VN Ren'Py Cinderella's Glass Collar [0.3.1] [Little Glass Interactive]

[swiver]

Just keep in mind that the people you have attracted so far are surely more interested in the BDSM or kinky part of relationships. So far your story has a pretty clear identity. If you add LIs with a more vanilla flavour a lot of your original audience might skip through that content and then start to complain with each update that there "is no new content" even though you might have rendered the live out of your machines and yourselves to create some good "slutty" scenes. That might cause only unnecessary frustration on all sides. All this while the other types of relationships may not attract too many of the vanilla audience. And even if so they might be appalled by the BDSM aspect.

VNs with a clear vision that cater to their target audience are doing the best imho. Because they will get the die hard following that will advocate and defend you till the end.

Just my 2 cents about it.

Regard the mod for namechange you suggested: if anyone of you fine degenerates here really would take the time to sit down and create a mod like that, would it be able to also make a gender/pronoun select? This way I could just pretend Daniel is Trans and - presto- everything is fine again

Cheers!

yeah i for one don't mind change of kinks for different relationships but i do see many ppl attracted to this game because of the bdsm genre so if the devs do stray far away from it, it might lose its target audience . Let's see what the dev comes up with in future updates and then give our feedbacks.

didn't want to say it outright, I guess it can be constructively put... agreed. Can't fully rule out interest since kinkster can be into some aspects of a slut-play since entails corruption and perhaps degradation, but an abrupt departure from the general atmosphere can make the whole thing diluted or stale.

I'm most worried about it not making sense, regardless of kink-genre. The whole thing engine is built on there being this one tempting elementary fetish causing the loss of beliefs, habits and inhibition, like a zap the washed all previous conditioning, The distance of the fall is part of the point and the original height is based on some degree of incorruptibility. But then the more options of corruption (avenues of lust) the less innocent/fastidious she originally was and then the less impressive the corruption...

I am sleepy thoguh.

 

[Little Glass Interactive]

yeah i for one don't mind change of kinks for different relationships but i do see many ppl attracted to this game because of the bdsm genre so if the devs do stray far away from it, it might lose its target audience . Let's see what the dev comes up with in future updates and then give our feedbacks.

Just keep in mind that the people you have attracted so far are surely more interested in the BDSM or kinky part of relationships. So far your story has a pretty clear identity. If you add LIs with a more vanilla flavour a lot of your original audience might skip through that content and then start to complain with each update that there "is no new content" even though you might have rendered the live out of your machines and yourselves to create some good "slutty" scenes. That might cause only unnecessary frustration on all sides. All this while the other types of relationships may not attract too many of the vanilla audience. And even if so they might be appalled by the BDSM aspect.

some of cindy's character development will definitely bleed into the relationships she has with the other characters! she's a natural born bottom, so we'll see that taken into account all the sexy content (like e.g. getting pegged by reilly). its just that through different characters, we get an avenue to explore different types of kink play!

an example we can give is (hypothetically) a scene where juliette takes cindy to a glory hole and makes her serve a bunch of strangers, something that would be out of place for daniel and ada to do (since they'd be a bit too classy for something like that). reilly would have a more gentle variation of femdom compare to ada's approach, which would be more sadistic... stuff like that!

 

[whoabacha]

I miss the times when people just jacked off in silence

You can always complain to your landlord

 

[Cabin]

some of cindy's character development will definitely bleed into the relationships she has with the other characters! she's a natural born bottom, so we'll see that taken into account all the sexy content (like e.g. getting pegged by reilly). its just that through different characters, we get an avenue to explore different types of kink play!

an example we can give is (hypothetically) a scene where juliette takes cindy to a glory hole and makes her serve a bunch of strangers, something that would be out of place for daniel and ada to do (since they'd be a bit too classy for something like that). reilly would have a more gentle variation of femdom compare to ada's approach, which would be more sadistic... stuff like that!

Yeah this is the way that I actually like and find interesting . Not everyone will have hardcore bdsm relationships , then everyone becomes the same . Variety in the degree of severity of bdsm is really a cool topic to explore .As u said, Ada is clearly the traditional sadistic mistress who goes for bondage, choking , whipping , spitting , orgasm denial, slave, slapping face etc . Reilly is more of the lovely soft lezdom who will kiss cindy while she pegs her , maybe she might slap cindy's butt or kiss her passionately but then bite cindy's lips . And jullite seems to be leaning more into the slutty, exhibitionist side where she makes cindy service many ppl or perform acts in front of an audience. That's what's imp. To make sure cindy is submissive and learning to embrace this new side of her with various ppl . As long as there is some sort of bdsm in all the relationships , I don't think ppl will mind . Just want anal sex to be present in all relationships. Personally want to see Reilly double penetrate cindy in the pussy and the ass

 

[swiver]

some of cindy's character development will definitely bleed into the relationships she has with the other characters! she's a natural born bottom, so we'll see that taken into account all the sexy content (like e.g. getting pegged by reilly). its just that through different characters, we get an avenue to explore different types of kink play!

an example we can give is (hypothetically) a scene where juliette takes cindy to a glory hole and makes her serve a bunch of strangers, something that would be out of place for daniel and ada to do (since they'd be a bit too classy for something like that). reilly would have a more gentle variation of femdom compare to ada's approach, which would be more sadistic... stuff like that!

Wonderful! Thank you for the reassurance. I think given this sensibility you really can do no wrong. We're all behind you, capitan!

 

[Dealbreaker]

Just to give one more opinion on that issue because it's a matter of personal sensibilities whcih differ:
I'm always a bit taken aback by safewords in fictional games and I would have welcomed an option here without a safeword. I get it that devs want to be ethical in their games, but why don't we use the possibilities of the fictional world? A safeword always, at least for me, breaks with the premise of control in these games. What is necessary in real life shouldn't be necessary in games. Apart from that I'm sure there are bdsm relationships in real life which don't work with safewords.
So: could we have an option to drop the safeword altogether? Maybe later in the game when Cindy is more confident?

 

[swiver]

Just to give one more opinion on that issue because it's a matter of personal sensibilities whcih differ:
I'm always a bit taken aback by safewords in fictional games and I would have welcomed an option here without a safeword. I get it that devs want to be ethical in their games, but why don't we use the possibilities of the fictional world? A safeword always, at least for me, breaks with the premise of control in these games. What is necessary in real life shouldn't be necessary in games. Apart from that I'm sure there are bdsm relationships in real life which don't work with safewords.
So: could we have an option to drop the safeword altogether? Maybe later in the game when Cindy is more confident?

Yea!

 

[Maviarab]

Just to give one more opinion on that issue because it's a matter of personal sensibilities whcih differ:
I'm always a bit taken aback by safewords in fictional games and I would have welcomed an option here without a safeword. I get it that devs want to be ethical in their games, but why don't we use the possibilities of the fictional world? A safeword always, at least for me, breaks with the premise of control in these games. What is necessary in real life shouldn't be necessary in games. Apart from that I'm sure there are bdsm relationships in real life which don't work with safewords.
So: could we have an option to drop the safeword altogether? Maybe later in the game when Cindy is more confident?

 

[Dealbreaker]

I really like the meme, but are there any arguments on offer as well?

 

[Maviarab]

I really like the meme, but are there any arguments on offer as well?

Glad you like, sure I'll be handing out more over the course of development,.

As you're someone with obviously no experience at all of actual BDSM and the very core basics of it, I'll not bother wasting my time on the 'arguments' you wished for, unless you would actually like me to educate you?

 

[Dealbreaker]

As you're someone with obviously no experience at all of actual BDSM

My whole point was that fiction doesn't have to slavishly (no pun intended) replicate real life. There are no rules and scripts here. A game is not a textbook
And btw take a guess how an actual HR Department would react to this in the first place? We are not in the realm of reality here anyway.

 

[Cabin]

My whole point was that fiction doesn't have to slavishly (no pun intended) replicate real life. There are no rules and scripts here. A game is not a textbook

Still fiction has inspirations from irl stuff . There is a reason 50 shades of grey isn't the best representation of bdsm . Bdsm will always involve certain rules like safewords regardless of how extreme it is .At best like I said the devs could just say that cindy trusts the couple so much that she always does extreme shit , pushing her limits but has never used the safeword just like ada never did with Daniel.

 

[Maviarab]

At best like I said the devs could just say that cindy trusts the couple so much that she always does extreme shit , pushing her limits but has never used the safeword just like ada never did with Daniel.

This is another major issue but I'm prepared to let it go and not even bother mentioning it (except for right now lol).

Any sub or dom that got involved so quickly is not to be trusted, neither would I trust them. She cannot possibly respect or trust them enough to enter a dynamic like this. Neither conversely, can they with Cindy. However, regarding this being an AVN, a VN with it's first 20 chapters focused purely on them getting to know each other and building trust and exploring the extremely important pyschological side first...would make for a pretty dull and boring AVN for the vast majority lol.

I accept that and that's the way it is in porn/AVN's etc so can happily let that particular aspect slide.

 

[Dealbreaker]

Still fiction has inspirations from irl stuff . There is a reason 50 shades of grey isn't the best representation of bdsm . Bdsm will always involve certain rules like safewords regardless of how extreme it is .At best like I said the devs could just say that cindy trusts the couple so much that she always does extreme shit , pushing her limits but has never used the safeword just like ada never did with Daniel.

I get that and I didn't like 50 shades either (on other reasons). But I guess I'm not so much interested in allowing extremes, I'm not even sure I want that for Cindy. But it's the practice of safewords in itself I've always found not appealing at all. Because I see it (totally subjectively) as a contradiction within the concept.
BUT!! I have to give it away freely here and admit it that I indeed have never myself practiced BDSM. So I would like to know how somebody in such a situation a like here in the game (which is not a paid session with a dom in a brothel or something like that) would authentically submit and at the same time knowing he can always say no. This doesn't appeal to me as a viewer, and here in the world of games we are viewers, not practicioners.

 

[Maviarab]

I get that and I didn't like 50 shades either (on other reasons). But I guess I'm not so much interested in allowing extremes, I'm not even sure I want that for Cindy. But it's the practice of safewords in itself I've always found not appealing at all. Because I see it (totally subjectively) as a contradiction within the concept.
BUT!! I have to give it away freely here and admit it that I indeed have never myself practiced BDSM. So I would like to know how somebody in such a situation a like here in the game (which is not a paid session with a dom in a brothel or something like that) would authentically submit and at the same time knowing he can always say no. This doesn't appeal to me as a viewer, and here in the world of games we are viewers, not practicioners.

Look. First things first, to maybe give you a little insight without me writing a 30 page essay on the subject (which I could, if required, been doing this for 30 years).

A dom is never in charge. The submissive is always the one in control and with all the power. A sub submits because they want to, because they trust and respect their dominant. The dom can only be a dom because the submissive allows them too. I'll say right now, i don't care who I piss off, anyone practicing BDSM without explicit safeguards in place is not to be trusted, nor should they be anywhere near the 'scene'.

So yes, a safeword or other such system (traffic lights for example) are of the utmost...upmost importance because even in a 20 year long relationship, there will always be a time where one of the other is just not feeling it, something happens that triggers something, unintentionally hurt etc etc. There has to be an explicit way to stop all action immediately. Immediately.

This goes both ways. A submissive needs to trust and know that their dominant will stop when needed. A dominant also needs to trust and know, that their submissive will actually call a stop if they feel the need to. I cannot stress to you, regardless of how you view it as conflicting how important this is.

It is one of the very core foundations.

(Edit: refer you to my previous post about another major issue that I'll let slide because porn reasons. However, understand, tying someone up, spanking them, calling them a slut, saying stop daddy, a bit of kinky sex....a dom and a sub does NOT make. Dom/Sub is extremely pyschological....far more so than any physical activity and the problem with the current BDSM scene is that there is so much utter shit around in mainstream media that is just completely wrong and does not show it in the best light and is full of misinformation. Hence why so many in the last 10-15 years shouldn't be anywhere it. So the facxt LittleGlass are actually trying to show the right things will always be a plus for me. Fuck that it's fiction, it needs to be realistic as much as porn allows).

/EndRant

 

[Dealbreaker]

I cannot stress to you, regardless of how you view it as conflicting

So you don't see it as conflicting then? Everything you write has to do with safety. What remains of submission in the truest sense of the word? Is it really ALL just a roleplay? Is there no desire to loose control to give up control IN EARNEST? I know and knew already before that it is not advisable or ethical, but there a desires which are inherently unsafe. And in games I want to see these ones acted upon.

 

[Cabin]

I get that and I didn't like 50 shades either (on other reasons). But I guess I'm not so much interested in allowing extremes, I'm not even sure I want that for Cindy. But it's the practice of safewords in itself I've always found not appealing at all. Because I see it (totally subjectively) as a contradiction within the concept.
BUT!! I have to give it away freely here and admit it that I indeed have never myself practiced BDSM. So I would like to know how somebody in such a situation a like here in the game (which is not a paid session with a dom in a brothel or something like that) would authentically submit and at the same time knowing he can always say no. This doesn't appeal to me as a viewer, and here in the world of games we are viewers, not practicioners.

The last point u mentioned is what distinguishes a good writer from a bad one . The ability to show how submissive a person is without breaking the core rules of bdsm like safewords .
It's a common misconception that doms rule or control a submissive completely. No they don't. The submissive is the one in charge . They relinquish control to the doms on their own violation. The safeword isn't just for subs , it's for doms as well . The practice of bdsm is a very delicate thing to balance. One wrong thing and both parties might get scarred for life . I recommend a book " The Submissive" by Cynthia Dane . It wonderfully portrays how extremely submissive, masochistic a person might be , but they are always in control in a bdsm relationship. It also shows the opposite side which u are unaware of , how a vile dominant might take advantage of such a submissive person and make their life hell despite safewords and such . Imagine the horror that might have occurred if there weren't such rules established for such a relationship.

 

[Cabin]

So you don't see it as conflicting then? Everything you write has to do with safety. What remains of submission in the truest sense of the word? Is it really ALL just a roleplay? Is there no desire to loose control to give up control IN EARNEST? I know and knew already before that it is not advisable or ethical, but there a desires which are inherently unsafe. And in games I want to see these ones acted upon.

The devs are already focusing on stuff like hard or soft limits , I don't think they are going for the whole extreme no rule bdsm porn that u might be familiar with in other games where bdsm isnt the core aspect of the story . They want to write a story with sex and bdsm and stories, no matter how absurd need to follow some rules .

 

[Dealbreaker]

I don't think they are going for the whole extreme no rule bdsm porn that u might be familiar with in other games where bdsm isnt the core aspect of the story . They want to write a story with sex and bdsm and stories, no matter how absurd need to follow some rules

I agree regarding the devs, i have the same impression and just wanted to start a trial balloon here (and i don't know yet these other games btw)

 

[Maviarab]

So you don't see it as conflicting then? Everything you write has to do with safety. What remains of submission in the truest sense of the word? Is it really ALL just a roleplay? Is there no desire to loose control to give up control IN EARNEST? I know and knew already before that it is not advisable or ethical, but there a desires which are inherently unsafe. And in games I want to see these ones acted upon.

What you want is akin to slavery. Plenty of VN's around that cater to it. A slave has no voice, no opinion, no rights, no life. Even within BDSM, a Master/slave relationship, the slave (sub) still consents and their are still rules in place. As for losing control, it's no different but there will always be a safeguard and the submissive, regardless of how much they give up...is always the one with the power (and the power to stop it). If that is not the case, then it is not BDSM and it isn't dom/sub and there is obviously little trust and respect involved.

So yes, in a way, it really is all just roleplay correct, if you completely eliminate the pyschological aspect and why submissives actually submit in the first place. To give control to someone else. Now sure, there are varying degrees of this, D/s in the bedroom/sexual only, what is referred to as 24/7, then you have M/s, TPE etc etc. They all come back to the same thing though, which is the thing you're not grasping.

The giving up of control to someone else and that is always voluntary and can be rescinded at any time for any reason. Ever heard the phrase stop doesn't really mean stop? Or, when does stop really mean stop? Hence an explicit, not misunderstood way of communicating (this does not neccessariuly need to be verbal) of actually stopping. I'm personally not a fan of contracts, they are meaningless and utterly pointless (as LittleGlass did a very good job of pointing out, that impressed me a lot) but I still think in a D/s focused VN they did the right thing by showing/mentioning it.

But again, you want a slave VN, where there are little to no limits ans the submissive has no voice, no choice...no conflict...