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Xypster

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It maybe casued due the ntr controversy but I suppose if people would ask for poll to make Rika in open relationship it may work
this game is not an ntr game, putting few scenes will not satisfy cucks and it will piss off everyone else, literally no reason to put such scenes in this game. Dev could lock ntr scenes behind that one dialogue choice where player picks whether or not he wants to share rikka but again, that's alot more work that a small persentage of players will appreciate (game gets barely any updates as is)
 

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this game is not an ntr game, putting few scenes will not satisfy cucks and it will piss off everyone else, literally no reason to put such scenes in this game. Dev could lock ntr scenes behind that one dialogue choice where player picks whether or not he wants to share rikka but again, that's alot more work that a small persentage of players will appreciate (game gets barely any updates as is)
Yes, the game receives relatively few updates, but all I can say is that the developer is genuinely putting in a lot of effort to make it happen. There was a time in the past when things didn't go as planned, but he's truly committed now, despite the issues with Patreon and the team falling apart. At this point, all we can do is wait patiently and appreciate the hard work and dedication he's pouring into the project.
 

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It maybe casued due the ntr controversy but I suppose if people would ask for poll to make Rika in open relationship it may work
Yeah, i remember that controversy at the time. Then heres another question, why do they don't mind having cece fucking other male monster while Rika cant?
 
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Yeah, i remember that controversy at the time. Then heres another question, why do they don't mind having cece fucking other male monster while Rika cant?
yes she can, but i have full player agency on whether i WANT to pair cece with male monsters or just exclusively pick female monsters for her to train, it's fully up to my choice

the rika controversy was because it's part of a dating storyline where we as player are misled by the whore milf and given the illusion of choice to tell her no don't do it again and yet she kept doing it which was absolute dogshit writing (i used past tense because idk if the game later change this to be fully avoidable or completely remove it, but it still infuriating the first time i played it)
 

Kontol man

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yes she can, but i have full player agency on whether i WANT to pair cece with male monsters or just exclusively pick female monsters for her to train, it's fully up to my choice

the rika controversy was because it's part of a dating storyline where we as player are misled by the whore milf and given the illusion of choice to tell her no don't do it again and yet she kept doing it which was absolute dogshit writing (i used past tense because idk if the game later change this to be fully avoidable or completely remove it, but it still infuriating the first time i played it)
Yes I know, and I also have that problem with that Rika scene, but what am talking about is Rika being in the pit with the male monster, which means it will be optional like with cece.
 
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Yeah, i remember that controversy at the time. Then heres another question, why do they don't mind having cece fucking other male monster while Rika cant?
Honestly it came down to how the story was written for the two. For Cece her job is to train monsters and she was fucking them before starting the relationship. By the time the relationship is in effect you have the choice of if you have her sleep with other monsters and it is directly stated that she was not going to those other monsters to find love.

Rika was basically the opposite in every way storyline wise. She was not fucking monsters before the story started (she was a breeder in the past but had retired before the start of the game). When the relationship starts she is not interested in fucking monsters. We actively help her move on from her husband's death before the relationship becomes serious. We then get the dump on her emotional infidelity during her previous marriage and was given a choice which would not matter as she then went to find a replacement for her old monster lover.

Personally if she had just stated she wanted to go into the pit again and we got the ability to use her as a player in the pit it would have not been an issue. That would not have taken away the player's agency. If it had been a situation where she flat out said that she wanted to be faithful to her husband and not have another human and then went searching for wolfmen to fuck it might have pissed off some people but likely would have been fine.

Personally if I had written the game's story I would just have her be barren (the reason why she no longer is a breeder and didn't solve the entire situation herself by doing the job we are). She loved to fuck monsters but can't justify doing so now because of the financial situation they are in. We then over the course of the campaign revive and expand the farm to the point that she can just fuck monsters to help them become more skilled (ideally at her unlock Cece gains another role or both act as semi-automated monster leveling). I would not have her be the main love intrest that would be Kaitlyn's role mostlikely. Rika might become a fuckbuddy with the player but would specifically be noted to not be trying to get into a relationship.
 
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Honestly it came down to how the story was written for the two. For Cece her job is to train monsters and she was fucking them before starting the relationship. By the time the relationship is in effect you have the choice of if you have her sleep with other monsters and it is directly stated that she was not going to those other monsters to find love.

Rika was basically the opposite in every way storyline wise. She was not fucking monsters before the story started (she was a breeder in the past but had retired before the start of the game). When the relationship starts she is not interested in fucking monsters. We actively help her move on from her husband's death before the relationship becomes serious. We then get the dump on her emotional infidelity during her previous marriage and was given a choice which would not matter as she then went to find a replacement for her old monster lover.

Personally if she had just stated she wanted to go into the pit again and we got the ability to use her as a player in the pit it would have not been an issue. That would not have taken away the player's agency. If it had been a situation where she flat out said that she wanted to be faithful to her husband and not have another human and then went searching for wolfmen to fuck it might have pissed off some people but likely would have been fine.

Personally if I had written the game's story I would just have her be barren (the reason why she no longer is a breeder and didn't solve the entire situation herself by doing the job we are). She loved to fuck monsters but can't justify doing so now because of the financial situation they are in. We then over the course of the campaign revive and expand the farm to the point that she can just fuck monsters to help them become more skilled (ideally at her unlock Cece gains another role or both act as semi-automated monster leveling). I would not have her be the main love intrest that would be Kaitlyn's role mostlikely. Rika might become a fuckbuddy with the player but would specifically be noted to not be trying to get into a relationship.
My agency was taken away when the scene of her and the wolfman was removed, I think removing it was a mistake, instead he should have added more to piss off more people and keep people taking about the game and maybe he could have attracted a different audience
 

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My agency was taken away when the scene of her and the wolfman was removed, I think removing it was a mistake, instead he should have added more to piss off more people and keep people taking about the game and maybe he could have attracted a different audience
It should have been connected to the choice. That is how you keep player agency.

Now the reason why the choice did not matter was because making a branching storyline takes significantly more effort. Realistically she should have just been an addition to the pit and have scenes there.

Gameplay loop and story line have been having mismatch issues for a while now. The game does not know if it wants to be a visual novel or a management game and has not blended the story into the management gameplay nor has it advanced the management gameplay with tools obtained from the story.

This is where alot of the breeding game curse comes from. Another part of it is the scaling of images because adding monsters scales stupidly fast. We also have issues with management game scaling butting heads with the concept of slavery and how developers toe the line depending on their game.
 

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It should have been connected to the choice. That is how you keep player agency.

Now the reason why the choice did not matter was because making a branching storyline takes significantly more effort. Realistically she should have just been an addition to the pit and have scenes there.

Gameplay loop and story line have been having mismatch issues for a while now. The game does not know if it wants to be a visual novel or a management game and has not blended the story into the management gameplay nor has it advanced the management gameplay with tools obtained from the story.

This is where alot of the breeding game curse comes from. Another part of it is the scaling of images because adding monsters scales stupidly fast. We also have issues with management game scaling butting heads with the concept of slavery and how developers toe the line depending on their game.
At the end is there really an issue with the scene?, is there really a need to make it optional? It could have been just something that happened and because branching is expensive that would just be how the story goes
 
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Any other decent games similar to this with breeding mechanics?
Sadly there isn't much out there in this genre that why people have been pretty patient with this game. There is the OG Breeding Season, Cloud meadow started off great, but then it became a load of greedy bullshit, where promised scenes disappeared. Just download the sex scenes from cloud meadow because they are good. There is Beast Breeder but it early days and pretty rough.
 
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When it comes to Rika in the breeding pit, Gzone confirmed that he wants to add her to it, but the reaction was so bad to the NTR that he put on hold. So he waited awhile for all the heat to go away and the next patch will add Rika but only with female monsters. Depending on what subscribers want we may get Rika X Male monsters but i believe Gzone said at one point that female monsters only make sense for Rika's current mindest. Because Rika becomes committed to the Protag and wants you to knock up like you did with Cece.
 

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My agency was taken away when the scene of her and the wolfman was removed, I think removing it was a mistake, instead he should have added more to piss off more people and keep people taking about the game and maybe he could have attracted a different audience
There is always people who wants NTR as mandatory and theres always people who will want 100% removed, in this particular case what annoyed the vast majority of people complaining wasnt the scene itself, it was the lead up to the scene. Rika at a certain point asks or asked (havent played in a long time so not sure how the story currently is) if the MC minded if she fooled around with monsters, you could choose something like "I dont want you to do it" or "Go right ahead fuck around i dont mind", the thing is regardless of what you choose you would still get the Rika/Wolfman forest scene. What was the the point of giving a choice if the choice didnt matter anyway? That specific point was what the majority back then complained, not the scene itself.

And you have a point when saying that he could have attracted a different audience but he would also have lost a really big chunk of the audience if he made a mandatory NTR game. When it comes to that kink i say keep things optional, im not a fan of it and always follow the no NTR route, but some people like, by making it optional you pretty much can please almost everyone, those who like it follow that route, those who dont mind choose whatever and those that dont like it choose the non NTR path, its as simple as that.
 
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SDN111

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At the end is there really an issue with the scene?, is there really a need to make it optional? It could have been just something that happened and because branching is expensive that would just be how the story goes
The issue is mostly the context surrounding it. The easiest fix would have been to just have it made clear Rika was not looking for an exclusive relationship. The choice stating it would be is the issue along with the way the story had been shaping up to make it look like an exclusive relationship.

The scene was used for 3 reasons. 1. Make a reason for the wolfman form. 2. Have a reason to use the witch again. 3. Hint a little at the player's history.

Realistically if a monster form was wanted for the game then it should have been part of the reason the player is needed to fix the situation. Have breeders have a trait which allows them to transform into monsters allowing for them to breed safely and could have been a method to increase the stats of the player character.

Start with no knowledge of the trait so only "safer" monsters can be bred initially which is why the financial situation is bad. Then either the trait is found and the witch is searched for or the witch is found and then the trait is discovered. Ingredients are need for the potions to unlock forms/strengthen the player if only one form is used.

This then can still tie into the player character's history and possibly be the springboard for a storyline looking into their past.

Going back to Rika now after talking about the 3 reasons the scene was made. We go right back to the exclusivity relationship after the scene and we continue to still push that way. Even before the rework we still had that happen. If she wanted to just experience fucking monsters and not have an exclusive relationship then just letting her into the pit and having flashback scenes to her time in the past would have worked well.

When the scene had been made I had chosen to let her fuck other monsters assuming she would enter the pit and did not care either way for scene as the context of it didn't go against what I stated. I initially was annoyed with her trying to be monogamous partner for the player because it did not make sense to me with how her character was initially positioned. I had barely been paying much attention to the story at the time and was wanting to see the gameplay evolutions of the game.

Going back over the story multiple time because of complete loss of save files or corruption of files has made me focus more on the actual storyline structure which shows multiple issues of taking up ideas, going one direction for one specific scene and then dropping the idea to get back to previous status quo [aka your bitches only fuck you].

Another example of status quo is the elf village. All it leads to is another monster type to fuck and an NPC which only fucks you. There could have been vendors and mechanics which update gameplay or lead into other storylines. Maybe some form of automation which could allow for difficulty to scale up or allow new mechanics to take a forefront. Instead it is a single monster type which can only be donated and a single NPC you fuck once. Yes, I know Cece's pregnancy storyline is tied into this and that you have a scene with Talia but neither have changed the course of the game's story or changed the main gameplay loop we have had since day one.
 

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My agency was taken away when the scene of her and the wolfman was removed, I think removing it was a mistake, instead he should have added more to piss off more people and keep people taking about the game and maybe he could have attracted a different audience
I don't get why the cucks keep deliberately missing the point here so let me simplify:

1. A paint shop sells many colors

2. At some point, they ask if you want the red paint or the blue paint?

3. You picked the red paint.

4. They give you the blue one.


The point is that i don't care if anyone like blue, it's that i was given a choice and i picked a choice and it DOES NOT MATTER.
Imagine the reverse when you are the one picking blue and they still give you the red one, it's still the same bullshit writing.

That's what player agency means btw just in case you previously don't understand what the word means.
 

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I don't get why the cucks keep deliberately missing the point here so let me simplify:

1. A paint shop sells many colors

2. At some point, they ask if you want the red paint or the blue paint?

3. You picked the red paint.

4. They give you the blue one.


The point is that i don't care if anyone like blue, it's that i was given a choice and i picked a choice and it DOES NOT MATTER.
Imagine the reverse when you are the one picking blue and they still give you the red one, it's still the same bullshit writing.

That's what player agency means btw just in case you previously don't understand what the word means.
You are a little bit condescending but you're right, from a technical point the choice didn't work and it was failure on the implementation of a branch, now I think it was not a big deal anyway, they would have even saved some work by not showing a choice (because it was not working anyway) and the player would just see the scene. Another mistake was not adding more scenes like those, because it's not just agency, people get genuinely mad and emotional for scenes like those and you can bait them to keep engaging with the game.
 

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Another mistake was not adding more scenes like those, because it's not just agency, people get genuinely mad and emotional for scenes like those and you can bait them to keep engaging with the game.
Look, by all means then go support the dev and voice ur feedbacks to their patron pages, i don't have any horses in this race anymore since i've realized the true reason for their 'ntr' tag is that they love their other game more than this game
 
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