Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.14] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[mrttao]

See, I don't get this. To me, it seems like you're defaulting anyone who doesn't explicitly say otherwise to instantly monogamous and being disappointed when they aren't.

Atugia isn't really super into you. She's not your girlfriend, as far as I know she never says she loves you, you and her don't really establish as of yet any deeper connection than having sex and being friendly with each other...and everyone else in your party meets those same qualifications.

Azzy's entire introduction establishes that she's part of a hive, and she feels cut off when she's not around large amounts of people. The whole reason she latches onto you in the first place is because she's desperate for any kind of companionship since she can't be near everyone in her hive.

Imo, it's easier and makes more sense in the setting that''s been established to assume everyone is down for casual sex with different partners as the default and not the other way around. The people who aren't generally explicitly say so, like Brienne and Kiyoko.

The very first character in the game, Cait, comes with a massive detailed in depth disclaimer that she is going to sleep around and won't do monogamy because she is a temple whore.
Not "everyone in the world fucks everyone", but "this specific primary NPC is a rare exception"

Thus we are immediately informed that Cait is for Cucks in a way that implies that most NPCs are not that way.
Moreover there is the implication that we will be explicitly warned about it in advance. Thus people get blindsided when it turns out that this was all a lie and in fact all the characters in the game are that way, and the Cait disclaimer is a joke on the player.

CoC2 is suffering from a classic "designed by committee" / "too many cooks spoil the broth" syndrome.
well, that and also the devs throw tantrums and "punish" the players when people argue with them on discord. Or punish each other via shitting on each other's characters. (see Brienne NTR)

 

[mrttao]

Aileh had zero family content on release. Nothing suggesting it or pointing towards it. For a long time, she was just a demon you could bang that hung out in the Wayfort. "Wholesome family content" got added in Mayternity. Out of the blue, for no reason at all.

But noone's complaining out that despite being "out of the blue".

1. You yourself called it wholesome, obviously there will be less backlash on adding "wholesome" content to a character compared to adding a niche, extreme, highly polarizing fetish.

"suddenly out of nowhere, scat and snuff was added" - will get backlash
"suddenly out of nowhere, hand holding was added" - is fine.
And that is a good thing. I should not have to explain such basic "how to human 101" to a real living human being.

2. was there any indication that Aileh is supposed to be an NTR only character? Because the complaint was not merely "content came out of the blue", but rather "content came out of the blue and drastically altered a character to go against their initial premise"

 

[undyingrevenant]

well, putting aside all the phantom pain



for the time being, what's everyones favorite class? i've experimented with all of them but not sure which i really prefer. tanks are always fun to see how tanky you can get, especially with the new-ish combat changes. aoe nuke assassins or mages are pretty good. white mage seems like the safest bet however because if you replicate caits starting set, ie one heal and the rest damage with stuff like blinds or ailments, you seem to be able to have the most party variety and swapping abilities is useful for them to be able to change between damage elements or more healing etc. generally healer companions have dps kits so you dont step on many toes, seems to have the best potential on higher difficulties, and their passive to heal themselves while healing anyone else is simple but imo one of the strongest.

 

[liinh]

gonna pop in real quick to ask smth. ik u can marry some characters (uhh ahmri for example?) who all can you marry? or atleast like.. seriously date? i've been poking around the wiki but a lot of it seems outdated.

 

[mrttao]

well, that and also the devs throw tantrums and "punish" the players when people argue with them on discord. Or punish each other via shitting on each other's characters. (see Brienne NTR)

To expand about this a bit.

Brianne: fan favorite NPC waifu.
WSan: writer who wrote Brianne.
Savin: lead dev
Tobs: another author.

> Tobs: "hey wsan, I want to write a relatively wholesome scene for Brienne"
> Wsan: "no, I want to be the only one writing her"
> Tobs: *flips his shit at being told no*
> Tobs: *secretely writes completely different scenes for Brienne than what he originally asked to do, degrading NTR scenes designed to ruin her. Hides it from Wsan, it gets quietly merged into the game by Savin*
> months go by
> Wsan gets complaints about the sudden tone shift for Brienne.
> Wsan deeply disturbed, exposes the whole thing. Demoralized, not sure what to do.
> Wsan says its too late to remove the scenes and after consideration he decided to not quit.
> Wsan asks savin to lock Brienne so only he can write new scenes for her
> Savin: Hey wsan buddy, can I get an exception to the lock. I want to write a scene for Brienna.
> Wsan: No, I want to be her sole writer
> Savin: Throws a public tantrum, explicitly stating it is over that refusal, saying Brienne is "dead to him".

This game development team is extremely dysfunctional and toxic.
And it perfectly explains why we are seeing the issues we are seeing with the game.
The writers are literally sabotaging each other over the slightest slights

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edit:
timeline is a bit backwards. see clarification here
https://f95zone.to/threads/corrupti...0-savin-salamander-studios.11371/post-8771880
which suggests savin was more malicious than I initially thought when making this post

 

[muschi26]

gonna pop in real quick to ask smth. ik u can marry some characters (uhh ahmri for example?) who all can you marry? or atleast like.. seriously date? i've been poking around the wiki but a lot of it seems outdated.

You can marry Ahmri, Kiyoko, and Livrea (bard in Khor'minos), with Brint/Brienne being in the works IIRC.

For "date seriously", it depends on what would satisfy you: I'd say Aileh might be the closest to what I think you might be looking for, but there are a bunch of other characters who could fit that description. You can become Etheryn's consort, you can get Rindo to be your concubine, you can get pretty close to Cait (though she still sleeps around, of course)… Byvernia's content seems to be leading up to you confessing to her (not implemented yet).

 

[MoneyMan181]

gonna pop in real quick to ask smth. ik u can marry some characters (uhh ahmri for example?) who all can you marry? or atleast like.. seriously date? i've been poking around the wiki but a lot of it seems outdated.

Brienne, Senja, Valencia, Atani, Ahmri, Etheryn, Kiyoko, Aileh, Kasyrra, Drifa, Ragnild, Brienne's sister and mom(planned), Serena(she has feelings for you but it's never given a label). All of them have romance though the degree varies to each character. I'm not sure about any male characters since I don't interact with that.

Personally I think Valencia and Rags have the best romance because they feel pretty organic and it actually takes time to get to know them and get close to them. You'd think from a text-only porn game, most romances would seem natural but a lot of them just have the girl love you out of nowhere. Brienne, Kiyoko, Atani, Ahmri, and Kas all just profess their love to you out of the blue, it's pretty jarring.

 

[Kroenen12]

gonna pop in real quick to ask smth. ik u can marry some characters (uhh ahmri for example?) who all can you marry? or atleast like.. seriously date? i've been poking around the wiki but a lot of it seems outdated.

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[Wrynn13]

well, putting aside all the phantom pain

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for the time being, what's everyones favorite class? i've experimented with all of them but not sure which i really prefer. tanks are always fun to see how tanky you can get, especially with the new-ish combat changes. aoe nuke assassins or mages are pretty good. white mage seems like the safest bet however because if you replicate caits starting set, ie one heal and the rest damage with stuff like blinds or ailments, you seem to be able to have the most party variety and swapping abilities is useful for them to be able to change between damage elements or more healing etc. generally healer companions have dps kits so you dont step on many toes, seems to have the best potential on higher difficulties, and their passive to heal themselves while healing anyone else is simple but imo one of the strongest.

I really enjoy my tanky spellblade, and thief dual wielder. The totally not a lightsaber paired with the sacred gladius does a unholy amount of holy damage, especially if you have the holy damage buff spell as well.

 

[Daken9]

Well Nihara is supposed to fill that niche. The goo-cat girl that nobody seems to remember exists. And that's because she's written by TOBS and has his usual bullshit of not actually sexy writing. I think TOBS even wrote she feels like an elder sister. Fucking crying shame he wrote her, because she has an amazon position scene and I can excuse a LOT of things when you've got something like that on a girl. But TOBS writing just aint it, man. Idk how he makes a character from an archetype I'm in love with and then manages to make me not enjoy it at all.

There really is a ridiculously small amount of just straight up femdom content. The only other character that comes to mind is the new cow lady in the KM baths which is nice, but I'd still prefer something that didn't feel so... impersonal. Like you show up there to be her toy like it's some kind of business transaction, just kinda rubs me the wrong way. Such a shame that almost any content where the PC gets dommed it has to involve dicks. I REALLY wish Brienne had a sort of playful caring dom side to her since it'd fit so well with her character design but we can't have everything I guess.

In the least tarded timeline Tobs is really just a consultant coming up with character concepts and/or has his work heavily edited to cut out the superflous shit.

Didn't even know about this character because i stopped engaging his content at around wolfmom, but i can believe the idea was good. Ragni is cool too, but then she gets lost in the essay. Kinu and Rindo even, but pseudo intellectual shit. Gweyr and Komari, born dead, but that's because instead of going for the married wolfmilf or the prim gilf-in-charge, we go for nonsensical adventure->family reunion and Miko and Mai (generic girl #23948230 and #23948231). Because muh fantasy novel. Like you said, worst thing happening to those characters is that it's Tobs writing them.

Three, Aileh, Kiyoko and Zo.
But I think I'm the only one who remembers Zo exists, and that's just because she's Brooke 3.0 and I liked Brooke.

The endless blocks of prose just killed her for me. Mute is fine, but give her sign language or smth to simulate dialogue. Not even a dig, that shit just gets tedious and doesn't sell the budding relationship at all.

 

[Jötunn123]

Brienne (and arona but that's not important) is my fav companion but I will admit that her feelings for the Player character make zero sense, especially when you turn Brint instantly into her after getting him as a companion.

 

[liinh]

ohhh i am excited for drifa marriage.. glad that'll be a thing. she's so pretty. hoping they'll eventually add some dude marriage in just to make things a bit even.

 

[Shiro15]

well, putting aside all the phantom pain

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for the time being, what's everyones favorite class? i've experimented with all of them but not sure which i really prefer. tanks are always fun to see how tanky you can get, especially with the new-ish combat changes. aoe nuke assassins or mages are pretty good. white mage seems like the safest bet however because if you replicate caits starting set, ie one heal and the rest damage with stuff like blinds or ailments, you seem to be able to have the most party variety and swapping abilities is useful for them to be able to change between damage elements or more healing etc. generally healer companions have dps kits so you dont step on many toes, seems to have the best potential on higher difficulties, and their passive to heal themselves while healing anyone else is simple but imo one of the strongest.

I mainly played white or black mage. This is mainly because more than half your party options are physical attackers. My white mage is probably the one I played the most only because I almost never use Cait, as her and Quin are the least interesting characters to me and I try to have a somewhat balanced team. Also if you play white mage all you really have to do is support Brint/Brienne and they can do enough damage to beat most fights. My team was usually Brin and Berry or Atugia and Etheryn. Everyone else chilled at the frost hound as Arona is essentially Brint 2.0 with a less likeable personality as far as I can tell. I will admit Arona's content has gotten better over time, but I still prefer Brin over her. I don't care about the bird chick. Kiyoko didn't really seem better than Berry, but I've been using her more often since he's gone now. And I don't think I've ever used Quin in battle. I heard Azzy could be as tanky as Atugia. But, I prefer redheads over blondes.

But honestly the combat system in this game is pretty garbage imo. I don't really have to consider my builds to often. As the game doesn't have to many things to consider. The main debuff I see is disarming, which usually doesn't matter if you're a mage. Occasionally you'll run into someone who will try and seduce you, but that's it. And when you play on the higher difficulties the difficulty seems really artificial. I honestly think TiTs has the best balanced combat of the series, while still being pretty simple. And CoC1 has the most freedom, but because of that freedom some areas can be a pain in the ass as certain builds might not work to well. But, once you get late game in CoC1 it becomes a power fantasy with you bullying most enemies.

 

[Daken9]

Brienne (and arona but that's not important) is my fav companion

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Going back a few posts, would honestly trust Wsan with a Brienne/subArona threesome, 'cause he gets where the focus should be hence his threesomes for both characters being honestly pretty great, but then again you throw domArona and the risk of Savin cucking it all up into the mix and it's probably best that shit just stays on lock.

Fuck me if in the least tarded timeline idiots aren't also enjoying subby orc bullied by midget and his cow tho

 

[Shiro15]

In the least tarded timeline Tobs is really just a consultant coming up with character concepts and/or has his work heavily edited to cut out the superflous shit.

Absolutely agree. Pretty much all of his ideas started off promising in my opinion. I honestly liked Kiyoko at the beginning, and interacting with child Kinu was the most impactful part of the game for me. I know the choices with Kinu are a binary, but the same could be said about pretty much ever other choice in this game. But then you get to the Kitsune den and all the freedom goes away, and everyone there hates you. Plus the writer thinks you're a creep for wanting to spend time with you child.

I honestly wonder what Tobs childhood was like, if they believe parents wanting to take care of their children is creepy. Like you have games like the sims where more than half the content is built around taking care of something.

 

[Kuritzkale]

> Tobs: "hey wsan, I want to write a relatively wholesome scene for Brienne"
> Wsan: "no, I want to be the only one writing her"
> Tobs: *flips his shit at being told no*
> Tobs: *secretely writes completely different scenes for Brienne than what he originally asked to do, degrading NTR scenes designed to ruin her. Hides it from Wsan, it gets quietly merged into the game by Savin*
> months go by
> Wsan gets complaints about the sudden tone shift for Brienne.
> Wsan deeply disturbed, exposes the whole thing. Demoralized, not sure what to do.
> Wsan says its too late to remove the scenes and after consideration he decided to not quit.
> Wsan asks savin to lock Brienne so only he can write new scenes for her
> Savin: Hey wsan buddy, can I get an exception to the lock. I want to write a scene for Brienna.
> Wsan: No, I want to be her sole writer
> Savin: Throws a public tantrum, explicitly stating it is over that refusal, saying Brienne is "dead to him".

Assuming this is even a little bit accurate, this behavior is like, insane, right? I assume most people who actively support the game don't know this happened? This is the kind of thing that would IMMEDIATELY make me reconsider backing a dev team that is THIS dysfunctional. How can you even say a character is dead to you when you are the LEAD DEV for the game that character is in?
And that argument between the Quinn writer and a couple of people in the discord, Savin just saw all of that and just let it happen and then GETS INVOLVED THEMSELVES? Like wtf? Isn't it your job as the game director (or whatever tf savin is) to step in and NOT allow that kind of behavior? The thought of how good this game could be if it was lead competently and how we'll never get that is really sad. And savin has to be 30+ right? And they act like such a child?

 

[mrttao]

Assuming this is even a little bit accurate, this behavior is like, insane, right? I assume most people who actively support the game don't know this happened? This is the kind of thing that would IMMEDIATELY make me reconsider backing a dev team that is THIS dysfunctional. How can you even say a character is dead to you when you are the LEAD DEV for the game that character is in?
And that argument between the Quinn writer and a couple of people in the discord, Savin just saw all of that and just let it happen and then GETS INVOLVED THEMSELVES? Like wtf? Isn't it your job as the game director (or whatever tf savin is) to step in and NOT allow that kind of behavior? The thought of how good this game could be if it was lead competently and how we'll never get that is really sad. And savin has to be 30+ right? And they act like such a child?

Yea, it is a dumpster fire.

Also I went ahead and edited in screencap citations for the savin tantrum
Someone posted the screencaps for the tobs vs wsan thing a couple weeks ago so they might take more effort o find right now than I have patience for.

hmm, actually looking at the dates. I might have gotten the order of incidents mixed up. which would be even worse as it means savin was intentionally sabotaging fan favorite waifu when he helped tobs merge the drek scenes.

 

[Julles Ra]

I'm assuming the new Quin and Tui interaction is just the PC getting cucked again? If so, I'm not even gonna bother updating the game for a few months again

 

[Tau_Iota]

Yea, it is a dumpster fire.

Also I went ahead and edited in screencap citations for the savin tantrum
Someone posted the screencaps for the tobs vs wsan thing a couple weeks ago so they might take more effort o find right now than I have patience for.

hmm, actually looking at the dates. I might have gotten the order of incidents mixed up. which would be even worse as it means savin was intentionally sabotaging fan favorite waifu when he helped tobs merge the drek scenes.

From what I gathered, it's about like this with how Savin handles his team.

 

[Tau_Iota]

I'm assuming the new Quin and Tui interaction is just the PC getting cucked again? If so, I'm not even gonna bother updating the game for a few months again

No it's a platonic scene I believe