Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.29] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Evizzy89]

That's for nextgame, not this one iirc. Tobs doesn't get to do kitsune 2.0.

If I recall correctly that conversation was more about how kitsune were like a full third of the game, which I can't imagine didn't hurt the variety and scope of the game as a whole.




Weebs.

You ever tried to read a light novel?

this popped on on my amazon preview thingy.

I am a behemoth, and I get mistaken for a cat and I live as an elf girls pet.

 

[Zerorox]

That's not yet all my frustration...
6788 patrons
32 659 bucks/month
Really? WTF?

 

[Evizzy89]

That's not yet all my frustration...
6788 patrons
32 659 bucks/month
Really? WTF?

TiTS


7,401
PATRONS
CA$46,513
PER MONTH

CoC2


6,788
PATRONS
CA$42,090
PER MONTH

they make some decent bank for how little they actually release IMO
dont get me wrong I enjoy both games and play them a couple times a month
but for 40k a month I would personally expect more =P

 

[Shiro15]

TiTS


7,401
PATRONS
CA$46,513
PER MONTH

CoC2


6,788
PATRONS
CA$42,090
PER MONTH

they make some decent bank for how little they actually release IMO
dont get me wrong I enjoy both games and play them a couple times a month
but for 40k a month I would personally expect more =P

I'm assuming that doesn't account for steam sales either. I'm getting critcal bliss and yandere dev vibes after seeing those numbers. I know that money is getting split amongst multiple people, but with that much money they should be able to work full time on this, and have more content pushed out.

 

[Evizzy89]

I'm assuming that doesn't account for steam sales either. I'm getting critcal bliss and yandere dev vibes after seeing those numbers. I know that money is getting split amongst multiple people, but with that much money they should be able to work full time on this, and have more content pushed out.

I know of yandere dev, but I have never heard of critcal bliss, is that another game developer?

Ive just always been surprised about how much these two games make, mostly because its text based and I assume there is less involved in updating it (I dont know anything about codes or developing things so)
It feels like creating scenes would be easier to do, pictures are minimal and usually very simple in design like its just writing it out...which once again doesn't take very long


its really not that much different from a hentai doujin right? the foundation is there so I assume adding a new character along with a few paragraphs of dialogue shouldnt be too difficult especially since as you said there is multiple people

but im just ranting because im bored and waiting for my lasagna <_<
no real complaints since im not super invested in this game >_>

I am honestly curious how much work it takes to create a new character or scene if anyone knows :3
(Like actual work say, putting in a 8 hour day grind) like someone who has to work for their paycheck

 

[Kroenen12]

Berwyn (HugsAlright)= Poly
Berwyn (B) = ?
Eltheryn and Atugia = false, poly.

 

[M0nte]

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Berwyn (HugsAlright)= Poly
Berwyn (B) = ?
Eltheryn and Atugia = false, poly.

Do people know what poly means?

 

[Shiro15]

I know of yandere dev, but I have never heard of critcal bliss, is that another game developer?

Ive just always been surprised about how much these two games make, mostly because its text based and I assume there is less involved in updating it (I dont know anything about codes or developing things so)
It feels like creating scenes would be easier to do, pictures are minimal and usually very simple in design like its just writing it out...which once again doesn't take very long


its really not that much different from a hentai doujin right? the foundation is there so I assume adding a new character along with a few paragraphs of dialogue shouldnt be too difficult especially since as you said there is multiple people

but im just ranting because im bored and waiting for my lasagna <_<
no real complaints since im not super invested in this game >_>

I am honestly curious how much work it takes to create a new character or scene if anyone knows :3
(Like actual work say, putting in a 8 hour day grind) like someone who has to work for their paycheck

Critcal Bliss started on Newgrounds. They announced a game my Neighbor is demons, so it was supposed to be a VN hentai game about a super horny college who scared off her boyfriend because she was so horny. After that these two demon twins move in next door and try to get her to embrace her horny side. It got announced like 5 years ago. Never came out despite meeting its kick starter goal and having a patreon. From my understanding the artist randomly abodoned the project. They still publish games, but still haven't released the original project.

But, yeah like you I'm only mildly invested. But since I work as an editor, when I see stuff that's kind of lacking, I like to think about how it can be improved. Honestly thinking about how the game could be improved is the most fun I've had with any of the content since first trying it out.

 

[Shiro15]

It's a bit more than a hentai doujin and certainly mone than a few paragraphs.

For instance, some numbers I recall off the top of my head, Noire, the sheepgirl from the baths, was 200 pages. Tatsuya, the male Kiyoko type character Jstar was working on, was commissioned at 20k words ( but is quite a bit longer, apparently).

We had this discussion a month ago, and I found a website that had a bunch of both professional and semi-professional authors on it, and most of them recommend doing around 1000 words per day.

So a month to write a very basic character with few to no variables, a month for review and editing, and another month to make it through the coding queue - three months from farm to table?

Note: I'm 100% guessing, I have no expertise, just what I've observed from being around these games for awhile.


From what Ive read, part of the issue is with visibility of the content. A character that accounts for a bunch of variables and differences might have a scene that's 200 words but took 300-400 to type because of the parsers they work with. So often it can look like there's less there than there is.

The last thing I wrote professionally came out to about 12kwords. I wrote it over the course of about 2 weeks. (It might've been about 9 or 10 days.) If you include the editing and waiting for feed back in total it would have been about a month start to finish before it was published . So, I would agree with your estimate.

 

[Daken9]

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Berwyn (HugsAlright)= Poly
Berwyn (B) = ?
Eltheryn and Atugia = false, poly.

Arona = poly, just kinda fucks

Ryn = as monogamous as Champ wants

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Most of them but Azzy and maybe Brint aren't even poly, they're just either turbosluts like Cait or just kinda fuck around.

 

[hater45]

It's a bit more than a hentai doujin and certainly mone than a few paragraphs.

For instance, some numbers I recall off the top of my head, Noire, the sheepgirl from the baths, was 200 pages. Tatsuya, the male Kiyoko type character Jstar was working on, was commissioned at 20k words ( but is quite a bit longer, apparently).

We had this discussion a month ago, and I found a website that had a bunch of both professional and semi-professional authors on it, and most of them recommend doing around 1000 words per day.

So a month to write a very basic character with few to no variables, a month for review and editing, and another month to make it through the coding queue - three months from farm to table?

Note: I'm 100% guessing, I have no expertise, just what I've observed from being around these games for awhile.


From what Ive read, part of the issue is with visibility of the content. A character that accounts for a bunch of variables and differences might have a scene that's 200 words but took 300-400 to type because of the parsers they work with. So often it can look like there's less there than there is.

You say 3 months yet it takes 5x longer due to them not having the best coder(s) around. It took Gedan YEARS to do space combat in TiTs. The problem is that when your team consist of friends you are not hard on them so they don't produce content that is either up to a standard or delivered on time. Look at Dizzy, she done for months but the team sat on doing the JS conversion for a long time for ???? reason when everyone knew that flash was going to die.

 

[Biostar]

Weebs.

You ever tried to read a light novel?

Plenty. None of them were as boring as the Kitsune stuff. Even the most trashy, wish fulfillment ones.

 

[Biostar]

Also, in any case, comparing a coder for an amateur porn game to an AAA programmer in the first place seems a bit unfair.

How many years and how much money does it take to make someone not an amateur anymore? I think we're well past that excuse.

 

[Noone202]

Well, a quick google search pulls up...around 80k a year, from several sources, for a single programmer. So certainly more than the ones of this project make.

As for years...dunno? Technically I think someone is a professional when working a job that requires a degree or equivalent experience.

So does TiTs and CoC count as "Equivalent experience" or do we need to get a GoFundMe page and send the Devs a porn creation scholarship into Harvard to get their degree?

 

[Evizzy89]

So does TiTs and CoC count as "Equivalent experience" or do we need to get a GoFundMe page and send the Devs a porn creation scholarship into Harvard to get their degree?

Equivalent experience means either, 1. Hours Worked or 2. Money Earned

for example,
my highschool instead of getting your grade 12 education, you instead could get a job - your hours worked then could be transferred to credits towards graduation

alot of work places accept 'Equivalent experience' over degrees or education

 

[BlacJak]

It got announced like 5 years ago. Never came out despite meeting its kick starter goal and having a patreon. From my understanding the artist randomly abodoned the project.

Yeah, the artist, Lasterk, had

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so they had some complications with that, but they disappeared again some time early 2019.

 

[Shiro15]

If the team for CoC 2 is working on this game full time, then I would say their output is kind of slow or at the very least mismanaged. Which since this started as a two man project, and they are constantly having artistic direction conflicts that has seen at least two people leave the project (I only know that Berwyn and Eryka original creators left) I can't imagine them working in the most efficient way.

It should be noted that most indie games only have 1-3 writers. I know most indie games aren't a text based porn game, but it seems every reoccurring character in this game has their owner writer who is working specifically on that character. This is honestly a terrible idea imo. It would honestly be a nightmare to write character interactions or give the characters a meaningful role in the games story. This is probably why every character feels so disconnected from the main story or don't really interact with the other party members unless you're having a threesome. This is basically the equivalent of playing the telephone game.

But hey who cares its just a porn game. It's not like its a product that is being funded and bought by other people. Oh wait...well I didn't buy it.

 

[zwagon]

If most of the fans seem to like it and Tobs is just writing to please his yes men. Then fine. I don't mind being in the minority in this case. I think the kitsune stuff is mediocre at best. I kinda wish it was more meaningful to interact with them, as the Kitsune content seems to be the only thing ever getting an update.

Don't fool yourself, Tobs writes for himself. For a long period of time, he refused to be a paid member of the team.

 

[ankhtar]

I suppose Kiyoko fans can just be glad that she isn't as adored as Brienne, otherwise Savin would also want to put his cucking paws on her.
That's not a purposeful typo for once, I mean it literally.

 

[Kroenen12]

Do people know what poly means?

uhhhh in real life?
No
Me dumb

ingame?
Poly= open relationship/fuck around
"Monogamy and polygamy are equally accepted among the minotaurs; it is not uncommon for a female to couple with multiple males or for a male to have a 'harem' of multiple females, though many pair and remain monogamous for life."