ooooh yeah, frankly I dont really know why sometimes chosen do 5 ee actions and why sometimes its only 2.
When I looked at your screenshot I saw both of them in the same "millions" that is why I didnt catch what you meant
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When I looked at your screenshot I saw both of them in the same "millions" that is why I didnt catch what you meant
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It would be nice if it was clarified in a guide somewhere about rules for EE generation, cause 2 Devils and Reign give me 2 EE combined while I go into 100K and 1M trauma...Just cannot break it
Actually Downtime actions are explained in the
If you already have breaks and they are still not generating the energy, it maybe a bug. Unless you are getting "Greater sins imminent" on the downtimes.
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. I am assuming you already know this but having 2 devils makes the third chosen choose a lower action than the devils so first you have to break the two devil chosen before getting any energy from Reign.If you already have breaks and they are still not generating the energy, it maybe a bug. Unless you are getting "Greater sins imminent" on the downtimes.
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Yeah, I'm pointing at 2 devils being totaly unaffected by trauma...I'll try again maybe I'm missing something, certainly a hard comp to break. And then I'll celebrate by making more species chosen! Whoever I'll find next...
To win against Reign...Is it enought to defeat her companions or do you need to also take her resolve down to 0?
Im figthing her, started preparing her for aversion and decided to skip her t1 moves and go directly for sodomize and impregnate and that 1/100 reduction damage is quite the hurdle
Im figthing her, started preparing her for aversion and decided to skip her t1 moves and go directly for sodomize and impregnate and that 1/100 reduction damage is quite the hurdle
You just have to defeat her companions. I think even if you break her resolve she will flee instead of being defeated(Never tried myself). Also if you are having trouble triggering aversion just try a 4 Damage type commander(Inseminate/Drain/Expo) and make sure to get Reign last. Should be enough.
Btw does anyone know how Reign's rampage trait interacts with rampage forsaken? I am assuming you don't get any extra damage from them since if you did Undead Ramapagers would be kinda op.
It is unspent EE so rampagers should receive no extra power
edit: nah, impossible in my case, reign is with an undead and it didnt let me get that 70ish e.e. needed for the commander
I was also tempting the other two so it is still impossible to not destroy their distortion
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You can start an orgy without t2 breaks. Just put the other two on Broadcast+ or Orgasm+ and then add Reign, it won't break the distortions.
I guess you don't have Newspaper? 200 is enough energy to get all relevant upgrades and send a 80ee commander. Might wanna try getting one chosen on Rampage though for the easy +30 ee generation ( Undead Rampage trait is also good at dealing with Splendor motivation drain)
I never play with newspaper, I usually start with the 10.000 disgust item , I know you can start an orgy with t2 breaks but if you have 2 chosen in tempt and you want to do aversion... whatever defiler you use will break at least 1 distortion, either from reign or from the chosen (because the second chosen caught or the third will hit 10.000 and inmediately be broken)
I was fighting reign, a normal chosen and an undead chosen, I was able to inmediately tempt them both and break morality and confidence, but I was unable to earn enought e.e. to pay for the 4 damage types commander and it would have broken at least 1 of the tempted anyway, because I tried a 3 damage commander and it was enought damage to hit 10.000 in the second
That is a problem I find with the demon commander as opposed to the forsaken: the forsaken let you choose if you want to use a defiler or not, the commander just auto uses it (and it is not even really useful at all because you still need to hit 10.000 damage anyway)
Anyways I defeated her by defeating her allies, I couldnt avert her, maybe it could have been possible without the undead one with my current build, but I didnt fight any animalistic yet and didnt have my forsaken trained to deal with animalistics so...
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Well with 1/100 reduction and core dignity I doubt Reign would reach level 3 in expo( She didn't in my playthrough). A Broadcast/Drain/Plea commander would probably have worked.
No such commander. The one that sodomizes +expo would break one of the other ones, the one that does hate+expo doesnt have either drain or pleasure
Suppressor: Plea, Defiler:Broadcast and Punisher: Drain should work imo.
If you don't mind can you share the save file? I would like to give it a go.
Has anyone have any experience with Fruit of Knowledge (1/2 forsaken costs)? I see that it directly reduces the EE cost on the menu:
But for punisher progress, does it affect how the chosens see as a "powerful" forsaken (as for animalistic CON T3 or devil DIG T3)? From just experience it seems to correlate perfectly with EE costs, with 9EE being the lowest I have gotten to still have triggered the adaptation.
Also Fruit of Knowledge does not stack favourably with Broken Psychometer, my dreams of a 0% disgrace forsaken for 50EE are shattered. The way its worded did imply that it doesn't work, and so far the dev seem to has worded everything quite precisely, but I was still hoping. Aldo given that the wording is "forsaken costS, it's weird that the EE cost is halved in the menu but the stamina and motivation costs are not reflected:
Also fenyx if you don't mind can the save be at the start of the loop/at city selection? I am curious as well.
But for punisher progress, does it affect how the chosens see as a "powerful" forsaken (as for animalistic CON T3 or devil DIG T3)? From just experience it seems to correlate perfectly with EE costs, with 9EE being the lowest I have gotten to still have triggered the adaptation.
Also Fruit of Knowledge does not stack favourably with Broken Psychometer, my dreams of a 0% disgrace forsaken for 50EE are shattered. The way its worded did imply that it doesn't work, and so far the dev seem to has worded everything quite precisely, but I was still hoping. Aldo given that the wording is "forsaken costS, it's weird that the EE cost is halved in the menu but the stamina and motivation costs are not reflected:
Also fenyx if you don't mind can the save be at the start of the loop/at city selection? I am curious as well.
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sure.
Slot 7, reign - Day 11 [Loop 6: Sprawling Slum] [Loop Complete]
I could maybe restart it, but at the moment of the discussion, I was fully into day 20ish
the save start at choosing undead .
what I do to get the e.e to get started is just to make sure at the next day I will be able to use cheer and use the orgasming item on the core disgust chosen. If done right it generates around 9 e.e. (you can get focus and the 1e.e cost in around 4/5 days)
Cheer is good enought to either force orgasm or broadcast by herself in one or sometimes even 2 chosen
If I remember correctly I had both chosen tempted by day 11/20 (and oneof them maybe by day 6)
To impregnate and sodomize reign I used undead prayer and... I dont remember who to sodomize her (not in that order, I sodomized herfirst)
Slot 7, reign - Day 11 [Loop 6: Sprawling Slum] [Loop Complete]
I could maybe restart it, but at the moment of the discussion, I was fully into day 20ish
the save start at choosing undead .
what I do to get the e.e to get started is just to make sure at the next day I will be able to use cheer and use the orgasming item on the core disgust chosen. If done right it generates around 9 e.e. (you can get focus and the 1e.e cost in around 4/5 days)
Cheer is good enought to either force orgasm or broadcast by herself in one or sometimes even 2 chosen
If I remember correctly I had both chosen tempted by day 11/20 (and oneof them maybe by day 6)
To impregnate and sodomize reign I used undead prayer and... I dont remember who to sodomize her (not in that order, I sodomized herfirst)
Without looking at it too deeply, it seems that no orgies happened and all EE came from tempts right? Looks hard to play from the day 30ish saves.
If I had to play it, I would be pretty sure that after the 2 tempts (assuming day 11), Cheer can force an orgy at Reign at 0 break, then next day break Reign to reset her angst, and get another orgy with Reign at 1 break, and then break her second T2 (day 15). That should get you to enough trauma to start T3s and hopefully get T4s to get maybe 101EE/day after day 20ish? (a bit less than 100% punisher progression per day, use Paladin to get it quicker), which guarantees that you can get big 4-type commanders at the end every day as long as the angst lasts. Just have to ensure to NOT tempt the chosens to avoid nuking their angst; with the T3s broken the chosens will get to high PLEA by themselves in the final fight anyways.
This obviously means that the entire loop would need to be replayed, and I am not even totally sure that what I suggested quite line up in terms of angst, since the orgies won't be that long with just Cheer, though maybe Stigma at lower disgrace can get a long enough orgy for the Ts?
Not sure how your first days are but no chosens sacrificed can delay you a bit, and every day counts vs. Undeads. Though if you used Orgasm in a Can on day 1 its less relevant.
Pretty sure Reign + undead is the worse version of the Reign fight at loop 7 though, generally one doesn't quite have the acceleration needed to get day 5 tempts yet and Reign's bullshit pretty much forces a long loop which makes the undead so much worse. Other things that might have helped (which have long term ramifications so I don't know if that's reasonable for what you want to do) would be taking Potable Portal at the start which can help to set up better orgies and avoid the undead, or to not skip loop 6 to try to get a Hardworking Publicist-punished forsaken before the fight.
If I had to play it, I would be pretty sure that after the 2 tempts (assuming day 11), Cheer can force an orgy at Reign at 0 break, then next day break Reign to reset her angst, and get another orgy with Reign at 1 break, and then break her second T2 (day 15). That should get you to enough trauma to start T3s and hopefully get T4s to get maybe 101EE/day after day 20ish? (a bit less than 100% punisher progression per day, use Paladin to get it quicker), which guarantees that you can get big 4-type commanders at the end every day as long as the angst lasts. Just have to ensure to NOT tempt the chosens to avoid nuking their angst; with the T3s broken the chosens will get to high PLEA by themselves in the final fight anyways.
This obviously means that the entire loop would need to be replayed, and I am not even totally sure that what I suggested quite line up in terms of angst, since the orgies won't be that long with just Cheer, though maybe Stigma at lower disgrace can get a long enough orgy for the Ts?
Not sure how your first days are but no chosens sacrificed can delay you a bit, and every day counts vs. Undeads. Though if you used Orgasm in a Can on day 1 its less relevant.
Pretty sure Reign + undead is the worse version of the Reign fight at loop 7 though, generally one doesn't quite have the acceleration needed to get day 5 tempts yet and Reign's bullshit pretty much forces a long loop which makes the undead so much worse. Other things that might have helped (which have long term ramifications so I don't know if that's reasonable for what you want to do) would be taking Potable Portal at the start which can help to set up better orgies and avoid the undead, or to not skip loop 6 to try to get a Hardworking Publicist-punished forsaken before the fight.
you saying that because orgy doesnt do any break on reign? because she automatically escapes on breaks (and clears everything)
Orgy as an action does not count as a Provoke/Torture/Force Orgasm/Broadcast, so it will not break T2s and trigger Reign's ability; you would just need to make sure Reign's the last one to enter the orgy.
I kinda forgot how much ee you actually save by having newspaper. Decided to play from the start of loop for the challenge since I usually play on easy mode with Newspaper+ 5 energy undead tempted Forsaken with 900% trauma damage.
Was able to get aversion and all breaks on the other two by day 20. Could have maybe done it earlier if I did an early orgy like Yddrasil said. I figured out I could do an orgy while maneuvering Reign (Who had been t2 Morality break) a bit later on. Anyways here's the save file at different points in my run.
So, a better strategy for reign is to break her backwards, starting with an orgy, to break t3 and move your way back to t1 etc
I wonder if the creator considers the game balanced around newspaper or not, most of the time when you guys say "i did x before day x" baffles me
With newspaper you can save from 7 to 12 days easily
My best run that went up to 14 or 17, was when I added 1 normal, 1 superior and 1 undead notorious publicist forsaken, my second best run was with 2 hardworking and 1 notorius undead
If so, Wow, colour me impressed.
I wonder if the creator considers the game balanced around newspaper or not, most of the time when you guys say "i did x before day x" baffles me
With newspaper you can save from 7 to 12 days easily
My best run that went up to 14 or 17, was when I added 1 normal, 1 superior and 1 undead notorious publicist forsaken, my second best run was with 2 hardworking and 1 notorius undead
I admit I was getting a lot of tunnel vision because I didnt want to restart the work, were you even able to tempt the other 2?
If so, Wow, colour me impressed.
Im reviewing the save, you have a skill I just dont -_-
day 6 one of them tempted and the other one already with the 2 breaks is impressive
edit : 16 ee used on upgrades by day 6 means you perfectly got e.e from each forsaken as they appeared?
edit2: I tried doing the second orgy, it was...impossible. at 1/1000 damage plus the extra reduction from the undead even the 4 type commander didnt bringer over 1000 damage
The maneuver forsaken also does less than 100 so im lost
day 6 one of them tempted and the other one already with the 2 breaks is impressive
edit : 16 ee used on upgrades by day 6 means you perfectly got e.e from each forsaken as they appeared?
edit2: I tried doing the second orgy, it was...impossible. at 1/1000 damage plus the extra reduction from the undead even the 4 type commander didnt bringer over 1000 damage
The maneuver forsaken also does less than 100 so im lost
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