Braincell killing games

[anne O'nymous]

[...] You start to notice that most screen-plays are written by people who really don't know fuck about most of the things they are writing about.

A chance for you that you aren't too knowledgeable in the writing field, it would be worse. You would also notice how cheap and predictable most of them are. My children even made it a rule, when they were still living with me ; whatever how annoyed or offended I can by the story, I have to shut the fuck up when we watch a movie together.
As much as one can just turn his mind off, and then be entertained by a story that fuck physic laws or depict so badly something, it's more difficult to be entertained when you see the obvious plot twists come from very far away. It's like with the classical, "OMG, he received a letter from his girlfriend ! OMFG, she tell that she love him and miss him so much... He'll die during the next battle" cliché ; then you pass more time wondering if it's now that he will die, than effectively being entertained by the battle. Except that it take place during the whole movie.

The same problem applies to many games as well. Then again: When it comes to porn games, increasing horniness significantly lowers the bar and if the H-scenes and models are hot, one becomes much more forgiving.

More than forgiveness, I think that it's a question of expectations. They are indies porn games after all, not wanabe Game Of The Year that cost millions to the AAA studio that made them.
At least for me it is. I'm 51yo, I watched porn movies at a time when they were still at least one hour long and tried to have a plot. So, my expectation for adult games are really low, and I can only have good surprises. As long as it make sense with the parallel universe the story take place in, it's good enough to entertain me. And it's all I ask from those games.

 

[BlasterChief]

More than forgiveness, I think that it's a question of expectations. They are indies porn games after all, not wanabe Game Of The Year that cost millions to the AAA studio that made them.

I can agree on that one. And yet, there are porn games out there that I play(ed) not for the porn, but for the story or humour. Take Once in a Lifetime for example. If you just look at the porn content it's pretty average, but it became one of my all-time favourites because it really matches my sense for absurdist humour. I can't remember when a game made laugh like that before.
Or Acting Lessons. I'm not the most emotional guy and apart from a dark, whacky sense of humour I am usually rather stoic, yet I have to admit that I cried like hell at the end of that one.
There are some real gems hidden among the many bad or mediocre games, that combine excellent writing with good execution.

 

[Creiz]

it's more difficult to be entertained when you see the obvious plot twists come from very far away. It's like with the classical, "OMG, he received a letter from his girlfriend ! OMFG, she tell that she love him and miss him so much... He'll die during the next battle" cliché

Jesus. This.

I'm so sick of regurgitated tropes. Always the same old. It's indeed boring.

How hard is it to have the "received letter from his GF" and have him survive?

I can agree on that one.

Western Style porn games tend to be a lot better written. Now I'm pulling this out of my ass, but I think it's because we put importance to characters and lore rather than using them as tools to pile fetishes on.

 

[BlasterChief]

Western Style porn games tend to be a lot better written. Now I'm pulling this out of my ass, but I think it's because we put importance to characters and lore rather than using them as tools to pile fetishes on.

Or maybe it's just that most asian societies are still incredibly misogynistic while western society has made great steps towards equality, even if most countries still have a long way to go and the US are currently backpedalling as if they wanted to return to the 19th century.

 

[Creiz]

Or maybe it's just that most asian societies are still incredibly misogynistic while western society has made great steps towards equality, even if most countries still have a long way to go and the US are currently backpedalling as if they wanted to return to the 19th century.

I wanted to stay polite, but aye, I agree.

Now mind you, I'm no SJW or "Leftist" as the kids say, but holy shit, mate.

I have a hard time figuring out what goes into the brains of those people. Why would you contribute to a world that treats your own mother or daughter like shit? Do they think their own family are exempt from the misogyny and shit? Just like how you treat that woman, your own are also treated like this.

I'd've thought the people who make the effort to make games, movies, books, etc. would use the opportunity to try and change the world, influence a bit the behaviours by sending positive messages and shit, but damn, son.

It's no wonder Japan birth rates are so low. It's not about everyone "working like crazy", it's about the fact that all their media portray men as either pathetic betas or rapists, and the women as useless whores that are only good as cumrags or need to be subservient or can't do things without the help of a beta and shit. Now people are drowning in that kind of shit, that's all they see so they get influenced, even if it's just a little, and their minds start accepting it as fact. How the fuck do you want the men to go forward and talk to women if they aren't taught how? All their role models are aloof pieces of shit, girly boys or bumbling idiots that can't even see a titty without their mind collapsing?

 

[Sphere42]

How hard is it to have the "received letter from his GF" and have him survive?

The issue is that pretty much everything can be considered a trope nowadays. If you tried to deliberately add "anti-tropes" (not subversions, those are a trope in their own right!) the work would lose cohesiveness and a lot of effort would be wasted. Basically the opposite of Chekhov's gun: you'd need to rent an entire NRA blog's worth of gun props and show them all over the place where they don't matter just to hide the one that actually gets fired - only Red Herring is a trope too...

Western Style porn games tend to be a lot better written. Now I'm pulling this out of my ass, but I think it's because we put importance to characters and lore rather than using them as tools to pile fetishes on.

errm, no? The dumb bullshit just doesn't register unless you're actively analysing because it's ingrained in our culture while differing aspects of foreign cultures stand out. I usually hold the fetish aspect against the Western side because it's still there but it's all the same dumb blonde hourglass bimbo crap if not straight up incest teen goblin while the Japanese at least dare to feature a variety of bizarre niches (although some individual Western games do too, see e.g. Trap Quest).

Or maybe it's just that most asian societies are still incredibly misogynistic while western society has made great steps towards equality, even if most countries still have a long way to go and the US are currently backpedalling as if they wanted to return to the 19th century.

Eh, I don't see it in this context. Both have a huge load of lazy objectifying trash and a few gems in between. Japanese culture values conformity so the games are more homogeneous in how they degrade women but that's about it. Obviously if a Western game is trying to use a "realistic" modern setting then the non-sexual roles of women in society will be more equal but then it's right back to "grab 'em by the pussy".

 

[BlasterChief]

Eh, I don't see it in this context. Both have a huge load of lazy objectifying trash and a few gems in between. Japanese culture values conformity so the games are more homogeneous in how they degrade women but that's about it. Obviously if a Western game is trying to use a "realistic" modern setting then the non-sexual roles of women in society will be more equal but then it's right back to "grab 'em by the pussy".

Not just Japanese culture, most asian societies are intrinsically collectivist as opposed to our individualist societies. And yes, you just have to look at the Incel subculture to see that even our suppposedly enlightened western culture has its own dark corners. Yet I have seen few Asian games in which women have been represented as equals without automatically falling for the MC's cock or being subjected to rape and torture (and usually taken a liking to it, since according to the trope you just have to rape women hard enough for them to start liking it) or turning into a cum-rag for some other reason, while there are a lot of western games that do depict women as equals and agents of their own fate.
Of course I could be totally wrong because I don't play that many asian games and might get the wrong impression when skimming the latest game updates. And yes, there are notable exceptions, although the only one that comes to my mind right now is After Choice's Free Pass (keeping my fingers crossed that the Re-Reboot finally gets this one back on track).

 

[Sphere42]

I have seen few Asian games in which women have been represented as equals

Depends on how you interpret that. Males and females clearly are NOT equal and most "progressives" don't really want full equality in the societal roles of men and women either. The overall culture of "equal opportunity" and similar concepts in non-sexual contexts is what you definitely don't see in most Japanese games no disagreement there.

without automatically falling for the MC's cock or being subjected to rape and torture (and usually taken a liking to it, since according to the trope you just have to rape women hard enough for them to start liking it) or turning into a cum-rag for some other reason

Western works game-ify it more in the form of gradually progressing molestation (peeping, sleep rape etc.) or pussy vending machines (money/gift grind) instead, loads of fuckdolls, hypno-dicks and so on otherwise. For a start all the TF/TG/sissy games are Western (or Russian if you make that distinction).

while there are a lot of western games that do depict women as [...] agents of their own fate.

Plenty of Japanese games too, except those seem to almost exclusively offer Game Over Rape in terms of pornographic content. It's difficult to find one where the woman has agency and sex in the same scene/playthrough. Case in point: Makina, Violated Heroine and their ilk. You can be a badass warrior who sometimes gets groped by the explicitly evil antagonists, but then you'll be lucky to see nudity while bathing. In order to see sex scenes you need to play dumb and walk into obvious (and often poorly written to boot) traps, get defeated in combat or choose to whore yourself out under extremely unfavourable conditions.

Only off the top of my head I can't think of many Western games which allow women to confidently and rationally pick partners and occasions for hardcore sex either.

 

[BlasterChief]

Depends on how you interpret that. Males and females clearly are NOT equal and most "progressives" don't really want full equality in the societal roles of men and women either. The overall culture of "equal opportunity" and similar concepts in non-sexual contexts is what you definitely don't see in most Japanese games no disagreement there.

Sure, thanks to genetics and evolution in general the average woman tends to be shorter and have less muscle mass in comparison to men. She is also the one who risks getting knocked up during unprotected sex while men's testosterone levels make them somewhat more prone to violence. But we aren't living in the bloody middle ages anymore and since our mental capacities are equal, we should be total equals in any enlightened civilisation. The prime reason for inequality between the various sexes (I specifically include non-binary genders and others in this) is the human tendency to value the established order (in this case the patriarchy and outdated ideas on gender) more than rational thinking. But that doesn't mean that we have to accept the status quo.
And just in case you haven't guessed already: I'm a feminist and pretty much as left and liberal as you can get without becoming on of those narrow-minded ideologists that exist at the fringes of any spectrum.
But honestly, I don't know where you get your ideas on progressives from, but while it is sometimes difficult to completely shake off possible conservative preconceptions introduced by one's parents and peers during the formative years, no true progressive will ever doubt the equality of all genders even if the societal status quo doesn't yet reflect this simple truth.

Western works game-ify it more in the form of gradually progressing molestation (peeping, sleep rape etc.) or pussy vending machines (money/gift grind) instead, loads of fuckdolls, hypno-dicks and so on otherwise. For a start all the TF/TG/sissy games are Western (or Russian if you make that distinction).

I won't deny that. But there are many western games that do break with the stereotypes and that's the important difference.

Plenty of Japanese games too, except those seem to almost exclusively offer Game Over Rape in terms of pornographic content. It's difficult to find one where the woman has agency and sex in the same scene/playthrough.
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Let's face it: If you play a porn game, you usually play it for the porn not the story. So, even if the "bad" scenes are only dead/bad ends, players will go for them and then reload from the last decision. That's the only reason those scenes are there for.

Only off the top of my head I can't think of many Western games which allow women to confidently and rationally pick partners and occasions for hardcore sex either.

I can think of a few. I mean, these are still porn games, so yeah, the characters are supposed to end up with each other and thus you could assume limited agency on any character's side. So the real question is why and how characters end up with each other.
The kind of game I'm thinking of has female characters with their own motivations, interests and beliefs that get together with the MC because they see something in each other that goes beyond "ooooh, a huge dick and yummy, yummy cum!" or "oooh, super-muscle-alpha-mega-schlong-dude!". Or they just hook up because both are into casual sex at that moment and make the free choice to engage with each other without the game practicing any direct or indirect slut shaming. The important factor being that they are not just fuck-dolls to fulfil a pubescent power phantasy, but relatively realistic characters. After all, mutual respect is the best foundation for any kind of relationship, except abusive ones.
As for games with a female MC: There are games in which a female MC can engage in sex even with different partners without getting slut shamed, turned into a slut or being taken advantage of. So you can take the high road and still have fun along the way.
Of course, the majority of games are comparativly less enlightened, but things appear to improve over time.

 

[Creiz]

Depends on how you interpret that. Males and females clearly are NOT equal and most "progressives" don't really want full equality in the societal roles of men and women either. The overall culture of "equal opportunity" and similar concepts in non-sexual contexts is what you definitely don't see in most Japanese games no disagreement there.

In all intents and purposes, we are. Apart from extreme physical peak shit, anything a man can do? So can a woman.
Pilot planes? Women can. Invent shit? Women can. Shoot guns? Women definitely can. Kick your ass? Women also can.

I find it hilarious going on the Reddit -inAction subs and seeing all those keyboards warriors go all "buh women weak" and shit. Let's see how they fare against Gina Carrano, Michelle Yeoh or even a random girl that doesn't weigh 60lbs wet.

I still say all that, but again, I'm far from being a "progressive" and "feminist". These shit are nuanced, it's not something that should be politically partisan or shit.

Western works game-ify it more in the form of gradually progressing molestation (peeping, sleep rape etc.) or pussy vending machines (money/gift grind) instead, loads of fuckdolls, hypno-dicks and so on otherwise. For a start all the TF/TG/sissy games are Western (or Russian if you make that distinction).

Those are still mechanics. In western games after progressing with the woman, except obviously on humiliation games (yes, we have those, too) the MC generally doesn't start insulting her, humiliate, tattooing "slut whore free use" bullshit on her, etc.

Even bimbofication games the worst they go is insulting and making the woman be a dumbass cumdump.

Even so? The difference is that in Western style porn, to find the games that go that way you need to actually look for them. You want to see women being dumbass cumdumps, being insulted and humiliated? Look for "Bimbofication". In other genres, even if there's some bimbofication content, they tend to stop it at "dumb and sluttish" instead of going full on semen demon dickfiend.

Asian games is the opposite. You have a vanilla mush mush love marshmallow game with virgin MC-kun and virgin LI-chan, the moment MC-kun touches her tit he's full on "LI-Chan! your body is so outrageously decadent, it's like you're asking me to rape you~~". like, WTF?!

Plenty of Japanese games too, except those seem to almost exclusively offer Game Over Rape in terms of pornographic content. It's difficult to find one where the woman has agency and sex in the same scene/playthrough. Case in point: Makina, Violated Heroine and their ilk. You can be a badass warrior who sometimes gets groped by the explicitly evil antagonists, but then you'll be lucky to see nudity while bathing. In order to see sex scenes you need to play dumb and walk into obvious (and often poorly written to boot) traps, get defeated in combat or choose to whore yourself out under extremely unfavourable conditions.

Which proves the point BlasterChief and I are making.

 

[Diconica]

Jesus. This.

I'm so sick of regurgitated tropes. Always the same old. It's indeed boring.

How hard is it to have the "received letter from his GF" and have him survive?

Western Style porn games tend to be a lot better written. Now I'm pulling this out of my ass, but I think it's because we put importance to characters and lore rather than using them as tools to pile fetishes on.

They could make it the guy who doesn't get a letter dies. Red shirt him. He died because no one cared.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Plenty of Japanese games too, except those seem to almost exclusively offer Game Over Rape in terms of pornographic content. It's difficult to find one where the woman has agency and sex in the same scene/playthrough. Case in point: Makina, Violated Heroine and their ilk. You can be a badass warrior who sometimes gets groped by the explicitly evil antagonists, but then you'll be lucky to see nudity while bathing. In order to see sex scenes you need to play dumb and walk into obvious (and often poorly written to boot) traps, get defeated in combat or choose to whore yourself out under extremely unfavourable conditions.

Only off the top of my head I can't think of many Western games which allow women to confidently and rationally pick partners and occasions for hardcore sex either.

You are jumping from an extreme to another here.

There's a whole world between the mandatory bad fate women tend to have in Asian games, and the almighty power you describe as absent from Western games. The sole fact that even deep corruption games with a female protagonist, like Good Girl Gone Bad by example, offer you the possibility to not be corrupted at all, and decide how far you'll go on the corruption route, is already a major difference with most of Asian games.

Of course, you need to follow the full corruption route in order to unlock all the content. But on the Western scene, even if you decide to keep the MC just slightly corrupted, you generally still have lewd content during all the game ; what kind of content depend of the level of corruption you agreed for. You craft the MC the way you want, and the story will show you how she react to sex accordingly to the way you built her.
This while on the Asian scene, games tend to be an "all or nothing" situation. You'll stop seeing lewd content the moment you decide to not go further in the corruption of the MC. Despite what people can think, in those games choices do not matter a single second. Once the MC decide to not dive deeper into corruption, she return back to her virgin holiness and will never ever engage in sex.

To keep a practical example, imagine a RPG when you can buy stuff either with money or with your body.
In a Western game, you'll unlock possibilities with time. At first the MC will undress, then she'll have the possibility to show her body and pay less, or to give a blowjob and pay nothing. And so on while her corruption advance.
At the opposite in an Asian game, each possibility will replace the previous one. The MC will still start by just undressing, but the next time either she'll agree to suck a dick, or she'll have to pay the full price. Either she slowly turn into a pure whore, or she suffer from a memory loose and totally forget that she have other options than pay the full price. And this is both seriously dumb and a fucking lazy move since there's less works for the author.

 

[Sphere42]

There's a whole world between the mandatory bad fate women tend to have in Asian games, and the almighty power you describe as absent from Western games. The sole fact that even deep corruption games with a female protagonist, like Good Girl Gone Bad by example, offer you the possibility to not be corrupted at all, and decide how far you'll go on the corruption route, is already a major difference with most of Asian games.

The option not to be corrupted does seem to exist in a fair number of even the most depraved Japanese games. Sword Princess Cistina, Cursed Armor (or is that one Chinese?), Violated Heroine, Ruins Seeker etc. do have pure/faithful/virgin routes. Since content is partitioned into quests and events you can also stop at most points or avoid specific ones. Only to a far greater degree than Western equivalents there usually is no way to have hardcore sex if you don't get corrupted or raped. Despite the name Violated Heroine actually is a quite remarkable exception as it allows you to start with high lewdness, still kill everything trying to assault you, but then also give the village kids a practical sex ed lesson or have a romantic evening with the ice witch.

Of course, you need to follow the full corruption route in order to unlock all the content. But on the Western scene, even if you decide to keep the MC just slightly corrupted, you generally still have lewd content during all the game ; what kind of content depend of the level of corruption you agreed for. You craft the MC the way you want, and the story will show you how she react to sex accordingly to the way you built her.

Is this just a poor choice of words or do you really not get it? That simply choosing to have sex requires a woman to be "corrupted"? Content gated behind stat grind exists in plenty of Japanese games too. But any virgin beta simp will come up with the idea of banging his mother in the ass in these games without grinding any stats referring to their person (you need to increase corruption/obedience/lust in the woman instead) while most female protagonists don't "experiment" or "practice", don't masturbate unless you expose them to porn mags or lewd curses first, can't just go to a nightclub to hook up with a friendly, good-looking non-rapey guy because they feel like it.

At the opposite in an Asian game, each possibility will replace the previous one. The MC will still start by just undressing, but the next time either she'll agree to suck a dick, or she'll have to pay the full price. Either she slowly turn into a pure whore, or she suffer from a memory loose and totally forget that she have other options than pay the full price. And this is both seriously dumb and a fucking lazy move since there's less works for the author.

The main difference is that the men in power escalate then. I have seen Japanese games where you can keep doing the same thing over and over, the difference is that (like Western/Russian games tbh) you do it in the form of "work" or currency grind with a large number of strangers. It's when you keep having to go back to the same named/drawn character where you run into issues, they will demand that you go further every time for the same goods or services. Just like the increasing "rent" in Degrees of Lewdity.

To be clear: I am absolutely not trying to say Japanese games are good in this respect. I merely do not see our Western games being much better. They are dumb and sexist in different ways but almost as bad in the end. And the main difference nowadays seems to be that Patreon bans a lot of abusive sex while Japanese funding does not so Western devs don't spell it out in order to maintain plausible deniability.

 

[Diconica]

You are jumping from an extreme to another here.

There's a whole world between the mandatory bad fate women tend to have in Asian games, and the almighty power you describe as absent from Western games. The sole fact that even deep corruption games with a female protagonist, like Good Girl Gone Bad by example, offer you the possibility to not be corrupted at all, and decide how far you'll go on the corruption route, is already a major difference with most of Asian games.

Of course, you need to follow the full corruption route in order to unlock all the content. But on the Western scene, even if you decide to keep the MC just slightly corrupted, you generally still have lewd content during all the game ; what kind of content depend of the level of corruption you agreed for. You craft the MC the way you want, and the story will show you how she react to sex accordingly to the way you built her.
This while on the Asian scene, games tend to be an "all or nothing" situation. You'll stop seeing lewd content the moment you decide to not go further in the corruption of the MC. Despite what people can think, in those games choices do not matter a single second. Once the MC decide to not dive deeper into corruption, she return back to her virgin holiness and will never ever engage in sex.

To keep a practical example, imagine a RPG when you can buy stuff either with money or with your body.
In a Western game, you'll unlock possibilities with time. At first the MC will undress, then she'll have the possibility to show her body and pay less, or to give a blowjob and pay nothing. And so on while her corruption advance.
At the opposite in an Asian game, each possibility will replace the previous one. The MC will still start by just undressing, but the next time either she'll agree to suck a dick, or she'll have to pay the full price. Either she slowly turn into a pure whore, or she suffer from a memory loose and totally forget that she have other options than pay the full price. And this is both seriously dumb and a fucking lazy move since there's less works for the author.

As I pointed out previously there are differences in who is developing the game and who the targeted audience is.

You have the bad
That said there is good and bad development on both sides. The reason for it is different in each case.
Take Uni art work is fine but they over use RNG so its possible for your character you are trying to not corrupt gets raped with ZERO corruption. On top of that they have little understanding of what actual corruption is and how it works. To them trying not to deal with some a-hole is a sign you are being corrupted. When in reality you are probably bottling shit up and going to clobber his ass with a bat some time soon.

Then you have Alansya chronicles. That has good art. But beyond that there are a lot of issues. Again you can get banged by the neighbor with near ZERO corruption. So how the author thinks you are likely to agree to a SWING session with the neighbors when you have little experience to start with. You can find that stuff in pretty much every rout in the game. The author also feels the need to force you to go home after work and tuck you in bed rather than what real people do and let you decide WTF you will do after work. Your job path selection is shite as well.

My girl friend is everyone's toilet bitch. It has a primary premise for the story that doesn't even make sense for anyone that knows shit about biology or the immune system. It goes down hill from there.

On the other side of things.
Cohabitation it for the most part gets one method of corruption correctly. You don't have progression issues. The general premise of the story while being what it is doesn't create any plot-holes you could sink a fleet of ships in.

Leanna's slice of life good art some what gets corruption right. You are limited by corruption level as to what you can be exposed to and it also is limited by the progression with each job or place you interact at. In short it maintains an order to the progression.

Brave Alchemist Colette Is fairly well done it keeps some what control over the order and progression. Art and so on is also good.

President Yukino - Again done mostly right.
Material Girl - Again done ok.

You can find all sort of issues with games developed on both sides.
Examples:
Like one game the girl would fuck a person in public but not show her tits.
Crap loads of games rely on poorly develop blackmail plots, Fashion Business, Special Request, Restore her Career ... Huge as list. All of these games put the characters in a modern world were cell phones exist. None of them the MC uses any of the tech to cover their own as or turn the tables back in their favor. It would take multiple pages to list everything wrong with the games.
That said at least they aren't as bad as "My girl is everyone's toilet bitch". Hell they couldn't even get a plot premise that made sense.

As to the reasons I mentioned at the top there are to many to list and it would be developer dependent.
Some companies don't care what they produce or anything they know their audience has a keyboard in one hand and dick in the other. The only thing they are concerned about is putting something out there for a few dollars so they can be fapped to then start strait away on the next project.

Other developers just have no fucking clew what they are writing about. Half of them probably are virgins or have little sexual or relationship experience. Other's simply lack knowledge on areas that are more technical. How to manipulate someone is taught in college called psychology. The other ways you get it is specialized training such or you experiment. The last option is you read some books on the subject not the crap written by general authors but technical books. None of those is what the normal person does and so most developers don't have the knowledge unless they take the time to actually research it some.
You know how little sexual experience a developer has when he doesn't know a female squirting is mostly piss.
That doesn't even hit on the issues of technology these people fail at when it comes to other science.

There are more reasons just not going to even try and list them out. But it would depend on the developer as to what those are. It doesn't really matter what the reasons are a shit product is still a shit product regardless what the reason is. The only way developers or writers change is via feed back being told. The biggest way to tell a developer their product is bad is not buy it. The problem is their are so many people that are they type of audience that has the keyboard in one hand and dick in the other the companies don't really hear any feed back.

 

[Diconica]

The option not to be corrupted does seem to exist in a fair number of even the most depraved Japanese games. Sword Princess Cistina, Cursed Armor (or is that one Chinese?), Violated Heroine, Ruins Seeker etc. do have pure/faithful/virgin routes. Since content is partitioned into quests and events you can also stop at most points or avoid specific ones. Only to a far greater degree than Western equivalents there usually is no way to have hardcore sex if you don't get corrupted or raped. Despite the name Violated Heroine actually is a quite remarkable exception as it allows you to start with high lewdness, still kill everything trying to assault you, but then also give the village kids a practical sex ed lesson or have a romantic evening with the ice witch.


Is this just a poor choice of words or do you really not get it? That simply choosing to have sex requires a woman to be "corrupted"? Content gated behind stat grind exists in plenty of Japanese games too. But any virgin beta simp will come up with the idea of banging his mother in the ass in these games without grinding any stats referring to their person (you need to increase corruption/obedience/lust in the woman instead) while most female protagonists don't "experiment" or "practice", don't masturbate unless you expose them to porn mags or lewd curses first, can't just go to a nightclub to hook up with a friendly, good-looking non-rapey guy because they feel like it.


The main difference is that the men in power escalate then. I have seen Japanese games where you can keep doing the same thing over and over, the difference is that (like Western/Russian games tbh) you do it in the form of "work" or currency grind with a large number of strangers. It's when you keep having to go back to the same named/drawn character where you run into issues, they will demand that you go further every time for the same goods or services. Just like the increasing "rent" in Degrees of Lewdity.

To be clear: I am absolutely not trying to say Japanese games are good in this respect. I merely do not see our Western games being much better. They are dumb and sexist in different ways but almost as bad in the end. And the main difference nowadays seems to be that Patreon bans a lot of abusive sex while Japanese funding does not so Western devs don't spell it out in order to maintain plausible deniability.

Games on both sides are bad just in different ways.
Really it comes down to the developer more than anything.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Is this just a poor choice of words or do you really not get it? That simply choosing to have sex requires a woman to be "corrupted"?

There's nothing corrupted by itself in the fact to have sex. It's the way you have it, and with who you have it, that can possibly be a sign of corruption. Or are you really believing that all women in your family, from your mother to your daughters, passing by your wife, are corrupted persons ? Because, sorry to say break the news, but except rapists, men are never the ones who choose to have sex, it's always the women who agree to comply with their demand.

Content gated behind stat grind exists in plenty of Japanese games too.

Who talk about grinding ?
Do you really believe that a virgin girl being with a boy for the first time will directly jump to furious anal sex ? Of course not, be happy if you can get a nice peck on the lips. It's only with time that she'll accept to go further, until the moment she'll agree to have sex for the first time. And with chance you'll have anal as birthday gift, or whenever you want if you are really lucky.
It's not grinding, it's life. It's not a question to acquire enough points, it's a question to acquire enough confidence to go a step further. And, once again, this do not remove the previous choices, it just opens more.

 

[GreenGobbo]

From the OP:

So the purpose of this thread is to list and make fun of the games with the stupidest concepts. So dumb you are in risk of killing brain cells with the stupidity the author imbued in them.
You can look at it as the hall of shame. Games that authors should be ashamed they bother making.

What I see when open this thread:





So I'll make just this one attempt to get us back on track with a few controversial picks:

Big Brother and Milfy City both having amazingly stupid plots that require a serious amount of mental gymnastics to even begin thinking they're believable in any way. Some serious braincell killing shit going on there.

 

[Geralt_R]

By example, I remember a movie where the whole pitch was to use a plane, at high speed and high altitude, to reverse the gulf stream. I wonder how many brain cells I lost by just reading this said pitch.

I think it was one of the GI Joe movies (the first one?) that had a scene where icebergs or ice floats were sinking to the bottom of the sea (someone was shooting with a submarine or so at the ice above them). That was just bizarre. Even for Hollywood standards.

About sex boosting the immune system: while the mechanism in the game mentioned in the first post is nonsense, sex itself does indeed boost the immune system, at least according to studies that found that antibody count increases by 30% when people had regular sex at least once or twice a week.
But that of course has nothing to do with the transfer of fluids during sex.

Kissing is a bit different, apparently the transfer of germs in the saliva does indeed give the immune system a boost.

So there are good reason to kiss and and to have sex with your partner purely for health reasons And the basic concept (not the mechanism) in the game is not THAT outrageously stupid maybe. Haven't played it though (don't even know the name of the game).

 

[Diconica]

Definitely side tracked.
But also you can't really expect people to just make a list without someone having something to say about it.
Yea, those two games hit the mark primarily because the MCs in both complete ZEROs and the author expects you to think they could do any of the crap they do.
Max is has no character, no skills ... I can't understand why the developer keeps trying to resurrect this character.
My guess why his character is so shallow is the author has little life experience to work off of. Glamour with Kate as the MC started out ok. He then made Max a secondary MC and the game is now basically shit. He no longer has a clear story path as opposed to when Kate was the only MC it was a path of either her down fall or you avoiding it. Now its just a large dweeb show.

The MC from Milfy city well he starts off in therapy because he was embarrassed or some crap from what I remember. I think it was he made a pass at his teacher and she rejected him so he felt publicly humiliated, passed out or some crap.
All I remember when I seen it was he deserved it. Zero tact or understanding on his part.
I have no idea why the Author thought this would be a good starting point. Maybe, something like that happened to him.
If that's the case way to out yourself as a moron.

Life lesson for you writers and developers out there.
If you do ever plan on asking a teacher out. Don't do it in a place were others might be around and see it. Multiple reasons. You may have misread cues and it will save some public embarrassment. More importantly if you didn't misread the cues and she is into you. She still can't be public about it. She can loose her job - go to jail ... If you ask her in some place like a hall your an inconsiderate douche bag and deserve what you get.
Also in general its better to ask most women out in private. A lot of women don't want that made a public showing of. They want privacy. Take the fact I dated a certain officers daughter while my dad was in the military. So it was cool so long as it was we kept it quite. Status, culture, cast, religion, social standing, ... There are lots of reasons she may want to be private. You are much more likely to get rejected asking a woman out publicly than privately.

 

[Diconica]

I think it was one of the GI Joe movies (the first one?) that had a scene where icebergs or ice floats were sinking to the bottom of the sea (someone was shooting with a submarine or so at the ice above them). That was just bizarre. Even for Hollywood standards.

About sex boosting the immune system: while the mechanism in the game mentioned in the first post is nonsense, sex itself does indeed boost the immune system, at least according to studies that found that antibody count increases by 30% when people had regular sex at least once or twice a week.
But that of course has nothing to do with the transfer of fluids during sex.

Kissing is a bit different, apparently the transfer of germs in the saliva does indeed give the immune system a boost.

So there are good reason to kiss and and to have sex with your partner purely for health reasons And the basic concept (not the mechanism) in the game is not THAT outrageously stupid maybe. Haven't played it though (don't even know the name of the game).

Yep, lowering your stress level boost the immune system.

That game is just beyond retarded. Hell eating boogers would be more effective than what the game suggest.
Kissing would also. The only issue with kissing it can actually be over done and you can end up with your immune system trying to fight to many different things at one time. I guess the same could then happen with boogers if you went around collected a 100 people's snot and made a meal of it I doubt your immune system could keep up.