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how exactly is it an emotional betrayal if the mc is completely unawares?
Obviously he might learn about it later or depending on the choices. But if he does learn that she willingly slept with someone then it will be a bigger heartbreak compared to her forced to sacrifice her body to save him.
 
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Obviously he might learn about it later or depending on the choices. But if he does learn that she willingly slept with someone then it will be a bigger heartbreak compared to her forced to sacrifice her body to save him.
I guess so.... compared to that....just seems like so much of the potential emotional burn and humiliation is muted in this game by its choice to do everything in separate povs.
 

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What do you mean? If you don't want to watch the two women's povs, you can just choose MC only.
Sure, but then you really dont get much of the story - it seems clearly intended to have both seen. And it's not that I don't want to persay, it's that IMO that's a silly mechanic and makes for a less impactful ntr story. So many better ways to do it - like what if the mc stumbled across security cam footage from the 2 meeting events, etc...
 
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Sure, but then you really dont get much of the story - it seems clearly intended to have both seen. And it's not that I don't want to persay, it's that IMO that's a silly mechanic and makes for a less impactful ntr story. So many better ways to do it - like what if the mc stumbled across security cam footage from the 2 meeting events, etc...
But then wouldn't the story end quick since he would see what Clara is doing? There really wouldn't be a mystery or suspense factor.
 

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Multiple LIs is a bonus but I don't know if will be compex to develop for the dev. Then there are people that will make all the choices that involve Clara doing lewd stuff with all the men. So what kind of ending will such people get?
The easiest thing would be to make some kind of fork in which player, as Alan, has to make a choice( not obvious one, but like "hide intel here - Clara ends up here and Alan here" as an example)

But dev said Clara's NTR is not avoidable. So even if you choose all the choices to prevent her from doing anything with men like Harrison, Gunnar, I think there might be a situation where she will get another man's dick inside her at least once. If that happens, I am interested to know what happens after that. It's a bonus if she willingly accepts that dick since it's true emotional betrayal.
I guess that first time when she will get intimate with someone it will be some kind of reluctant "do or die" situation, where you'll be given a choice to fuck guy X or get a Game Over screen.
If there will be an emotional cheating on her side, it'll definitely not be first sexual encounter.

how exactly is it an emotional betrayal if the mc is completely unawares?
Emotional betrayal isn't some kind of a scandal. And that's not something one may know about.
For example, Guy X dates girl Y. Then, one day Girl Y gets saved by Guy Z and starts to fall for him. Eventually, they kiss and nothing happens ever. But forever since then Girl Y doesn't see Guy X the same. That's an example of emotional betrayal.

What do you mean? If you don't want to watch the two women's povs, you can just choose MC only.
Meh, the guy you've replied to, wants a cuck route. Nothing new)
 

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But then wouldn't the story end quick since he would see what Clara is doing? There really wouldn't be a mystery or suspense factor.
Not at all, it would just require more thoughtful dialogue put in about whether he choses to confront her with what he knows, and how she reacts....lots of open pathways to go from there.
Emotional betrayal isn't some kind of a scandal. And that's not something one may know about.
For example, Guy X dates girl Y. Then, one day Girl Y gets saved by Guy Z and starts to fall for him. Eventually, they kiss and nothing happens ever. But forever since then Girl Y doesn't see Guy X the same. That's an example of emotional betrayal.
Respectfully, I dont agree. That's like a tree fall in the forest and so on. It's a physical betrayal, but to be an emotional betrayal for Guy X, he must be at the very least cognizant of the occurrence.

Anyone who's had a girlfriend who's cheated on them should be able to relate - you didnt feel anything when you were unaware...
 

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Not at all, it would just require more thoughtful dialogue put in about whether he choses to confront her with what he knows, and how she reacts....lots of open pathways to go from there.

Respectfully, I dont agree. That's like a tree fall in the forest and so on. It's a physical betrayal, but to be an emotional betrayal for Guy X, he must be at the very least cognizant of the occurrence.

Anyone who's had a girlfriend who's cheated on them should be able to relate - you didnt feel anything when you were unaware...
Yeah but that destroys the mystery route completely since everything is in the open and game might end early.
 
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Respectfully, I dont agree. That's like a tree fall in the forest and so on. It's a physical betrayal, but to be an emotional betrayal for Guy X, he must be at the very least cognizant of the occurrence.

Anyone who's had a girlfriend who's cheated on them should be able to relate - you didnt feel anything when you were unaware...
Quote from BBC article: Broadly, emotional infidelity describes a situation in which an individual in a relationship develops an important emotional connection with someone other than their partner, in a way that crosses a line without necessarily becoming physical.

Another example: emotional infidelity is your wife(hope it never happens to anyone tho) spending time with another guy, falling for him, but having the decency of never giving in so, as a result, emotional infidelity never turns into physical one.

The peak is when emotional and physical match. And with NTR, it's rarely the case since the female characters don't fall for the other characters, they fall for their dicks.
 
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Quote from BBC article: Broadly, emotional infidelity describes a situation in which an individual in a relationship develops an important emotional connection with someone other than their partner, in a way that crosses a line without necessarily becoming physical.

Another example: emotional infidelity is your wife(hope it never happens to anyone tho) spending time with another guy, falling for him, but having the decency of never giving in so that emotional infidelity turns to physical one.

The peak is when emotional and physical match. And with NTR, it's rarely the case since the female characters don't fall for the other characters, they fall for their dicks.
Look if you dont see it the same way as me thats fine, im not gonna see it that way - as you hinted at; that definition relies on a heavily modernist definition which isnt what actually hurts men.
 
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Look if you dont see it the same way as me thats fine, im not gonna see it that way - as you hinted at; that definition realizes on a heavily modernist definition which isnt what actually hurts men.
Just as last one: infidelity goes both ways. Men can emotionally cheat too)
The point is the cheating itself. Not knowing that signifant other cheated doesn't change the fact that they've cheated.

Anyway, you're talking about something totally different. No point in further discussion, I guess. Have a nice day.
 

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Is there anything substantial in this update? last time I played was when the theater scene was just added
I can tell you my opinion! The hottest moments in the game have happened in the update! During the meeting with Gunnar, Klara emotionally and physically felt that further loss of personal dignity meant complete degradation! Clara is morally depressed and therefore, for the first time, she ended the conversation with Alan with irritation! And finally the cherry on the cake at the end of the update! Clara saw Anna kiss Alan! What will Clara do? She will talk openly with Alan!Will Clara silently leave and shoot herself? Will Clara go to the bar to get drunk and find adventures for her beautiful ass? ...:unsure::eek:
 

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I can tell you my opinion! The hottest moments in the game have happened in the update! During the meeting with Gunnar, Klara emotionally and physically felt that further loss of personal dignity meant complete degradation! Clara is morally depressed and therefore, for the first time, she ended the conversation with Alan with irritation! And finally the cherry on the cake at the end of the update! Clara saw Anna kiss Alan! What will Clara do? She will talk openly with Alan!Will Clara silently leave and shoot herself? Will Clara go to the bar to get drunk and find adventures for her beautiful ass? ...:unsure::eek:
I believe one of the scenarios you described is going to happen 99.9% :ROFLMAO:
 

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I can tell you my opinion! The hottest moments in the game have happened in the update! During the meeting with Gunnar, Klara emotionally and physically felt that further loss of personal dignity meant complete degradation! Clara is morally depressed and therefore, for the first time, she ended the conversation with Alan with irritation! And finally the cherry on the cake at the end of the update! Clara saw Anna kiss Alan! What will Clara do? She will talk openly with Alan!Will Clara silently leave and shoot herself? Will Clara go to the bar to get drunk and find adventures for her beautiful ass? ...:unsure::eek:




Certainly in this scene for Clara there will be even less trust in Alan, the two refuse help and now this is making the rift grow in the couple, I can say one thing though, Alan really does it because he doesn't feel sure of him, not Clara, but for her the thought is very different, it's up to us to choose about the kiss, but that moment that Clara sees added to the rest, well, it will certainly make Clara more uninhibited in the next missions, I believe that this will cause corruption and eventual breakup , one thing leaves me contradicting, the dev had said that the couple could be saved based on MC's choices, but at the same time, he writes that NTR is inevitable, but what means does MC have to avoid this, see Anna's kiss, after we choose whether to correspond or not, but Clara sees the kiss, this is where the contradiction arises.
 
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I want to draw your attention to a very subtle psychological technique of the game developer! The move consists in the ability to keep a pause, despite the fact that we see a simple picture and not a video. To be honest, I was excited because Clara personally saw the moment of betrayal and her face displays the whole list of emotions from surprise to horror of disappointment!But in the next moment, everything will be resolved safely. If she doesn't get too excited, then Clara will be able to see two versions of Alan's reaction to the kiss! Alan is suspending Anna anyway! In this case, Clara's reaction will be more deliberate. But in any case, Clara will constantly feel a chill of distrust towards Alan and pent-up jealousy towards Anna. In the most advantageous position is Leon the special agent dressed as a bartender and trying to please everyone, especially Clara! To be honest, I don't understand why such an interesting game is not discussed enough on the forum, because updates are coming out consistently and often! And there are games that are updated every six months, but they are constantly blah, blah...;):unsure::)
 

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Certainly in this scene for Clara there will be even less trust in Alan, the two refuse help and now this is making the rift grow in the couple, I can say one thing though, Alan really does it because he doesn't feel sure of him, not Clara, but for her the thought is very different, it's up to us to choose about the kiss, but that moment that Clara sees added to the rest, well, it will certainly make Clara more uninhibited in the next missions, I believe that this will cause corruption and eventual breakup , one thing leaves me contradicting, the dev had said that the couple could be saved based on MC's choices, but at the same time, he writes that NTR is inevitable, but what means does MC have to avoid this, see Anna's kiss, after we choose whether to correspond or not, but Clara sees the kiss, this is where the contradiction arises.
Meh, I'd say it's a typical cliffhanger. Clara will leave and won't see what player did regardless of your choice.
They will probably have some kind of discussion about it later, where we'll have an option to confide in about what happened with kiss or not - and that will result in what Clara will do with her next task/assignment.

As said earlier - her getting penetrated for the first time will probably be unavoidable life'n'death choice with someone who either wasn't in the game earlier or Leon, since Harrison and Gunnar are here for specific kinks - dudes like that get a piece of a pie later.

Have my finger crossed that we'll have an option to choose whom Clara will sleep with. And that money/penalty/task system will come in handy.

My playthrough so far has been made that way, that Clara gets to control situation as much as she can, so Harry is the way for me.
At this point, I don't know if I cheer for Alan-Clara happy ending or not.
But definitely not cheering for cumdump ending.

Oh, and I still don't get some points in plot.
There was no clear task given to us during first briefing, unless I misread something - just infiltrate into a company that's Big Bad has already infiltrated in to. And then you find out that the CEO of the company is one of Big Bad's agents. Unless the writing sucks and starts having Deus Ex Machinas all over the place, then Harry with his Femdom kink is a pivotal point of the mission right now.


To be honest, I don't understand why such an interesting game is not discussed enough on the forum, because updates are coming out consistently and often! And there are games that are updated every six months, but they are constantly blah, blah...;):unsure::)
Making this game both FemProtag and MaleProtag oriented could've probably been the right choice. Getting more freedom with Clara's stuff could've attracted more dudes who don't want to fill into NTR niche, but still want to see action
 
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Meh, I'd say it's a typical cliffhanger. Clara will leave and won't see what player did regardless of your choice.
They will probably have some kind of discussion about it later, where we'll have an option to confide in about what happened with kiss or not - and that will result in what Clara will do with her next task/assignment.

As said earlier - her getting penetrated for the first time will probably be unavoidable life'n'death choice with someone who either wasn't in the game earlier or Leon, since Harrison and Gunnar are here for specific kinks - dudes like that get a piece of a pie later.

Have my finger crossed that we'll have an option to choose whom Clara will sleep with. And that money/penalty/task system will come in handy.

My playthrough so far has been made that way, that Clara gets to control situation as much as she can, so Harry is the way for me.
At this point, I don't know if I cheer for Alan-Clara happy ending or not.
But definitely not cheering for cumdump ending.

Oh, and I still don't get some points in plot.
There was no clear task given to us during first briefing, unless I misread something - just infiltrate into a company that's Big Bad has already infiltrated in to. And then you find out that the CEO of the company is one of Big Bad's agents. Unless the writing sucks and starts having Deus Ex Machinas all over the place, then Harry with his Femdom kink is a pivotal point of the mission right now.



Making this game both FemProtag and MaleProtag oriented could've probably been the right choice. Getting more freedom with Clara's stuff could've attracted more dudes who don't want to fill into NTR niche, but still want to see action
That's the only way the situation can unfold unless she wants to escalate things which doesn't seem like her style.

I feel like Harry is creepy in a different way and tricked Clara into thinking she has control before he did a surprise attack on her.

The mission briefing said that Specter is planning something big within a month and that they should help Leon find out Specter's plans and stop them. Harry is just the CEO but he isn't the master obviously. Somebody above, like the board members he often mentions must be the people who control the entire organization.

Clara just has to keep climbing to the top either by using her body or Alan's help.

But I personally think that trying to cater to multiple audiences is a proven formula for plunging a game into disaster. If a game is mean for NTR audience, it should just stay that way. I have seen a lot of devs try to overdo it and get more audience by complicating their game for no reason until the game just breaks and we get stuck in a shitshow.

Right now, I like the way its designed. You play as MC and your choices affect the path forward. If Clara is allowed to make choices then the game needs to be remade from scratch and MC POV becomes useless.
 
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