You have to buy the relentlessness general upgrade for that, then also pay 10 EE on making a commander to use it. Similar to ambush.
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Nope, I haven't even seen that upgrade yet. Description is arguably misleading if you don't know you need a separate upgrade.
''For + 10 evil energy per deployment, your commander will capture chosen who are flying above the battleground."
Its very explicit.
On that note do wish we could reread ability descriptions after buying them, rather than having to go to a file I ain't bought this on
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No, that upgrade hasn't even shown up on my list, I guess I don't have the prerequisites yet. I wasn't even aware it existed, so when I read "Your Commander is an oversized humanoid Demon covered with gaping mouths which allow you to speak your hateful will directly to the Chosen. It will accompany your Demons and lie in wait, allowing you to ambush your target and capture her for four rounds once you give the order, up to twice, even against a flying target.", I assumed that was all I needed to capture flying Chosen.
For the first break, you don't need to get to a specific number, per se; rather, you need to provoke the Chosen into using a specific skill.
In practice, this means you need to approach the third level of circumstance damage (not necessarily in the associated category) during a Surround while using a certain type of attack, which can be seen on the examine screen. So if you want to cause a Morality break, for instance, you need to use (if I recall correctly) either Grind or Pummel, and have done ~5000 Circumstance damage (exact amount depends on how rapidly it's increasing, I believe). Conversely, if you're avoiding breaking her Morality for whatever reason, you need to avoid using those two skills.
As for using commanders, I'd honestly recommend that you avoid using them until you can deploy them for four rounds or so. They don't really earn their keep back before that point, in my opinion.
Yeah, as I said, it's a bug. The game is probably not testing if your commander has the Flight ability properly and always assumes yes. I'm sure the Dev will fix it but, in the meanwhile, you need to buy an upgrade and then buy the ability for your commander. It's a pretty late-game thing, so focus on breaking them for starters.
I did some testing of the new punisher class upgrade for the commander. Its not really working as intended if its supposed to be a scalpel, as suggested. There's no player choice as to trauma selected, and its always paired with its natural circumstance, which of course greatly inhibits the circumstances growth. Since you can't change what it targets in battle, that makes it even worse then the advanced sledgehammer commanders from the defiler and suppressor trees, who at least do damage to multiple circumstances at once and usually boost growth that way.
My suggestion with the punisher class would be to either allow the player to choose the trauma affected, not affect traumas at all, or probably the most balanced solution, temporarily suppress the inhibition effect the paired trauma has on circumstance growth while the punisher commander has captured the Chosen. Another option might be to allow switching from one researched punisher class to another mid-battle, so you can at least build up multipliers then switch to the one you really want. Right now there's no reason to use punishers unless the chosen are broken in already, which doesn't address the problem at all with lack of selective corruption.
My suggestion with the punisher class would be to either allow the player to choose the trauma affected, not affect traumas at all, or probably the most balanced solution, temporarily suppress the inhibition effect the paired trauma has on circumstance growth while the punisher commander has captured the Chosen. Another option might be to allow switching from one researched punisher class to another mid-battle, so you can at least build up multipliers then switch to the one you really want. Right now there's no reason to use punishers unless the chosen are broken in already, which doesn't address the problem at all with lack of selective corruption.
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I've tried this game two times now and it still escapes me. The "tip" section is actually not a tip section, just a pure "game rules you need to remember to actually play anything". walloftextcricitcalyhitsplayer for 9999 damage.
It seems each Chosen is weak to something. You challenge them, hit their weakness. You can surround her afterwards. After this you can choose a secondary type of attack...which barely does anything at all even if you target their weakness (is the ----- part even shows their weakness? sometimes I hit for 50, sometimes for 100...)
Maybe raises their corresponding element by one...which is nothing... in order to break that you would need to deal masssssiiiiiveee damage by basically forcing a multiplier with either Expo or Fear...but by the time you do this the battle ends because their "defense level" increases and you a forced to focus another Chosen....usually I just give up after the 15th day, because nothing happens and you are just trying to buy talents that lets you fight a little longer.
Progression seems to be exponential, meaning that in the first 1-2 hour or so you are just farming up EE to buy stuff that maybe allows you later to exploit the Chosen ones or break them.
Shouldn't the progression be a lot smoother? This feels like that the first actual break you will be able to do is...at like turn 30-36?
Before that nothing really happens it seems.
Summoning a Commander is a complete waste of resources too, even though the talent tree forces you in that direction. Waste 2 EE to...make something go up by lvl 1...even though that doesn't do anything? huh?
As far as I understood- > Overall the gameplay loop is:
Challange Chosen - > Attack Chosen- > Surround Chosen - > Attack secondary weakness of Chosen - > Nothing happens - > Attack another Chosen -> Surround Chosen 2 - > Attack secondary weakness of Chose 2 - > Try to do some multiplication - > Battle Ends - > Collect EE to farm talents - > Repeat.
It seems each Chosen is weak to something. You challenge them, hit their weakness. You can surround her afterwards. After this you can choose a secondary type of attack...which barely does anything at all even if you target their weakness (is the ----- part even shows their weakness? sometimes I hit for 50, sometimes for 100...)
Maybe raises their corresponding element by one...which is nothing... in order to break that you would need to deal masssssiiiiiveee damage by basically forcing a multiplier with either Expo or Fear...but by the time you do this the battle ends because their "defense level" increases and you a forced to focus another Chosen....usually I just give up after the 15th day, because nothing happens and you are just trying to buy talents that lets you fight a little longer.
Progression seems to be exponential, meaning that in the first 1-2 hour or so you are just farming up EE to buy stuff that maybe allows you later to exploit the Chosen ones or break them.
Shouldn't the progression be a lot smoother? This feels like that the first actual break you will be able to do is...at like turn 30-36?
Before that nothing really happens it seems.
Summoning a Commander is a complete waste of resources too, even though the talent tree forces you in that direction. Waste 2 EE to...make something go up by lvl 1...even though that doesn't do anything? huh?
As far as I understood- > Overall the gameplay loop is:
Challange Chosen - > Attack Chosen- > Surround Chosen - > Attack secondary weakness of Chosen - > Nothing happens - > Attack another Chosen -> Surround Chosen 2 - > Attack secondary weakness of Chose 2 - > Try to do some multiplication - > Battle Ends - > Collect EE to farm talents - > Repeat.
Example round here attached. Am I doing something wrong? Like after the initial Surround...what am I supposed to do? Waste rounds? The Defense is waaaay up for anything to happen. You gotta wait for the other Chosen to show up.
Huh...Anyway, if anybody got any advices to clarify this game for me I would be more than happy.
Huh...Anyway, if anybody got any advices to clarify this game for me I would be more than happy.
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Yeah, I want to like this game, and I love the concept, but the gameplay seems to elude me. Maybe I'm overcomplicating it, but if so that's because the game has a myriad of game mechanics to keep track of. But then there are some posts in here that are just like "lolno, just do this, then that, then this, GG you win." And of course it just doesn't work for me because it needs to be way more detailed, including commander types and upgrades.
My experience with the game is basically turtling for 17 days, then finally managing to break a milestone that I thought would advance the game, and then being told the number I need to reach is at least 5 times higher, to start making any progress. It's a game that is based around snowballing, which makes it very unapproachable and beginner-unfriendly.
My experience with the game is basically turtling for 17 days, then finally managing to break a milestone that I thought would advance the game, and then being told the number I need to reach is at least 5 times higher, to start making any progress. It's a game that is based around snowballing, which makes it very unapproachable and beginner-unfriendly.
Generally speaking, I tend to get my first breaks around Day 10; usually, I spend the days before that just making sure that each of the Chosen are generating EE at all, by ensuring they have a few hundred Trauma to burn off.
I don't generally consider Commanders useful at their earliest unlock, but they've very much worth it when you can deploy them for four rounds or so. If you use Pummel and Grind for two rounds, that's enough to get a decent multiplier on all but the most resilient Chosen, at which point you can snowball from there, and it creates enough Openings to get a good six rounds or so on your next Surround when they break free. For best results, though, you're also going to want a second Capture; the first to capture the team's Exposure Girl to add a x4 multiplier to your real target, and the second to target your actual target. This also ensures that you won't have any problems in exploiting your Fear openings.
That said, you are correct about the game having a bit of an exponential curve; it's difficult to do anything at the start, but once they start falling, they start falling hard.
I don't really want to get too detailed, because I don't want to sound like my way is the only way and because it leaves much of the game's content untouched, but...
First, to lay out my personal approach, you need to get Hate and Injury high before you do anything else. Without those multipliers, you're simply not going to get worthwhile Circumstance damage, which is necessary for everything else. It's also key to get someone's Exposure high, as the penalty from Trauma tends to inhibit Circumstance growth otherwise. Pleasure is where the real Trauma growth comes in to play, but you don't want to start it too soon, or Trauma will slow Circumstance growth to a crawl; depending on what stage of the game you're in, somewhere around 1k to 10k is a good range to start Caressing. If in doubt, wait - Pleasure will grow extremely rapidly if Hate and Injury are sufficiently developed.
Accordingly, I would advise using the basic commander until you're dealing with their final set of Vulnerabilities, purely because it can target three types of Circumstance damage right off the bat. It's true you'll be a level or two of Circumstance damage lower than you otherwise would be, but I think the additional flexibility is worth it. The only other one I would really consider is Hunger/Anger, or Hunger/Mania once Detonate comes in to play. Open with Pummel and Grind (start with whichever they're weakest to), then start Humiliate or Caress, depending on whether you targeting Exposure Girl or the Target. At the start, you should begin Humiliate or Caress once Hate and Injury are at level 1, but once you expand your Capture duration, you should hold off until they're at level 2 - or even wait until the followup capture, since they'll have plenty of rounds worth of Openings to exploit.
As far as upgrades go, I would beeline the first two duration upgrades, and the first extra capture; this means picking up all the 1EE upgrades, as well as Patience, Weakness Sense, and the +20% Trauma tech. From there, everything else you need should be visible on the tree; I'm working from memory, so my apologies if I missed one. I say this because you're going to need to start cracking Vulnerabilities to earn EE, - it's necessary both for the direct rewards, and in driving them to more sinful resting actions to increase your long-term income. You can break their minor vulnerabilities without a decent commander, but it's much easier with one.
Once you have those, I'd recommend picking up the next set of techs that extend your extermination meter and evacuation progress; this is generally better than picking up a third capture, especially considering the EE cost of the third capture at that point in the game, but it depends on the Chosen team. Some chosen are just plain too annoying to leave free, like ones with a strong Distract ability. Either way, from there, focus on the rest of the techs that let you fight longer - it's basic, but it works. There are a few fun techs that you should pick up, like the one that lets you immediately start an attack after surrounding, but you can probably use your own judgment there.
Do you have any questions? I'm a bit tired at the moment, so I'm not sure that was all as clear as I intended...
Just follow the basic overview I put in my review; the game is very simple and gives the illusion of being complex, and the tools it gives you are so overpowered (especially commanders) that you can simply bludgeon all difficulty away regardless of anything. Even the newest added mechanics are just mindless grind masqerading as anything more.
You just get a chick grabbable, grab her, then anything you do to the rest suddenly does more. Trying to take out chicks 1 at a time without commanders is a waste of time, doing it when they're in a group quickly snowballs into instantly downing them for 11+ turns. It becomes a game of your patience clicking through meaningless stat checks more than anything else.
You just get a chick grabbable, grab her, then anything you do to the rest suddenly does more. Trying to take out chicks 1 at a time without commanders is a waste of time, doing it when they're in a group quickly snowballs into instantly downing them for 11+ turns. It becomes a game of your patience clicking through meaningless stat checks more than anything else.
...I don't mean to be rude, but that's honestly not very good advice. How you do these things matter, if you want to have any hope of ruining the interview on Day 15 or vacation on Day 30 - to say nothing of whether you want to see the friendship scenes or rivalry scenes. It's also really inefficient - the higher tier commanders are more specialized, not inherently better, and deploying them without consideration for the circumstances will end up with an expensive waste. Deploying a commander is only worthwhile if it breaks a Vulnerability; failing to do so is simply throwing away your EE.
Not to mention that "anything you do to the rest suddenly does more" is simply wrong. That's true if you raise her Exposure level - but only the highest value applies, and doing any sort of other damage to her has no effect on the others at all.
And while I understand that these things are a matter of taste, I also didn't think your review was terribly fair; I wouldn't bring it up but for the fact that your mentioned it here. It doesn't seem like you had a good understanding of the game's mechanics or intent - you complain about how matches ended "arbitrarily", for instance, despite the fact that you are explicitly not trying to defeat them, but rather corrupt them into betraying their ideals. It says right in the opening that killing them would be meaningless, after all.
Relatedly, you never mentioned any of the corruption content at all, just how repetitive the scenes in each round were - but that's not really the point, compared to the various Breaks, how it changes their profile, how their actions grow steadily more destructive and perverse, and how it changes their relationship to those around them. The fights themselves are almost meaningless compared to how the girls can end up giving a concert to your thralls if you play your cards right.
I beat the game 100% within a day or two of first downloading it, my advice is evidently fine. Outside of maybe these day 15/30 scenes I didn't know exist. His question was how to play the game, not how to speedrun it for missable scenes.
Commander 'cost effectiveness' literally doesn't matter very quickly, they more than pay for themselves.
Exposure thing is true although pretty much a moot point once your commander gets beyond a certain point. Like most things in this game. Commander is absurdly overpowered.
You right on arbitary though, that's the wrong word, but I don't know a better word to describe the way fights work in this.
Because, as I said in my review, this game doesn't have enough writing for how repetitive it is.
Commander 'cost effectiveness' literally doesn't matter very quickly, they more than pay for themselves.
Exposure thing is true although pretty much a moot point once your commander gets beyond a certain point. Like most things in this game. Commander is absurdly overpowered.
You right on arbitary though, that's the wrong word, but I don't know a better word to describe the way fights work in this.
The corruption is the entire point of this game, it is simply a given when I am talking about the scenes I already have this in mind. And the scenes resulting from corruption? Very lacking in variation. And most rounds, they don't even do any of the longer ones, maybe because they can only do those once or something. So 99% of the time, the fights play out the same. The girls share most of their mvoes and actions, and really just do X or Y depending on corruption. And the end of fights work out 99% of the time the same.
Because, as I said in my review, this game doesn't have enough writing for how repetitive it is.
Again, I don't mean to be rude, but... The Day 15/30 scenes aren't missable at all - they happen regardless of what you do, with the way the scene plays out depending on the specific ways you've corrupted them. The interview, for instance, can either be a normal, hopeful affair - or you can lead them into saying things like "It doesn't matter if we win or lose, just that we tried!" when asked about how the war will go, or completely shrugging off having murdered someone's husband.
And as for "how to play the game", quite frankly the game is literally impossible to "lose" - I'm not talking about speedrunning, just that advice should take into account the fact the game has more to do with how quickly you do something rather than whether you can do something.
And lastly, Commanders do not pay for themselves. If you spam the Lust commander, you're not going to going to break Vulnerabilities with it, meaning Chosen will never move on to sufficiently sinful actions to produce more than 6 EE a day - leaving you in a never-ending cycle of buying the same commander again, and never getting anywhere with it. If you spam the Anger commander, trying to build enough Trauma to get them to use Detonate (let alone anything else) becomes an experiment in tedium, and you again significantly limit your daily EE gain.
"Just spam Commanders" doesn't work unless you're either lucky, or interested in spending a lot of time waiting around to unlock things. The game is about breaking Vulernabilities, and what commanders you use should revolve around how to accomplish that; using a Defiler to break someone's Core Vulnerability makes sense, though I think there's cheaper ways. Using Lust rarely does.
But my point is that you're focusing on something that is, in my opinion, secondary to the core appeal. It'd be like if I spent the majority of a review complaining about how tedious the waitress side job in Karryn's Prison is - that might well be something that ruined my experience with the game, but it doesn't really tell anyone about whether the game fulfilled its core promises.
It's true that I tend to tune out an action once I've seen a few different variations of it, but each in-game day I'm still seeing new things every day - whether it's from the Chosen indulging in a new sin after battle, a new relationship scene, or in breaking a new Vulnerability. And on each new playthrough, these things take on a different feel when they're done by a confident or cowardly Chosen, or one who's smart or one who's headstrong. The game is absolutely filled with variations, and I don't believe that your review reflected that properly at all.
You'll start tuning out most of the fights, true - or at least I did. But it's very easy to mentally skip to the new stuff, so long as you're progressing at a brisk pace through the game.
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Thanks for reporting this bug. It'll be fixed in the next release.
I appreciate the feedback, but I think I'm still going to put in the ability to get energy from ending the battle early (if only because it's going to replace an upgrade, Augmented Thralls, which has been really lackluster in my experience).
Regarding the text size, I'm going to put in a couple of extra size options next release that will hopefully accommodate bigger and smaller screens.
I just checked and you're correct. It only affects that one screen's display, though - the game still correctly tracks whether or not you've unlocked and added that commander upgrade.
05841035411 gave some good general advice, but I figure I can offer specific advice about that battle as well. I noticed that after that initial Surround, you had a few turns where you couldn't do anything useful, and then by the time you spent your Capture, it was too late in the battle to turn things around. I'd try starting with (1) Slime (2) Surround (3) Pummel (4) Capture (5) Grind (6) Caress (7) either Pummel or Humiliate. The goal here is to make it so that she has at least 5 damage levels between FEAR, DISG, and PAIN so that you can grab her for a long time after doing a quick Slime/Attack -> Surround combo on one of her allies. It looks like you might be able to manage it before extermination is complete, which would let you then grab her again afterward.
Hold on a moment. As was pointed out, you always see the scenes on day 15 and day 30 no matter what. How exactly did you beat the game before day 15?
Then that just means I saw the scenes and they were so unremarkable I don't even remember them.
His wording of '' How you do these things matter, if you want to have any hope of ruining the interview on Day 15 or vacation on Day 30 '' suggests you get an alternate scene if you do well enough early on or something.
If its just a matter of GETTING to those regardless, I literally don't think its remotely possible to fail, at all. The game doesn't actually have any loss state I've noticed.
My furthest save in terms of days is on day 44. I also have a few around day 30 from trying dif girl combos to see if it makes much of a difference.
Also what do you mean ''beat the game''. Far as I'm aware, the ending isn't in yet. Its impossible to lose or win. There's a point where it goes ''ayyo you can cheat now'' but the game doens't end or anything. You don't win.
And hell thinking on it, he probably means the scenes where the interviewer is like ''Hello booby lady, how r u'' and booby lady is like ''fuck everyone and everything'' and then they cut. Something like that. It interviews each girl one after the other.
Not sure what the vacation is, only thing like that I can remember is them clothes shopping, but it spams that all the time, not just on day 30. Same scene with little to no difference with corruption.
I'm talking about the writing. The only aspect of this game I would actually consider good and the core reason I have this thread checked. The writing is really fucking good.
As for commanders a decent one costs like 59 or so at end game. That is absolutely trivial to recoup.
In a quick 5 min round just now I regained 150.
I spawned in, grabbed the first chick with commander.
Passed turns.
Examine once she was free, clicked the thing with the biggest bar (pain in this case)
Grabbed her when the second chick arrived, clicked her biggest bar
Grabbed her
Repeated
Sodomize, duel inseminate for 29 turns, spend all my commander charges on the third chick just for her to escape almost instantly and fly on the same turn she escapes
I could have easily got more EE by saving commander for when the other two were free in hopes grabbing her would break one of the others for more free grabs. But I have no reason to. I've seen all the text before. Once they start flying, I can't even see the actual really hot scenes (the + stuff) without letting them win and starting a new round anyways, since only commanders can grab them out of the air and they don't fuck more than one chick at a time. I don't see the round end scenes unless they win either, which is where the hotter corruption that isn't just repeating the same strip tease line every other turn are found.
I don't get how you would ever struggle with EE with commanders or be at a loss with them except when you literally just unlocked it, in which case you are close to upgrading it anyways.
Early on you just do the same thing but less extreme and maybe having to hit multiple big bars instead of one, because the matches end really quick and sometimes girls can take until its almost over to end if you don't restrain the first one early.
And then you get commanders.
And its super easy going from that point on.
The corruption IS in the writing. And it is lacking. Not in quality, but in quanity. Something which should be remedied once this gets the 'final battle' the blog mentions and isn't an endless game where you scale into infinite and can't really lose ever.
As I said in my review, I give its poor mechanics a largely free pass; its not what I'm here for. With exception to the new 'just let the girls striptease until a bar reaches 1k' awful commander mechanics. I haven't gone back and adapted the review for those, because they were literally just added and may be tweaked to be less bad.
As for breaking vulns, you literally just examine and start spamming X thing rather than Y, I got those all done like I was going through a checklist. The only one that took any actual time, effort or real thought was one
My girls on day 44 are completely broken in every aspect, pregant, drained, parasited and... whatever the other one was. And each of these had a different text for all 3 of my girls. Which was good. But most of the time its just like
>Floppy mgbig tits doesn't like people but BAM RAPE
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>Tiny tiddies likes people but BAM RAPE
Same scene, with the x's changed for y's.
Not much of it actually changes in a meaningful way based on the girls personality, and the girls are also very lacking in personality variance, I have 5 saves and they largely all have the same 3 girls under different names.
You get the nice one, the bitchy one, the cold one.
Huh I guess you can't add comments on reviews so this is kind of on-topic.
Still doesn't feel like so much of the thread should be about my review though.
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