SpecterX

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I searched the thread and saw that it's possible to play a lesbian only route.
Is it still true? If yes then is the futa content included in it?
 

zilirin

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I searched the thread and saw that it's possible to play a lesbian only route.
Is it still true? If yes then is the futa content included in it?
There is no such thing as "routes" in this game. It has events and quests with sexual content, a small number of which only involve claire + another female. It is in theory possible to avoid any sexual content you don't want to see, if you play Claire accordingly, but that will require specific actions during many encounters, the right stat distribution and some questlines probably must be avoided entirely (I don't think you can play the Sisters of Fertility questline if you don't want to see Futa, for example, since the entire questline is focussed around that fetish).

Overall, this is NOT a game that lends itself to lesbian only content!
 

SpecterX

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There is no such thing as "routes" in this game. It has events and quests with sexual content, a small number of which only involve claire + another female. It is in theory possible to avoid any sexual content you don't want to see, if you play Claire accordingly, but that will require specific actions during many encounters, the right stat distribution and some questlines probably must be avoided entirely (I don't think you can play the Sisters of Fertility questline if you don't want to see Futa, for example, since the entire questline is focussed around that fetish).

Overall, this is NOT a game that lends itself to lesbian only content!
Thank you for the answer.
I don't mind the futa content, just wanted to know if you can avoid sex scenes with only men/monsters, you also answered it and I guess it's not entirely possible if you want to play it as intended by the dev
 

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Thank you for the answer.
I don't mind the futa content, just wanted to know if you can avoid sex scenes with only men/monsters, you also answered it and I guess it's not entirely possible if you want to play it as intended by the dev
I think it's possible if you go full defiance and maybe intrigue? Of course I myself didn't do it that way as my game stands because I wanted to see as many of the lewds as possible heh.
 
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I think it's possible if you go full defiance and maybe intrigue? Of course I myself didn't do it that way as my game stands because I wanted to see as many of the lewds as possible heh.
Yeah, Defiance is basically the 'fight people off' stat in most cases. There's some lesbian scenes available, and a virgin run is perfectly doable as well, though in that case i'd recommend Rathpike before Valos since the things Claire will be facing there have lower stat requirements to successfully avoid.
 
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Yeah, Defiance is basically the 'fight people off' stat in most cases. There's some lesbian scenes available, and a virgin run is perfectly doable as well, though in that case i'd recommend Rathpike before Valos since the things Claire will be facing there have lower stat requirements to successfully avoid.
Yeah I think I found you can have more agency to tell people to fuck off and random potential rape scenes Claire will actually beat the shit out of her assailants though I think that's only the human ones and things like beasts and pigmen encounters is where all that dosen't change anything.

In my opinion if the game was in a far more complete state than it is right now to see the fruits of going full defiance then a playthrough of it would probably be worth it but as it stands from update to update those lewds are more important lol.
 
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True. At least some Defiance is recommended though, in a number of cases (antagonized Valos noble, Gilly in the Prologue, trusting the wrong person at the Rathpike mines, Slime encounter if REALLY low) not having enough Defiance can lead to an outright Game Over.

Fortunately regardless of the outcome the scene is unlocked in the gallery and can be replayed on whatever outcome regardless of stats i believe :)
 

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Fortunately regardless of the outcome the scene is unlocked in the gallery and can be replayed on whatever outcome regardless of stats i believe :)
I'm pretty sure the gallery scenes are still stat dependent for what variation plays. ie if you replay the rain rape scene, you'll still get a different version depending on if you have enough deviance to enjoy it or not.

of course, the cheat menu is always available, so if you're just gallery surfing you can adjust as needed. Though, it would be nice if the scenes told you what variations were available.
 
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I'm pretty sure the gallery scenes are still stat dependent for what variation plays. ie if you replay the rain rape scene, you'll still get a different version depending on if you have enough deviance to enjoy it or not.

of course, the cheat menu is always available, so if you're just gallery surfing you can adjust as needed. Though, it would be nice if the scenes told you what variations were available.
As far as I'm aware, Defiance doesn't govern whether Claire enjoys a scene or not. That is Depravity based. Defiance governs whether the scene actually happens or not.
This is one of the major flaws of the sytem for me so far, because it deprives the player of agency. When your Defiance is high, Claire will automatically fight off certain assailants (in other cases, usually game over scenes, it does not matter). So if you want to see those scenes, you'll have to keep your Defiance low. At the same time, you *need* a high defiance in order to do certain questlines (Mercenaries come to mind), becaue you'll get a straight up game over without it. That means you'll have to find a very specific way to increase your stats to do some stuff, and then decrease them to do other stuff. It's possible, but tedious and counter intuitive.

You could of course argue that this is intentional and you should do multiple playthroughs with a shifting focus on what kind of scenes you want to see. Fine, but not the approach I would take.

I think the system should be change to include both Defiance and Depravity/Seduction in decisions like that.

Example: Claire is assaulted after her waitressing in Valos.
a) Defiance is LOW: Claire can't fight off the attackers. The scene happens, no matter how depraved Clair is. The Depravity will only regulate, whether Claire hates or enjoys the ordeal.

b) Defiance is HIGH + Depravity is LOW: Claire fights off the attackers; the scene doesn't happen.

c) Defiance is HIGH + Depravity is HIGH: Claire gets to choose - she can fight off the atatckers, because she's not in the mood, or she can give in to her depraved urges and let it happen anyways.

Scenarios a) and b) are already in the game, and they make sense. c), however is currently not possible.

With a change like this, agency is returned to the player, based on accumulated stats. It's also more straight forward for the general mentality of an RPG player, where higher stats=better.
 

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That's why we have gallery here. To view bad-ends. So we just have to have defiance only high enough to pass that scenes in game. No reason to make it higher then minimally necessary at this exact point of the game. And things become much easier after unlocking trainers. The only stat needed to be very high is depravity as there's some quests which require it 35+. Other stats are not as sensitive. I think it's ok to have them 20-25.
 

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Yup, like i said, the Gallery gives you the option to choose between different outcomes already.

Take the waitressing example you brought up:

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First time you run into the scene it resolves based on your stats, but the gallery gives you the option to view the different outcomes of it (barring minor variations such as enjoying it or not based on Depravity, for example).
 
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zilirin

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Of course you can always watch scenes in the gallery. But that is not the same as experiencing as seeing them as part of a playthrough. Anyways it's not a big deal overall, because you'll have to use the gallery in any case, if you want to see every single scene in one playthrough due to some of the branching paths.

I just think having more control over Claire's behaviour as a player, when multiple stat checks apply, would be the superior design choice.
 

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I just think having more control over Claire's behaviour as a player, when multiple stat checks apply, would be the superior design choice.
Well, difference of opinion really. I actually prefer the way it's being done because it makes Claire act more consistently with the stats you've chosen her to grow in. And yes, you could add making it a choice, but then again the Gallery is freely accessible at all times (as opposed to an NG+/Main Menu Recollection Room) so it's not like you wouldn't be able to see it without jumping through a few hoops. There's even a Cheat menu to alter your stats in for the different variations.

So yeah, both versions have merit, and to be fair if it were free choice i wouldn't have bat an eye either. But i like it and it seems to have been a deliberate design choice rather than an oversight, so it's all good :)
 
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