growing culture of blind pessimism. Criticisms against his delays are perfectly fine within reason, criticisms against anything else are usually unreasonable, with perhaps a few exceptions.

Following is on reworked scenes:

In the past Doc would often call scenes reworks despite there actually being new content involved, for example, he would rework an old scene by improving the art and possibly changing the position of characters a bit (such as with Martha & MC first time sex after the bath). And he would then add other scenes where the position of the characters in the scenes changes and/or the actions committed changes, there are the "variations" you see in the changelog. They're called variations to convey that they are linked to the initial scene.

When reworked scenes could go from one position and action, to multiple positions and actions (variations), Doc would simply call it a rework despite there actually being several new scenes (variations) mixed into it. I remember way back for update 0.15 people were being really aggressive with their complaints about the update being a "rework update" and I even had to step in and break down the changelog in order to get the player base to relax. That update was about 1/3 reworks and 2/3 new scenes, but everyone complaining thought that it was primarily or possibly only reworked scenes.

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Darkman200 - I'm pretty sure he is from Uruguay, unless he moved to Argentina. Can you also share where he said it was 15 scenes? Perhaps provide a screenshot?

weather_report - Could you also share a screenshot of where you heard 10 scenes?

Imma ss this post in case it gets deleted. The breakdown is immaculate and if they delete it, whoever does, is a certified bozo

 

[Darkman200]

This post I made a few pages ago breaks down the information that was shared here for new content in the next update (all of the teasers that people shared). But to break it down for the lazy, from what I understand and assuming I made no mistakes the next update will contain the following:

Total: 12 Scenes & 11-12 variations
(5 Martha Scenes / 2 Variations)
(2 Mia Scenes / 1 is Beasty)
(2 Lucile Scenes)
(3 Vera Scenes / 9-10 Variations / 1 Scene + 5 Variations is Beasty)
+ Unknown changes from Lucile pantry & Vera bedroom door (multiple current scenes implicated)

I wouldn't call the game dead honestly, its incredibly slow to update and even though the update is taking a significant amount of time, there is still a large quantity of content to be added. Perhaps not many people would share my views on the following;

The updates as they are now, in terms of their size and frequency, with some exceptions, are likely not as far off from how things were when Doc would release multiple updates a year, as many people have come to think. In descending order of importance; the past updates were quite small, the art style wasn't as detailed and the positioning wasn't as good either.

Waiting so long is unfortunate and extremely annoying for all of us, but the overall quantity and quality is significantly higher compared to past updates. At the end of the day I'm not putting any money into this and neither are the majority of people here, I'm not trying to discredit people's views but if you have nothing to lose than all you have is something to gain, so waiting isn't so bad, especially with so much more content available on this site.

Doc is still really slow and full of delays, however these delays are not as extreme as you would think, the quantity of content is equivalent to multiple updates in the past, plus added quality improvements, the issue is doing the exact math for number of scenes (and variations) to month ratio, if that ratio remains within a reasonable range (with consideration for better art) than even these lengthy wait times for updates can be partially justified. I say only partially because it's likely that Doc is still overdoing it in terms of tardiness, we need to remember that a significant reason why this upcoming update is so large is because it's got scenes that were meant to be released in the previous update, at the same time we have no idea if he will actually release all the content teased for the next update.

This is not a post for the purpose of defending Doc, its for the purpose of reducing what seems to be a growing culture of blind pessimism. Criticisms against his delays are perfectly fine within reason, criticisms against anything else are usually unreasonable, with perhaps a few exceptions.

Following is on reworked scenes:

In the past Doc would often call scenes reworks despite there actually being new content involved, for example, he would rework an old scene by improving the art and possibly changing the position of characters a bit (such as with Martha & MC first time sex after the bath). And he would then add other scenes where the position of the characters in the scenes changes and/or the actions committed changes, there are the "variations" you see in the changelog. They're called variations to convey that they are linked to the initial scene.

When reworked scenes could go from one position and action, to multiple positions and actions (variations), Doc would simply call it a rework despite there actually being several new scenes (variations) mixed into it. I remember way back for update 0.15 people were being really aggressive with their complaints about the update being a "rework update" and I even had to step in and break down the changelog in order to get the player base to relax. That update was about 1/3 reworks and 2/3 new scenes, but everyone complaining thought that it was primarily or possibly only reworked scenes.

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Darkman200 - I'm pretty sure he is from Uruguay, unless he moved to Argentina. Can you also share where he said it was 15 scenes? Perhaps provide a screenshot?

weather_report - Could you also share a screenshot of where you heard 10 scenes?

He said it in the stream, I asked him and according to him there were 15 scenes he was going to add, so I don't know what happened that now he says he's only going to do 10, or that he's going to do 12. I don't know about his nationality, the Uruguayan accent is almost the same as the Argentinian ones, if not the same. I don't know where the other guy got the idea that there would be 10 scenes, in theory and according to what he answered, there were 15 new scenes, and I asked him that a month ago, when he was drawing Vera's beastly scenes. So he's missing 3 and hasn't given any signs of working on them. The problem isn't so much that I'm reworking the scenes, the problem is the time it takes per update. If he were a serious developer, an estimated time between design and coding would be a year at most for decent content. Look at the previous updates that didn't bring that much content; it took too long to release them. Now this one comes loaded with scenes, and since the last time he released the update, if I'm not mistaken, it was in February of last year, and it hasn't come out. And we can't say that it will eventually come out because based on his activity in the last few days he hasn't given any indication that he's even working on coding the new content.

 

[Golem98]

He said it in the stream, I asked him and according to him there were 15 scenes he was going to add, so I don't know what happened that now he says he's only going to do 10, or that he's going to do 12. I don't know about his nationality, the Uruguayan accent is almost the same as the Argentinian ones, if not the same.

I don't know where the other guy got the idea that there would be 10 scenes, in theory and according to what he answered, there were 15 new scenes, and I asked him that a month ago, when he was drawing Vera's beastly scenes. So he's missing 3 and hasn't given any signs of working on them.

The problem isn't so much that I'm reworking the scenes, the problem is the time it takes per update. If he were a serious developer, an estimated time between design and coding would be a year at most for decent content. Look at the previous updates that didn't bring that much content; it took too long to release them. Now this one comes loaded with scenes, and since the last time he released the update, if I'm not mistaken, it was in February of last year, and it hasn't come out. And we can't say that it will eventually come out because based on his activity in the last few days he hasn't given any indication that he's even working on coding the new content.

If I remember correctly it was that he said he was from Uruguay in the past, at least I do remember a lot of people saying that's where he was from.

Well the 12 scenes (and 11-12 variation) is a break down of all the teasers that we received so far, and so long as I didn't make any mistakes we can consider that to be a credible guess for the amount of content in the next update, 15 scenes being something that Doc said himself is quite an interesting piece of information. Though a significant justification for the size of the upcoming update is that the previous update had scenes that were not released which will be added to this upcoming update, so 15 scenes, as much as that would be including the variations, seems reasonable.

The part I wrote on reworks in my previous comment was mostly for another user that had made the claim that the upcoming update would consist primarily of reworks which isn't the case from the information that was made available on the thread. It just remined me of a time in the past when Doc was grinding out a lot of reworks and people were complaining.

The issue with the time and size of updates that I wrote about was more so about the fact that the updates of the past, and I mean far in the past to the first updates back when Doc first released the game and he was loved by everyone, and was widely considered to be a great dev, and he himself was used as an example to insult infamous devs such as Wootch. Way back then, in those ancient days before bread, back when all his updates came out on time, he was loved and even when he was starting to get late to deliver on some updates, he was still considered to be very good and the voices concerned with his tardiness were fairly quite at the time. And a good reason for why those people were quite was because, despite the fact that the updates were increasingly taking longer to receive, each of the updates were larger. And the ratio of time and content remained stable, if the update took twice as long to release, he would release twice as much content and so on. It especially helped that I liked to make these long posts to break things down and remind people what's really going on, and that the art style and animation improvement was significant.

My argument is that the ratio for the updates we're getting now isn't that bad, when I think about it and if I remember it correctly, in the past when he was consistent with his updates it felt like he would do one update once every month, and he very soon increased the interval to two months once the first few initial updates came out, and the game wasn't in such a rough alpha state. But back then those updates were much smaller, his art style was less detailed, the animations were simpler and he lacked experience with RPG maker. Things have improved significantly since then and the overall quality of the game increased substantially.

If we were to consider some of the variations as new scenes entirely, based on how significant of a change the variation scene is from the initial scene, then the following update could have an extremely generous maximum of 24 new scenes, plus however many more from the unknown scenes that I found in the past and the ones that you claim Doc mentioned verbally. In reality, the amount of new scenes wont be so high, most of the variations would not be a significant enough change from the initial scene to justify counting them as a new scene entirely. However the overall quantity would still be quite high, and if Doc is claiming that there are 15 scenes, and we're already aware of 11-12 variations with the potential for more, than we could possibly see an update with roughly 20 new scenes being released.

This update has a level of quantity and quality that is significantly greater than the updates of the past, and based on the time it took its actually not too unreasonable in comparison to the most updates of the past. The main issue is figuring out how reasonable and stable the ratio between time, new content and quality is. We would need to have time stamps of when all the updates were released, a reasonable grading system for quality of art and animation, a reasonable system to count whether or not a variation can be considered its own scene while taking into consideration other development work. This sounds incredibly complex and annoying, I absolutely refuse to do the amount of work required to figure all of that out (the changelog isn't even written consistently), especially for a game about incest and bestiality, I've written enough essays as it is haha

 

[AddisonF4c3]

He said it in the stream, I asked him and according to him there were 15 scenes he was going to add, so I don't know what happened that now he says he's only going to do 10, or that he's going to do 12. I don't know about his nationality, the Uruguayan accent is almost the same as the Argentinian ones, if not the same. I don't know where the other guy got the idea that there would be 10 scenes, in theory and according to what he answered, there were 15 new scenes, and I asked him that a month ago, when he was drawing Vera's beastly scenes. So he's missing 3 and hasn't given any signs of working on them. The problem isn't so much that I'm reworking the scenes, the problem is the time it takes per update. If he were a serious developer, an estimated time between design and coding would be a year at most for decent content. Look at the previous updates that didn't bring that much content; it took too long to release them. Now this one comes loaded with scenes, and since the last time he released the update, if I'm not mistaken, it was in February of last year, and it hasn't come out. And we can't say that it will eventually come out because based on his activity in the last few days he hasn't given any indication that he's even working on coding the new content.

i heard similar about the number of scenes in a disc stream as well, i thought i heard 16 but 15 still makes sense so let's hope it releases soon

 

[Nibba2.0]

Ready yourselfs for "PLACE HOLDER"

 

[AddisonF4c3]

Ready yourselfs for "PLACE HOLDER"

just gotta hope that that's not the case

 

[Darkman200]

Ready yourselfs for "PLACE HOLDER"

I have doubts about waiting. I only played this game for the character Marta; personally, I consider the rest of the content mediocre. The only relatively well-designed and animated scenes, aside from Marta's, are the animal ones, which unfortunately aren't my thing. Good for animal lovers, bad for those who aren't into that. The long waits for updates only make me lose even more interest in this game, along with certain rumors about content unpleasant that the doc said he might add.

 

[Kimitsunoyabai]

the drama is gonna get wild again

 

[eminemball]

I have doubts about waiting. I only played this game for the character Marta; personally, I consider the rest of the content mediocre. The only relatively well-designed and animated scenes, aside from Marta's, are the animal ones, which unfortunately aren't my thing. Good for animal lovers, bad for those who aren't into that. The long waits for updates only make me lose even more interest in this game, along with certain rumors about content unpleasant that the doc said he might add.

Yup, all the animal scenes look great but I ain't into that. IMO the sex scenes where the MC is on top are very stiff, including Martha's missionary.

 

[Darkman200]

Yup, all the animal scenes look great but I ain't into that. IMO the sex scenes where the MC is on top are very stiff, including Martha's missionary.

In fact, even though I said that Martha's scenes are the best, they really are, however, as you say, she also has very bad scenes, but they are not as bad as the rest of the characters. However the best without a doubt are the ones of sable in the bathtub, and in the basement, the rest leave much to be desired at least in terms of animation. On the other hand it is curious because the beasty scenes usually have much better animation and even better design haha. There we know which seem to be the priorities of the developer and above all who continue to finance it despite everything.

 

[eminemball]

In fact, even though I said that Martha's scenes are the best, they really are, however, as you say, she also has very bad scenes, but they are not as bad as the rest of the characters. However the best without a doubt are the ones of sable in the bathtub, and in the basement, the rest leave much to be desired at least in terms of animation. On the other hand it is curious because the beasty scenes usually have much better animation and even better design haha. There we know which seem to be the priorities of the developer and above all who continue to finance it despite everything.

loll I honestly think he struggles with the human scenes because our MC is a midget, bro is tippytoeing every scene.

 

[Golem98]

I popped into the stream that Doc had today and watched a small part of it starting around 11pm (Eastern Standard Time - That's eastern Canada/USA) and watched for about 1.5 hours. These are my findings;

Spoiler: Martha Kiss & Grope Scene + Variations

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The above is part of an already teased scene that I call the "Martha Kiss & Grope", there are 6 variations shown here. In the following order, from the top to the bottom; Martha's default outfit, her bikini (you get that from doing Yoga stuff), some sort of red underwear, white underwear (her gown that she sleeps in is my guess) and naked.

For the 6th variation shown (the smallest image), I have three guesses for it, the first is that its simply Martha's skirt pulled up a bit, and the second guess is that it's a new short skirt she wears once she is in the Passionate State, the third guess is that it's her Yoga shorts, but I am least confident in that guess and find it unlikely.

In terms of overall animation quality I would say it's about as good as the best stuff he has in the game now, though at times I thought it was better than that.

There also seemed to be three outfit options for the MC for this scene, though this was not super concrete evidence. As I simply saw image thumbnails in his File Explorer folder for a brief moment.

Doc answered some guy's question and he said 16 scenes would be added to the game. He also talked a bit about how he defines scenes and its something like one scene, regardless of the outfits, the number of animations, is just one scene, and it only counts as two if he has to change the position of the characters so much that he has to redraw them entirely. He used a Lucile event as an example and mentioned something about spanking (not currently in the game iirc), he mentioned that the scene had three parts if I heard it correctly.

Total confirmed by teasers, and Doc's words update size is now, from the past and my new discoveries is;
(+6 variations for Martha) and (+1 Scene & 3 Variations for Lucile) and (3 Unknown Scenes)

Total: 16 Scenes & 20-21 variations
(5 Martha Scenes / 8 Variations)
(2 Mia Scenes / 1 is Beasty)
(3 Lucile Scenes / 3 Variations)
(3 Vera Scenes / 9-10 Variations / 1 Scene + 5 Variations is Beasty)
(3 Unknown Scenes)

 

[Kimitsunoyabai]

at this point he should have made comics and let the mods do the work in implementing it

 

[AddisonF4c3]

I popped into the stream that Doc had today and watched a small part of it starting around 11pm (Eastern Standard Time - That's eastern Canada/USA) and watched for about 1.5 hours. These are my findings;

Spoiler: Martha Kiss & Grope Scene + Variations

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The above is part of an already teased scene that I call the "Martha Kiss & Grope", there are 6 variations shown here. In the following order, from the top to the bottom; Martha's default outfit, her bikini (you get that from doing Yoga stuff), some sort of red underwear, white underwear (her gown that she sleeps in is my guess) and naked.

For the 6th variation shown (the smallest image), I have three guesses for it, the first is that its simply Martha's skirt pulled up a bit, and the second guess is that it's a new short skirt she wears once she is in the Passionate State, the third guess is that it's her Yoga shorts, but I am least confident in that guess and find it unlikely.

In terms of overall animation quality I would say it's about as good as the best stuff he has in the game now, though at times I thought it was better than that.

There also seemed to be three outfit options for the MC for this scene, though this was not super concrete evidence. As I simply saw image thumbnails in his File Explorer folder for a brief moment.

Doc answered some guy's question and he said 16 scenes would be added to the game. He also talked a bit about how he defines scenes and its something like one scene, regardless of the outfits, the number of animations, is just one scene, and it only counts as two if he has to change the position of the characters so much that he has to redraw them entirely. He used a Lucile event as an example and mentioned something about spanking (not currently in the game iirc), he mentioned that the scene had three parts if I heard it correctly.

Total confirmed by teasers, and Doc's words update size is now, from the past and my new discoveries is;
(+6 variations for Martha) and (+1 Scene & 3 Variations for Lucile)

Total: 16 Scenes & 20-21 variations
(5 Martha Scenes / 8 Variations)
(2 Mia Scenes / 1 is Beasty)
(3 Lucile Scenes / 3 Variations)
(3 Vera Scenes / 9-10 Variations / 1 Scene + 5 Variations is Beasty)
(3 Unknown Scenes)

could someone describe what the mia scene besides the beasty is? i've seen only the beasty teaser but nothing else for mia

 

[Golem98]

could someone describe what the mia scene besides the beasty is? i've seen only the beasty teaser but nothing else for mia

Go to my teaser breakdown post for a breakdown of the information that we have had teased to us so far.

Spoiler: This is the teaser for the other Mia scene

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[AddisonF4c3]

Go to my teaser breakdown post for a breakdown of the information that we have had teased to us so far.

Spoiler: This is the teaser for the other Mia scene

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many thanks

 

[khazimsan]

any idea when he says he will post all those new scenes?

 

[Golem98]

any idea when he says he will post all those new scenes?

He said he doesn't want to give exact dates anymore, this is because of how that has become a horrible idea for him to do due to him consistently failing to meet deadlines that he set himself many times over. If I had to guess with everything that I know I feel like 1-2 months is reasonable, any further and it would be 2.5-3 months and possibly up to 3.5 months, but I find 4 and above to be incredibly unlikely.

Things to consider would be;

• The update is quite large, Doc claims to have 16 Scenes planned, and with 20-21 variations that have been confirmed by myself, through previously released teasers, listening to Doc in a previous stream and what I saw on that same stream.
  • However many of those scenes and variations were meant to be released as the second half of the previous update but that never happened, it's possible that they either stayed the same or that he had reworked them somewhat in that time. There is no mention of what exactly happened to those scenes, or whether or not he did any reworking on those, but I'm certain that they're part of this upcoming update.
• Overall animation and art quality is higher than it was in the past.
  • I personally saw one of the animations play out and it looked good compared with the ones already in game.
  • The teasers released so far (I made a post that links them all) imply that upcoming scenes have good art quality.
    • From what was shown I see a modest improvement from Doc's previous artistic improvement in previous updates, it seems like his art style is reaching the upper limit of what it can achieve in terms of quality and further improvements will become increasingly marginal (that's not a bad thing).

 

[BackRunner]

Why do I feel like someone was autofellating themselves while reading those "updates"?