Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 58] [CSDev]

[~sky~]

It is not that important to total break them on your first because it doesnt really matter. It is very important to total break them WITH forsaken because some of them become stronger by doing so (for example that investigative hypnotist will deal more pleasure damage for hypnotising chosen. vanguard the memorable harvester will make his victim stronger when she transform into forsaken)

total breaks may make the forsaken easier to dispatch because it reduces the evil energy cost , but you can also reduce it by disgracing them

thank you. i was having trouble to total break them while trying to avoid messing up the distortions. I basically never used suppresors and defilers since it breaks the distortions of other chosens. i only used a punisher upgrade once for rogue.

 

[fenyx]

thank you. i was having trouble to total break them while trying to avoid messing up the distortions. I basically never used suppresors and defilers since it breaks the distortions of other chosens. i only used a punisher upgrade once for rogue.

Total breaks make them liable to lose in the final fight , but if you are already distorting them, you can win without doing a total break .
A totally broken chosen loses x% resolve by the upgrades attack+, slime+,expose+ and threaten+, but a distorted chosen loses resolve differently, so you dont need to totally break anything

Totally broken chosen also generate more evil energy, that may not be needed either

I also used to juggle many distortions. Unless they are prebroken, its better if you do the same distortion in all 3 chosen.
Some distortion are compatible, for example megalomania is compatible with Aversion because you can penetrate them both

Aversion is also compatible with Negotiation because you can sodomize both , and with Despair because again you can sodomize both

But there is a trick: If they dont hit 10.000 the punisher wont work, so you can use a punisher that sodomizes, and as long as the damage is under 9999 it wont break

There is also another trick: If you use "orgy" as punisher, it doenst count as punishing

(for example you have somebody with the distortion temptation, and anoter 2 with rampancy and aversion... you can penetrate the 2 latter, and "orgy" the first and the distortion will not count as broken)

 

[NilTide]

So, how are people approaching the Love fight? Her trauma vacuum paired with the devils' downtime blockers put a crazy barrier on EE generation, so I can't ever take my foot off the gas without losing all progress. I don't know how I'd make any progress without my Demon Knight Undead, but even then I'm often stuck just treading water with EE generation.

 

[NilTide]

So, how are people approaching the Love fight? Her trauma vacuum paired with the devils' downtime blockers put a crazy barrier on EE generation, so I can't ever take my foot off the gas without losing all progress. I don't know how I'd make any progress without my Demon Knight Undead, but even then I'm often stuck just treading water with EE generation.

As is becoming a theme, I managed a breakthrough right after posting this. It's possible to slam her into a decent EE range before the first devil shows up, and then do the same with the 1st devil before the 2nd. With proper timing of a decent Hate/Injury forsaken (mine's an undead Ambitious Underling allowing for manipulating surround duration to trigger a good orgy) and the purchase of the EE bank strategic advantage, I was able to deploy to break vulnerabilities and get EE, grab Networked Consciousness, and deploy again for a strong orgy that pushed them all into good midgame EE range.

 

[NilTide]

CSdev Bug Report: Spared forsaken are being sent to the wrong group.
Load the first save "City15-training".
Scroll to the end of the forsaken list and retire both Hunger and Retriever.
The description will say they will both join the entertainers, but they will actually both join the Worshipers.

 

[fenyx]

So, how are people approaching the Love fight? Her trauma vacuum paired with the devils' downtime blockers put a crazy barrier on EE generation, so I can't ever take my foot off the gas without losing all progress. I don't know how I'd make any progress without my Demon Knight Undead, but even then I'm often stuck just treading water with EE generation.

Im still not in Love, I decided to start anew because I barely won against Judgement, and My best forsaken got destroyed
I got to loop 10 and won against Splendor and now i have 15 days to train

 

[aumhs]

If I'm reading the new information for Reign correctly, then the " begin with 10000 <DAMAGE_TYPE> damage" items will be extremly good when she first shows up. (but only the first time)
Get other vulnerability types broken on her first, and then when it becomes too difficult to break anything else on her use the item to break 2 more vulnerabilities.

 

[SuperSkippy]

I know I'm late reporting to this thread, but Release 59 is out.

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[TheFakeOne23]

In the latest version, downloaded last night, I get to the body customization step when creating a custom chosen squad (not under campaign), and then it suddenly freezes and I can´t progress or go back, also the buttons disapper if I change the size of the window, last line I see is about their attitude towards denial (along with the body settings). So far it´s happened twice with both the .jar and .exe version each.

 

[TheFakeOne23]

I went ahead and checked a few of the previous versions and have encountered the exact same issue with both 58c and 57c, the latest version to not have this issue is 56d, which I suppose means that the issue has something to do with the added "attitude towards denial" during customization.
This issue doesn´t appear during creation of a single chosen via campaign, only when creating an entire team via the first page "Customize".

 

[damicles]

How do I activate cheats on the new version.

 

[fenyx]

How do I activate cheats on the new version.

Pretty easy, at the start before loading or starting a new game hit options, to the left is cheats. If its not there hit "C" on your keyboard

 

[deviantartaaa]

Tomorrow's newspaper is very good, but it kind of takes the fun out of the upgrades, making so many of them just... literally pointless since you already have them

 

[NilTide]

Alright, I'm back in the same boat I was before. I cannot for the life of me get an angel to use Twisted Reward. Tried Defiler+ and Orgy. Tried short surrounds and long. Tried mid-battle and late-battle. Tried ensuring Pleasure was her highest circumstance. Have verified that Invitation to Heaven is not active at the time. How on Earth do I get her to actually use it?

EDIT: Dug around in the code and found that I was simply underestimating what we meant by 'highly-damaged'. Just need to pump one of her allies up to 100G of a single Trauma by the end of the surround.

 

[fenyx]

Alright, I'm back in the same boat I was before. I cannot for the life of me get an angel to use Twisted Reward. Tried Defiler+ and Orgy. Tried short surrounds and long. Tried mid-battle and late-battle. Tried ensuring Pleasure was her highest circumstance. Have verified that Invitation to Heaven is not active at the time. How on Earth do I get her to actually use it?

EDIT: Dug around in the code and found that I was simply underestimating what we meant by 'highly-damaged'. Just need to pump one of her allies up to 100G of a single Trauma by the end of the surround.

that should be a 9 or 10 turns orgy

 

[NilTide]

that should be a 9 or 10 turns orgy

Normally perhaps, but with Angel and other Chosen effects and adaptions and high damage mitigation, it took a full day, a focus-fire commander, and many re-attempts to tweak the configuration. But I pushed through eventually.

 

[Shasou]

You know i just gotta say i love when games do what CS is doing with Reign, it's difficult to put this into words because it's one of those things that game devs have to really sit down and plan it ahead first before actually start implementing it. In games we have enemies, mini-bosses and bosses. With bosses and mini-bosses we usually get the weak-point approach where the boss will end up having an opening where the player will either have to use one of the game's already implemented and (sometimes) refined mechanics, parry or perfect parry or charge this or whatever else. It's rare to find a game that goes and tries to actually have a boss that actually behaves like one instead of being overpowered, incredibly big and/or a literal bullet-sponge.

I love the approach with Reign because here you're dealing with an enemy that will not behave like one of your other enemies or bosses in terms of mechanics, they share similarities but if you go and treat Reign as a normal boss battle you might be setting yourself up for a toe-smack. I love variety when it comes to bosses, i don't mean to say that the examples i cited here are bad, they're good setups for bosses, but i love seeing bosses that trick you into believing that they're using the same interface and system as all the other bosses. You guys remember Psycho Mantis? I thought it was really awesome how that boss used non-conventional means to trick you. The interface showed you a boss health bar and everything, first timers would go in and treat it like a really tough boss, but it was a boss with its own bag of tricks that didn't behave like you expected at all.

I'm really excited to see Reign in action, this is the kind of boss that i really get excited to see how the dev's gonna be setting up the bag of tricks for the player to try and figure out.

 

[Loki_viese]

get stuck here. also there's another bug where devil chosen in this loop keep rollback her t1 break for some reason. (the line up is angel+devil+undead loop 23).

also here the save file too.

 

[yeahyah]

Mine is not much but it's not my thing, so I forget to enable it sometimes. You can set options so that Chosen can become pregnant, get time-accelerated so that the babies grow up and are also Chosen, then fight them. Also sometimes your Forsaken get impregnated by Demons and the baby grows up and is born overnight. Also there's the "sacrifice" option but all of that is kind of lategame tbh. It's a very small part of the game I would say.

CSdev A few ideas:
1) If you turn a chosen through specific distortions and they should be able to become pregnant before morality break, and if they join you willingly, eg: temptation, recruit (via megalomania), negotiation (?Haven't gotten one of these yet) have their children become forsaken or commanders themselves. The more consensual the pregnancy (eg: approaching a tempted chosen versus battle surprise sex with a tentacle monster) give special combat/non-combat buffs/debuffs to them.
2) Change impregnation process from after break to a chance Split between "regular" (Thralls resulting in regular children via inseminate) vs special commanders (rarer) vs approaching chosen (and maybe showcase a bit more of the mental realization by the mother?).
3) Defiler commanders with the impregnation punisher results in combat capable children (eg: Expo defiler->"Human" with mass of mechanical tendrils for stripping clothes and implanted camers into their skin/body)
3) Maybe some sort of subversive action/intel user decisions with the more human offspring (but not former chosen) to effect the current runs chosen (eg: Sponsor people to break into their homes and rape them, post their photos on major websites, become of leaders in the orgs to mess with chosen etc).
4) Chosen "counter intel" gameplay (?) which tries to track down the mother/child and eliminate them, reverse of a regular battle so you have to defend long enough to escape unless they get imprisoned/killed (maybe a special retrieval missions within a time frame). Makes deploying forsaken a bigger risk to EE cost.

I got a freeze as well. I beat the first single play classic run, was inspecting a forsaken and then the game froze. Afterwards the game wouldn't load, launching the exe just leads to an empty black screen. If I remove the save file from the folder it does load, sans the saves of course. Attached the save file for diagnosis purposes.

If you use the forsaken for someone reason and you are forced to exit due to crash it permanently corrupts your save.

Additional bugs:
1) The pleasure defiler turning clothes into tentacles has a partially finished sentence at high corruption for the "Pleasure up" notification.
2) Duplicating forsaken through saves (eg: final battle win, and reload save before ) will break the chosen, you can visit them in private chambers despite them not being forsaken.

 

[TheFakeOne23]

Hmm now that you say that, it does feel like the impreg/preg content currently there, is a bit half-baked considering how devastating/dangerous it´s described by the chosen and the military, hope we could get a bit of an expansion in that direction.