RPGM CataclyZm [v0.30] [AmorousDezign]

[Belphegor007]

Everyone complaining about lui is funny.. the game doesn't even say they fuck after u put her there.. she just said he is very protective of her.. if every dev is no longer able to create plot and stuff they want, then what's the point ? They might even lost the passion they have due to complaining.. People that bitch about ntr is the most funny thing because when u watch porn.. do u really fantasise u are the one fucking that women? If yes, thats just sad. If u really love a pornstar or a character, and they are getting fuck, u are being ntr anyway because no matter how immersed you are. That's not you..

The game literally says they fucked before you met and the dev says so here too

LOL, love can be tricky...but seriously Lui was getting free furry ass why would he give it up easily. Anyhow, just let him build the bridge and then ask Kaali to leave Lui and move into your manor, so that's the end of Lui and Kaali.
Also, about Alexia, her content and story line isn't complete I will fix them in future updates.

 

[Dvnasty]

The game literally says they fucked before you met and the dev says so here too

before, not after, u dont know if they fuck after

 

[Belphegor007]

Why I have enjoyed your game, I never bothered to sub to your patreon as I was never really sure the direction your game was going to go. You would make changes if there was backlash and you would also get unfair shit thrown at you for optional things that were avoidable. After explaining why somethings bother people I now know what direction your game is going and it isn't for me personally.

I wish you success

before, not after, u dont know if they fuck after

Hey bro leave this chick I love to fuck as payment for fixing this bridge I'm tootally not going to fuck her.

 

[Dvnasty]

Why I have enjoyed your game, I never bothered to sub to your patreon as I was never really sure the direction your game was going to go. You would make changes if there was backlash and you would also get unfair shit thrown at you for optional things that were avoidable. After explaining why somethings bother people I now know what direction your game is going and it isn't for me personally.

I wish you success

Hey bro leave this chick I love to fuck as payment for fixing this bridge I'm tootally not going to fuck her.

/shrug people cant fuck just because they know u? what a sad world.. everyone must fall in love with u.. i see.. eve is basically a whore to support her family.. have a nice day sir

 

[Porn_Jesus]

If the dev would do everything people advice him to do he wouldn't have to bother anymore what to work on in his life because that would either take his entire life or more than that. He has his vision of the game, he has to sacrifice his free time, it's his project. He's a cool guy who listen to people if the critique is just and useful. Ofc it can be negative at some times, the way the message gets delivered is important though or would you like to get face smacked all the time?

About the ongoing NTR topic... this is a bottomless barrel with no winners and we can argue about that all day and night. Take it or leave it. I admit that there should be some content for NPCs who are, or get, in a relationship with girls if Miles decide to not take them but that's up to the dev to do or not. Maybe a little less "you suck" and a bit more "you did fine so far but maybe a few things could be better" would have an greater effect if you want some changes.

If you like to get talked down in such a fashion, that's your choice for life, but don't expect that everyone will have the same love for that.

 

[astranabeat]

What the down side of you know more choices ? In this case it should be give or not give Kaali to Lui but the game just nope. give her up was only option and you can't do anything about it.

Also Lui just being and asshole because he can. He demand her like she is an object. And Mc give here up just like that. He didn't point gun to to Mc's head so why Mc has to do anything he want? Mc want bridge fix? He can do it himself. Srly. The whole sceanario just silly. MC can easily kill Lui if he want to for demand shit like that.

I know I should turn my brain off so I can enjoy the game but it bugs me when Mc become retard as plot demand like this.

 

[Daddums]

If the dev would do everything people advice him to do he wouldn't have to bother anymore what to work on in his life because that would either take his entire life or more than that. He has his vision of the game, he has to sacrifice his free time, it's his project. He's a cool guy who listen to people if the critique is just and useful. Ofc it can be negative at some times, the way the message gets delivered is important though or would you like to get face smacked all the time?

About the ongoing NTR topic... this is a bottomless barrel with no winners and we can argue about that all day and night. Take it or leave it. I admit that there should be some content for NPCs who are, or get, in a relationship with girls if Miles decide to not take them but that's up to the dev to do or not. Maybe a little less "you suck" and a bit more "you did fine so far but maybe a few things could be better" would have an greater effect if you want some changes.

If you like to get talked down in such a fashion, that's your choice for life, but don't expect that everyone will have the same love for that.

I'm certainly not trying to sound antagonistic. Except to Lui. I dislike him with great intensity which is pretty good for the author to make me feel that way about a character. I just don't like giving him anything. Not even the NTR aspect for me, as much as I hate it, I just hate giving Lui anything more. I also dislike that I have to imprison Kaali at all as the good option, but that's neither here nor there.

Plus narratively it is silly as astranabeat said. Why are we obligated to give him anything when an old geriatric Fox - who I imagine ages much faster than humans do, so you can imagine how ancient he really is - managed to get across the river. What exactly is stopping us? It didn't stop Mister Hip Dysplasia, ya know? We can disagree and that's fine, I just want to give it a shot at figuring out another option if he's willing to listen.

For now I really like the idea of kicking Lui's butt. There can be other options, though. Like figuring out how Fox managed to cross or finding a different path, maybe devise a rope swing system as there seems to be trees up ahead of the river and you could probably use rope for that since there's a lot of rope to go around. You could even ask Agnes to help you, she's buff, she's strong, you could have her help anchor you as you tie yourself to a tree to wade through the river, help fell a tree as a makeshift bridge, etc. There's a lot of different options available, and I know it's more work, but I feel it will really make the game feel bigger and more alive.

 

[Belphegor007]

If the dev would do everything people advice him to do he wouldn't have to bother anymore what to work on in his life because that would either take his entire life or more than that. He has his vision of the game, he has to sacrifice his free time, it's his project. He's a cool guy who listen to people if the critique is just and useful. Ofc it can be negative at some times, the way the message gets delivered is important though or would you like to get face smacked all the time?

About the ongoing NTR topic... this is a bottomless barrel with no winners and we can argue about that all day and night. Take it or leave it. I admit that there should be some content for NPCs who are, or get, in a relationship with girls if Miles decide to not take them but that's up to the dev to do or not. Maybe a little less "you suck" and a bit more "you did fine so far but maybe a few things could be better" would have an greater effect if you want some changes.

If you like to get talked down in such a fashion, that's your choice for life, but don't expect that everyone will have the same love for that.

You greatly misunderstood me.
Out of all the devs on this site AmorousDezign is probably one of my favorites as he listens to all the feedback, even the insults and is very calm and approachable.

I have zero problem if the direction he wants to go is more like Roundscape where no one is really exclusive to the MC and you can't stop them from sleeping around or fucking other things or people.
The only thing is that isn't what I want to play or support, so I see no reason why I should continue to be in this thread. Why should I stay here and yell at the Dev to change things if that makes him go against his vision so much, it's not like he ever out right lied to me, I was just never really sure the direction he was going.

I think AmorousDezign can make a great game, just not one that I personally want to play.

 

[Daddums]

You greatly misunderstood me.
Out of all the devs on this site AmorousDezign is probably one of my favorites as he listens to all the feedback, even the insults and is very calm and approachable.

I have zero problem if the direction he wants to go is more like Roundscape where no one is really exclusive to the MC and you can't stop them from sleeping around or fucking other things or people.
The only thing is that isn't what I want to play or support, so I see no reason why I should continue to be in this thread. Why should I stay here and yell at the Dev to change things if that makes him go against his vision so much, it's not like he ever out right lied to me, I was just never really sure the direction he was going.

I think AmorousDezign can make a great game, just not one that I personally want to play.

There is that dilemma as well, but I don't mind ignoring certain girls. Like Elizabeth, I don't want to do that to Walter or Triss who seems to want to open to everyone. I just dislike the idea of being forced to give something to somebody who I would also like to write off when there's also a feeling that the quest is wasted so easily doing that. I mean, you could really add different alternatives to solving things here and make the player feel more engaged that way. Again, more work, but I think it'll make the game feel more fun.

Maybe my disgruntlement towards Lui prevented me from communicating that way, if so I apologize to Amorous Dezign as I don't want to make him feel worse about something we disagree over. It's just different tastes, but I still think you could add more options to a fair number of the game.

Like Kaali you could offer treatment instead of just imprison or leave to die, maybe make her rethink humans a little in the process. For the river I mentioned you could get Agnes' help to fell a tree or help keep you anchored as you wade through the river, maybe figure out how Fox managed it. For the miller's quest I feel like you could instead help him design something that keeps the wolves away so you don't have to kill them and still get a reward, like maybe go to Nala the bookworm and ask her if she's read about any repellants that keeps wolves away. He has so much room to maneuver, I know it can seem overwhelming, but I think he can pull it off and make the game even more fun in the process.

EDIT: Of course if he doesn't want to do any of this that's fine too. I wish him luck with the game, but it is what it is. Gotta do what you're comfortable with.

 

[Talosa]

I think its really weird you all are looking at the entire situation as you are. Kaali literally was already fucking him, she wasn't in a relationship with you, move on or ignore the character after you literally dump her in the cabin.

Basically every other character is being "shared" (I think people's definition of that word in this thread is dumb) already, Eve is a literal prostitute, Liz is a wife, Baroness is a literal slut, Ex-Baroness is literally getting porked, Secretary is literally getting fucked in the ass, Kitchen maid is a literal slut, The furry chief daughter already said she sucks dicks.

Like ffs people, people fuck.

 

[moonblackhen]

One more bug I forgot to mention:
I accepted the giant rats quest, but did not go to the cellar until it was night. When I finally went down there this happened:

The problem is: There are NO rats anywhere! The pests are not there at night, yet the character still talks like they are there. He comes off as a bit crazy, talking about rats only he can see.

He should make that comment only if the rats are actually there.

 

[Amorous Dezign]

Another issue I forgot. Here:
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Choose “Knead the Dough”, then choose “Help her”. Time changes to night and she vanishes, but the conversation does not end, so you can repeat the whole thing. By repeating that event I went from Monday all the way to Saturday, and even Sunday.
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Also, if I choose “Knead the Dough” and then choose “Fuck her” (and have 40+ relationship) time does not advance. I can repeat it as long as I have lust. Is that intended?

Thank you so much for taking the time to report these bugs. I truly appreciate it

 

[UncleTom123]

I tried to play version 0.11 using my 0.9 save.

If I enter the village in the morning, it will act as if I've already had the sequence involving the fox priest. However if I assist Nixie and the time moves, the J Fox scene plays and the game softlocks, Going in the noon plays the scene normally and doesn't softlock. However recruiting Nixie or Baako just adds two unnamed level 1 characters to my team, which I assume is a bug caused by an older save? The wet bandit fight is pretty much impossible as they can't deal any damage.

 

[Amorous Dezign]

Seriously man we still have to make Kali have sex with lui???!!! What a fucking disappointment, wasn't we going to be able to avoid sharing said character?


And don't lie to me that they didn't have sex because if you talk to Kali about Lui she comments how they have had sex several times, was it so difficult to offer us another way to repair the damn bridge or another shortcut to the hidden village?

Besides that idiot didn't do anything to deserve Kalli.

I'll think of something...but I won't change the storyline. Maybe a few dialogues here and there.

 

[Amorous Dezign]

I think its really weird you all are looking at the entire situation as you are. Kaali literally was already fucking him, she wasn't in a relationship with you, move on or ignore the character after you literally dump her in the cabin.

Basically every other character is being "shared" (I think people's definition of that word in this thread is dumb) already, Eve is a literal prostitute, Liz is a wife, Baroness is a literal slut, Ex-Baroness is literally getting porked, Secretary is literally getting fucked in the ass, Kitchen maid is a literal slut, The furry chief daughter already said she sucks dicks.

Like ffs people, people fuck.

What an interesting observation. so detailed and precise. Thank you

 

[Amorous Dezign]

I tried to play version 0.11 using my 0.9 save.

If I enter the village in the morning, it will act as if I've already had the sequence involving the fox priest. However if I assist Nixie and the time moves, the J Fox scene plays and the game softlocks, Going in the noon plays the scene normally and doesn't softlock. However recruiting Nixie or Baako just adds two unnamed level 1 characters to my team, which I assume is a bug caused by an older save? The wet bandit fight is pretty much impossible as they can't deal any damage.

Yes, unfortunately the old saves don't behave properly. I'm sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[Amorous Dezign]

Happy about the Alexia thing, but not so much the Lui.

The problem is I don't see any reason to give Lui anything he wants. I also don't see any reason to let go a dangerous criminal just to get past a bridge for something that doesn't seem quite that important. I also don't know why I haven't reported Lui to the guards for harboring said criminal. There's no reason to give him anything when there are alternative options. Like how did Fox get past the river to begin with? Why can't I figure that out? He's a geriatric old man and somehow he can cross the river where you - a young man in the prime of life - can't?

Why can't I threaten to turn Lui in to the guards for harboring the criminal if he doesn't build the bridge? Why can't I go to Agnes and ask her if she has any connections to any other guilds that could come and fix the bridge? As @astranabeat pointed out you can build things yourself like that training equipment, putting two planks of wood across the bridge shouldn't be that difficult and serves the purpose for that brief moment.

The problem is you're denying us choice and forcing us to participate in a fetish some of us don't like. Even if that's not your intent, sharing is a fetish and that's the aspect of the situation that's being forced. This isn't like Kaali is already in a relationship, either, you're forcing us to give up a woman to have sex with another guy.

For me mostly, though, I hate Lui and prefer he suffers. He's not Walter, I don't want to ruin Walter's family life because he's a bro. I do want to ruin Lui's life because he's only ever been a pain in the ass. I don't even want to imprison Kaali, I remember that being the evil choice way early on but again I could be mistaken.

Could you please just let me kick Lui's ass to build the bridge? I've been wanting to kick his ass regardless for all the dumb shit he's done. Maybe even make it repeatable after the initial ass whupping? Please? I'll love you forever...

Oh, just curious because I haven't done that yet, but why can't I help them get a kid after telling them the truth? Is that something we can do later in development or nah? I just thought it'd be like a Summertime Saga scenario where you help them out. I don't even need a relationship with Elizabeth, but I'd love to help them get a kid.

Hey man, I hear you but I think you're putting too much logic into things. Some of the events are there just to make a simple in-game challenge. If I were to put logical thinking behind everything that happens in the game most of the events seem downright stupid. No matter what I do, there will be someone saying why can't I do this or why did that happen the way it did. I'm sorry but truthfully if I get bogged down addressing every issue that comes my way, the game will be stuck in the village forever. I'll think of something for Lui, but hey he's not all that bad, after all he does help you renovate your house, shed and Liz's house.
About Walter and Liz, I will probably add the having child option later on, maybe in a separate quest, so you can help them and let them have a house. The thing I'm trying to avoid though is having alternative routes that have the same outcomes!
For example I made the Big Bad Wolf quest to give players the option to choose between one of the girls and I wanted to create replayability, but some players have asked me to make it possible to have all the girls no matter what path you take. What's the point of having different paths if the outcome is the same? Can't players have a go at Kaali in one playthrough and alienate her in another?
I'm sorry for ranting on. I don't want to bore you but I am trying my best, yet I cannot please every one.

 

[Amorous Dezign]

i did not see that cutscene

then you've probably went the other way

 

[Amorous Dezign]

Why I have enjoyed your game, I never bothered to sub to your patreon as I was never really sure the direction your game was going to go. You would make changes if there was backlash and you would also get unfair shit thrown at you for optional things that were avoidable. After explaining why somethings bother people I now know what direction your game is going and it isn't for me personally.

I wish you success

Hey bro leave this chick I love to fuck as payment for fixing this bridge I'm tootally not going to fuck her.

Thank you, I'm sorry you feel this isn't for you. Maybe you will come back to the game in the future and have a better experience.
Cheers
P.S. thank you for your explanations

 

[Amorous Dezign]

There is that dilemma as well, but I don't mind ignoring certain girls. Like Elizabeth, I don't want to do that to Walter or Triss who seems to want to open to everyone. I just dislike the idea of being forced to give something to somebody who I would also like to write off when there's also a feeling that the quest is wasted so easily doing that. I mean, you could really add different alternatives to solving things here and make the player feel more engaged that way. Again, more work, but I think it'll make the game feel more fun.

Maybe my disgruntlement towards Lui prevented me from communicating that way, if so I apologize to Amorous Dezign as I don't want to make him feel worse about something we disagree over. It's just different tastes, but I still think you could add more options to a fair number of the game.

Like Kaali you could offer treatment instead of just imprison or leave to die, maybe make her rethink humans a little in the process. For the river I mentioned you could get Agnes' help to fell a tree or help keep you anchored as you wade through the river, maybe figure out how Fox managed it. For the miller's quest I feel like you could instead help him design something that keeps the wolves away so you don't have to kill them and still get a reward, like maybe go to Nala the bookworm and ask her if she's read about any repellants that keeps wolves away. He has so much room to maneuver, I know it can seem overwhelming, but I think he can pull it off and make the game even more fun in the process.

EDIT: Of course if he doesn't want to do any of this that's fine too. I wish him luck with the game, but it is what it is. Gotta do what you're comfortable with.

No apology needed. Positive feedbacks and comments give me ideas and I build on them. The current Evil/Good path for Kaali became a train wreck the moment my Patreon account was put on hold because of "glorifying sexual violence" and I was at the initial stages of development with very little knowledge of how things were. Fortunately for me, with the help of users such as thevoid089 and Porn_Jesus and others I was able to somehow change the direction and remove the ban from my account. I know some things in the game are far from perfect and I will do my best to address them, but I don't want to keep redoing things to please everyone, because it's really not possible. All things considered, I will review the Kaali questline and see what can be done. People have so passionately ad some aggressively criticized me for NTR content that I have been afraid to add some scenes of Eve (the town prostitute) being gangbanged by soldiers! I mean it's her job! That's how she supports her child and yet I've become reluctant to draw the CG for that!