Kallisto

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I'd say B passed the one companion rule since he's currently writing Berwyn and Agni who's a pheonix bard companion. Also Wsan in a sense that Brint/Brienne are like completely different characters.
I'd give Wsan a pass (not just cuz he's my favorite writer on the team) because Brint and Brienne can't exist at the same time. So while he's technically writing two companions, he's not actually bloating the companion roster - which seemed to be one of Savin's main issues when he made that rule. And B was essentially given Berwyn after Hugs got das boot, kinda doesn't seem fair that he misses out on his own creation because of picking up someone else's slack.

Anyway none of this actually matters because Savin has 3 companions he's writing for so...lol.
 

Mandoto

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Yes.

Did you like it?
Well, if I was Savin or a member or his team, I would certainly like releasing a negligible amount of content for a decent paycheck every month. If I were one of the poor souls paying for that content I would be disappointed, but as a dirty pirate I will continue to benefit off the backs of others and make fun of the management.
 

ankhtar

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Man, the more we come to interact with the gods, the more I come to despise them (though maybe that's intended?). There's something about repeatedly being told that whatever happens is all just "amusement" and "entertainment" to them that really grinds my gears. It's getting to the point where I hope, at some point, we'll have the option of siding with Kas (not redeeming her, just straight up join the demon side) halfway through the story and ruin the world forever just to spite them, see how amusing they find that.
Although admittedly, reading the last few pages of this thread has been discouraging, I was unaware there were this many issues going on with the game behind the scenes. It's making me a bit skittish about supporting it.
 

qorl55

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Hold on, was this update seriously just a sex scene with Brint/Brienne's mom (can't re-enter their house or interact with her or Rina after this scene currently by the way), a short introduction to the main city, and a couple of backlogged busts being placed?
The whole milking barn is more than just busts being shown. There's like 8 sex scenes in there.
 
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SoulBurner77

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Hold on, was this update seriously just a sex scene with Brint/Brienne's mom (can't re-enter their house or interact with her or Rina after this scene currently by the way), a short introduction to the main city, and a couple of backlogged busts being placed?
The 4.19 patch was last week. I don't know how much more content you expected in this time frame.
 
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Mandoto

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The 4.19 patch was last week. I don't know how much more content you expected in this time frame.
I am exceedingly merciful with most smut games when it comes to content per release, but when the smut content is usually a few paragraphs of text occasionally accompanied by a single image, I do expect a bit more honestly, even weekly. During it's prime TiTS (Trials in Tainted Space) another Fenco game, was putting out a fairly hefty update bi-weekly. So please forgive me for expecting a dev that makes at least $40k a month across Patreon and Subscribestar to have competent and timely coders.
 

qorl55

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I am exceedingly merciful with most smut games when it comes to content per release, but when the smut content is usually a few paragraphs of text occasionally accompanied by a single image, I do expect a bit more honestly, even weekly. During it's prime TiTS (Trials in Tainted Space) another Fenco game, was putting out a fairly hefty update bi-weekly. So please forgive me for expecting a dev that makes at least $40k a month across Patreon and Subscribestar to have competent and timely coders.
I dunno I feel like you're underselling the amount of content offered to the public (eventually) for free. Whether that's good for 40k, well...I'm not a patron. I'm relatively satisfied with most updates especially since I'm not paying.
 

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I dunno I feel like you're underselling the amount of content offered to the public (eventually) for free. Whether that's good for 40k, well...I'm not a patron. I'm relatively satisfied with most updates especially since I'm not paying.
If you're satisfied with that then, good for you. It still does not negate the validity of their complaint, being that for an entity as big as Fenoxo.com they really should be putting a lot more per update than the current drip-feeding they're doing now. Especially when they've already proven that they can pull it off multiple times in the past. Hell, even when I first heard of CoC2 almost 2 years ago, the updates were always something to look forward to since the content added was actually substantial.

Sure, you can make the argument that perhaps that ballpark figure of $40k a month does not translate into direct profits for Savin and Co. due to taxes and wages that need to be paid, but you cannot deny the fact that they are definitely making enough bank to have a team of writers and coders on their payroll, which should translate to faster updates and/or more content. They are milking the patrons for what they're worth and most certainly not giving two shits about the freeloaders (public build users). The less said about people on forums like this, the better lol. They hate us.

This is also made painfully clear with the existence of much smaller devs that actually roll out updates consistently and with loads of content. A few names that come to mind are TwistedScarlett and ArcGames. While their games aren't some 'epic' massive text-based smut project (Renpy, RPGMaker), the fact that they can even roll those updates at all is impressive. Especially the former since the updates not only come in very frequently but each update containing new features that add on to the game without feeling like feature creep, I genuinely am worried for their health.

I'm not saying that big entities like Fenoxo.com shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt, just that you have to understand that their status and wealth means that they are put at a much higher standard than that of smaller creators. If a small dev can pull off what they did not even a few years back, what's stopping Fenoxo.com from going above and beyond that?
 

enumate

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I dunno I feel like you're underselling the amount of content offered to the public (eventually) for free. Whether that's good for 40k, well...I'm not a patron. I'm relatively satisfied with most updates especially since I'm not paying.
For context, let's look at other games with a similar budget and the number of years they have been in development.

I can't think of any off the top of my head, but generally even among indie games making a few grand a month the content is fairly plentiful. However, CoC2 is falling into the same ballpark that Breeding Season and it's hollow successor have. Where the amount of money coming in is so plentiful and the team making up the project is so unprofessional and mismanaged that you end up with a project that would have been taken down or rushed either by the fans or producer.

However, the issue we have here with the content is less about how much there is but the quality. You have some areas that are more developed and some with barely any development. In a normal project you'd have teams churning out content for these areas so instead of focusing on one, we have it being built up solely by a few people. In practice this builds a lot of content slowly, but the issue is CoC2 has decided to build slow in a few select areas.

More so are the devs and most writer's complete lack of vision and ability to get their head out of their own asses. This is ultimately causing CoC2 to diverge from the hentai version of Mass Effect 1 or 2 and into Mass Effect Andromeda territory. I've said it a few times before but Savin and Co. would be served if they hired actual professionals be it writing, editing, and outside DCL, artists too. I'll die on the hill that Moira's art is inconsistent and doesn't fit the overall appeal of CoC2. It's not terrible, but sticks out like a sore thumb and for those of us on smaller displays or mobile it's a nightmare.

Lastly, CoC2 is great during the honeymoon stage, but once you realize there's a lot of makeup covering some budget plastic surgery and acne scars the attraction wears off and you begin to notice crappy personality and hollow promises. CoC2 is the girl who looks fine on IG, but when you meet her in person you realize she's a thot who used to be a straight A student before she got lazy.
 
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