Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.13] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[JTakiyaa]

anybody seen a news about their next d&d? fen and his trans wife, man, the whole mess with fen becoming such a dick of a person was mostly because somebody leaked her nudes from their private chat on everywhere, especially on 4chan if I'm not mistaken and him not very liking it, what a drag.

Where did you hear this? Any source? Will it impact the future releases on the game updates?

 

[NODOGAN]

K i'm back, tested it out and it SEEMS that Eternal Delusion works with Presence even thought it is a catalyst (switched my character's stats to max strength at 14, then to max willpower at 14, both cases while having Presence at 17 due initial bonuses and the mind damage was the same).
On a Side-Note: Anyone else noticed how you can make infinite money with Ivris? simply go:
1) buy at least 3 Ward Amulets from Ivris.
2) Click on Check Out to avoid errors when bugging it later.
3) Click on shop once more and move to the option "Others" to make the next step as smooth as possible (selecting "Others" category won't make items pop-up on screen when you're selling them, which makes the game run smoother).
4) Select "Sell" and then click on the Ward Amulets as fast as you can, this will make you sell more than the ones you possess if you have a good timing literaly gaining 500 Electrums per click (if your timing is off don't worry, just click the option "Reset" and you get the Ward Amulets back).
5) Click "Check Out" without buying anything to avoid crashing the game, then you can enter once more into the shop for more Ward Amulets.
6) Rinse and repeat till you're satisfied (i tend to do this for 30.000 per day, no joke is the first time i've ever completed all of the Hawkethorne Nursery's updates)

 

[Theratul]

Where did you hear this? Any source? Will it impact the future releases on the game updates?

news about their d&d session is on their site, they do it to get fund for another trans operation. so I dont know about impacts on releases, but I'm pretty sure that at least TiTS will take some damage with the latest fen tiredness of submissions. it not distant possibility that tits will be "finished" like coc1 soon.

 

[Theratul]

K i'm back, tested it out and it SEEMS that Eternal Delusion works with Presence even thought it is a catalyst (switched my character's stats to max strength at 14, then to max willpower at 14, both cases while having Presence at 17 due initial bonuses and the mind damage was the same).

now you got me all interested, how the fuck does that even work? I'll try it later myself, will be editing the fuck out of my chars stats(I will try different classes too) just too check that.

 

[JTakiyaa]

news about their d&d session is on their site, they do it to get fund for another trans operation. so I dont know about impacts on releases, but I'm pretty sure that at least TiTS will take some damage with the latest fen tiredness of submissions. it not distant possibility that tits will be "finished" like coc1 soon.

Oh seems I was mistaken by your post. I thought the nudes were leaked recently until I read it on their forum. His wife definitely didn't deserved that to be leaked like that. I don't mind either if they were making a fund raiser for LGBT community. As long as he doesn't make it as an excuse for him being tired or spent in developping the game. He could use a break to do different things that can help inspire his content. But if the next update turns out dissapointing still I might pull of from their patreon since to me it looks like it is slowly dying contentwise.

 

[NODOGAN]

now you got me all interested, how the fuck does that even work? I'll try it later myself, will be editing the fuck out of my chars stats(I will try different classes too) just too check that.

I used a char that was a human, charmer and noble scion to start with +3 on Presence and leveled it up till it had 12 toughness, 12 cunning, 12 willpower and 15 Presence at level 5 and i just decided to look around for an alternative for a full on Charmer that didn't used magic unless it absolutely had no choice and

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seems to be the right weapon since it drains Resolve even from beasts and summons normaly immune to temptation, dealing damage purely mental/to the Resolve without touching their HP at all just like Charmer's Abilities.

 

[JTakiyaa]

K i'm back, tested it out and it SEEMS that Eternal Delusion works with Presence even thought it is a catalyst (switched my character's stats to max strength at 14, then to max willpower at 14, both cases while having Presence at 17 due initial bonuses and the mind damage was the same).
On a Side-Note: Anyone else noticed how you can make infinite money with Ivris? simply go:
1) buy at least 3 Ward Amulets from Ivris.
2) Click on Check Out to avoid errors when bugging it later.
3) Click on shop once more and move to the option "Others" to make the next step as smooth as possible (selecting "Others" category won't make items pop-up on screen when you're selling them, which makes the game run smoother).
4) Select "Sell" and then click on the Ward Amulets as fast as you can, this will make you sell more than the ones you possess if you have a good timing literaly gaining 500 Electrums per click (if your timing is off don't worry, just click the option "Reset" and you get the Ward Amulets back).
5) Click "Check Out" without buying anything to avoid crashing the game, then you can enter once more into the shop for more Ward Amulets.
6) Rinse and repeat till you're satisfied (i tend to do this for 30.000 per day, no joke is the first time i've ever completed all of the Hawkethorne Nursery's updates)

Yeah, I noticed someone made a similar post about this exploit before. Something similar would work if an item has a full stack or something. Couldn't remember who post it though. Maybe some day they will patch it out and put a cheat code like in Tits.

 

[Theratul]

Oh seems I was mistaken by your post. I thought the nudes were leaked recently until I read it on their forum. His wife definitely didn't deserved that to be leaked like that. I don't mind either if they were making a fund raiser for LGBT community. As long as he doesn't make it as an excuse for him being tired or spent in developping the game. He could use a break to do different things that can help inspire his content. But if the next update turns out dissapointing still I might pull of from their patreon since to me it looks like it is slowly dying contentwise.

ah, I was wondering if I didn't get your questions right myself. no, they were leaked ages ago, I just remembered it, cause he mentioned her in that news, just memory associated it.
yeah, I got nothing bad on their funding of lgbt(at least when they doesn't scream about their right everywhere like usually) too, but it makes people wonder if this makes tits development stall, will it make for some flimsy excuse to abandon some projects
p.s. fuckin autocorrect.

 

[JTakiyaa]

ah, I was wondering if I didn't get your questions right myself. no, the was leaked pages ago, I just remembered it, cause he mentioned her in that news, just memory associated it.
yeah, I got nothing bad on their funding of lgbt(at least when they doesn't scream about their right everywhere like usually) too, but it makes people wonder if this makes tits development stall, will it make for some flimsy excuse to abandon some projects

As long as it didn't get the CoC1 ending treatment to the main storyline then I won't complain.

 

[Cerneu]

and I called him bastard as figure of speech, you most of the times just takes words a bit to directly.

And Savin is also merely using a figure of speech when he insults all the endless whining about mods.

You really couldn't think of a weaker excuse for your insults?

I don't really see a reason in complaining about the practicalities of modding CoC2 when the modding of CoC1 didn't happen until around the time that it was "finished." Most of the people who even bring up the topic on it don't have the skill set to even take on a task like that, so they rely completely on someone else with the ability to do so. Then you have the people who could theoretically mod CoC2, but see it as pointless as it's just another questionable project that Fen and his band of thieves have no roadmap on how and when they plan on finishing it. Because, why would you? They'll just update it intentionally to break it, and then trying to keep it all manageable will just snowball the further along in time you go. So, it's just kinda pointless to talk about, especially when the topic of mods usually just ends with shitty OCs, "same old same old scenes" but with different characters, and one-off scenes, locations and bosses.

Yep. This was pretty much the reason given.



But hey, it's much more convienent for Theratul & co. to believe that Savin is just being spiteful.

Even the mod by Kitteh that Theratul constantly mentions was only created after CoC1 was abandoned, in order to fill all the unfinished content.

 

[Theratul]

And Savin is also merely using a figure of speech when he insults all the endless whining about mods.

You really couldn't think of a weaker excuse for your insults?



Yep. This was pretty much the reason given.

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But hey, it's much more convienent for Theratul & co. to believe that Savin is just being spiteful.

Even the mod by Kitteh that Theratul constantly mentions was only created after CoC1 was abandoned, in order to fill all the unfinished content.

even if mods can be made only for finished or abandoned game it's not a reason to make game completely mod unfriendly and not to consider at least partial mod support system for future.
and savin is spiteful, all incest shaming content of some of their games and their friends(alder foe) is the least proof of that. or abandonment of revamp because of the salamander themed dungeon, which I mentioned before.

 

[Cerneu]

even if mods can be made only for finished or abandoned game it's not a reason to make game completely mod unfriendly and not to consider at least partial mod support system for future.

What do you you even want to mod into the game so much? If there's some character you want in the game, then you're always welcome to use the submission process. Unless it's some toddler fucking or companion murdering. Is that why you demand mod support? So you can skip over the submission process in order to write in fanfiction.net tier original characters with a plethora of grusome and banned fetishes?

and savin is spiteful, all incest shaming content ...

The FAQ for CoC2 mentions that incest can't be added due to Patreon rules. Anyone who despite knowing that keeps pestering them to add incest deserves to be "shamed".


Just FYI, Savin isn't even half as spiteful as you and your vendetta and your insulting "figures of speech". You even have a history of peddling lies about Savin being against preggo content.

 

[Theratul]

What do you you even want to mod into the game so much? If there's some character you want in the game, then you're always welcome to use the submission process. Unless it's some toddler fucking or companion murdering. Is that why you demand mod support? So you can skip over the submission process in order to write in fanfiction.net tier original characters with a plethora of grusome and banned fetishes?



The FAQ for CoC2 mentions that incest can't be added due to Patreon rules. Anyone who despite knowing that keeps pestering them to add incest deserves to be "shamed".


Just FYI, Savin isn't even half as spiteful as you and your vendetta and your insulting "figures of speech". You even have a history of peddling lies about Savin hating preggo content.

it's pretty clear that it's you who is lier. cause i never ever said a thing about savin hating preggo content. this is a second time you call me on this false thing.its shame I can't throw insults here. you pretty much asking for couple.
the incest patron excuse is such a bullshit, cause they pretty much added some incest even now in coc2(evergreen). and they could migrate to some other donate site ages ago(like innoxia, whose game was inspired by fen and coc, has incest and modding, but didn't lose any income because she migrated to subscribestar)
and I dont want such sickly content. it's great argument point just to assume bad thing about me. I dont even really need any modded content, but that not a reason to not make a support system. its dont even need to be sexual content, even adding new weapons is a modding, but they have to many restriction cause of the "balancing"(in the fuckin porn singleplayer game).or changes to stat system, which is too not likeable to me. I love to mod my games to add some small thing when I get bored, that I most of times didn't share anywhere( that why I still play skyrim). maybe I just want some content for only myself, without sharing it's with everyone via submissions.
and savin is spiteful cause he shames not only recent wanters of incest content but shames all who ever wanted incest which he almost added to previous game, but now it's a bad thing

 

[Theratul]

and to be completely honest it's not a wonder that people were easy to assume that he hates preg content. it was running joke for much every 1st of april that they adding anno, Siri and Kiro preg content. and dont forget about recent cait preg content joke on 1st of april. it's not spiteful, but its was pretty much answer for that opinion of him hating preg contnet that harshly crushed some people hope.
p.s. that another reason to have mods. to add preg content for npc they deemed to be unimpregnatable. and no, not to have children than to fuck, just the fetish of impregnation. its early to assume(I don't frequently check their forun) but it a possibility that cait will dont have any preg content. somebody might want it and the only way for it be possible it's to make a mod.
p.s or mod with just some cosmetic changes, cause not everybody loves fur and muzzles on their lovers(so much potentials for insults here)

 

[Fikedever]

K i'm back, tested it out and it SEEMS that Eternal Delusion works with Presence even thought it is a catalyst (switched my character's stats to max strength at 14, then to max willpower at 14, both cases while having Presence at 17 due initial bonuses and the mind damage was the same).

I used a char that was a human, charmer and noble scion to start with +3 on Presence and leveled it up till it had 12 toughness, 12 cunning, 12 willpower and 15 Presence at level 5 and i just decided to look around for an alternative for a full on Charmer that didn't used magic unless it absolutely had no choice and

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seems to be the right weapon since it drains Resolve even from beasts and summons normaly immune to temptation, dealing damage purely mental/to the Resolve without touching their HP at all just like Charmer's Abilities.

From the testing I have done on a charmer, Eternal Delusion starts at a base 20 damage, with about a 0.65 damage scaling added on for each strength point. No other stats affect its damage, unless you count cunning's crit chance increase.

I used starting bonus to alter my stats (even to 0 with negative starting bonus). 0 Strength > 20-21 mental, 6 Strength > ~24, 17 Strength > ~30-31 damage.

And Savin is also merely using a figure of speech when he insults all the endless whining about mods.

You really couldn't think of a weaker excuse for your insults?



Yep. This was pretty much the reason given.

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But hey, it's much more convienent for Theratul & co. to believe that Savin is just being spiteful.

Even the mod by Kitteh that Theratul constantly mentions was only created after CoC1 was abandoned, in order to fill all the unfinished content.

"CoC2 will not and does not needs mods"

Does anything ever need mods? The game doesn't need busts either, but it is nice to have.

"People didn't mod CoC until it was practically at the state that it had been abandoned."

So, Bubble lord thinks CoC1 was abandoned, which I don't think Savin would agree with or at least admit to.

"No game dev worth their smarts allowed modding until their game was well outside of development stages and mostly content ready (even the bad Early Access games generally don't have/don't bring support until the games are stable)."

If we are talking about modding support, it should be built from the ground up. Adding it in after the game is finished will lead to pointless refactoring.

Even in the cases where modding support isn't included (which is fine), Minecraft is an example of an early access game that had lots of mods before full release. There was even the piston mod, which inspired the devs to actually add pistons to the game.

"It'd be super swell if people who wanted to mod CoC2 would just try to make official submissions for the game."

So they want full rights control. Not everyone will want to do that.

"Unless they're trying to circumnavigate the restrictions in the game and forum's content list and, as a result, are breaking forum rules by trying to make that content present."

This is solved by not doing modding the CoCI way with including the source code. I've gone over this multiple times. Is he implying that they will ban forum members for distributing a mod (which contains only the modder's intellectual property, none of CoCII's) outside of their forum if it falls into one of the banned fetishes? If that is the case, I guess they want to become Patreon itself.

"Because if we don't want it in the real game there's a reason for that. Either it's low quality, doesn't fit the game, or is banned. Having mods floating around that don't meet our rules and standards and can be confused with the real game causes many different headaches."

All a problem with CoCI style of modding in which the full source was distributed. A problem they could have learned from and solved with CoCII. You want to know the best part? When CoCII production ends, they are going to have the exact same problem they had with CoCI modding, because they didn't provide an easy way for people to mod without having to include the full source code.

"If your content isn't low quality, fits the tone/setting of the game, and doesn't contain any blacklisted stuff there shouldn't be any issues getting it into the game."

There are people who think Tobs is not good enough quality to be in the game. I don't agree, but there are people who think that. Quality is a subjective concept. Either way, this once again only applies to CoCI full source inclusion modding where confusion is much more likely (even if the main screens do point it out, they don't do it on a scene by scene basis). Much of what I recommended (which I don't think you've even read, Cerneu) would have solved this problem.

What do you you even want to mod into the game so much? If there's some character you want in the game, then you're always welcome to use the submission process. Unless it's some toddler fucking or companion murdering. Is that why you demand mod support? So you can skip over the submission process in order to write in fanfiction.net tier original characters with a plethora of grusome and banned fetishes?

Is your argument here that if he were to want to do that for those reasons then he is a bad person for having a fetish you don't like and his points are invalid? I can't see any reason you would have to elaborate past "blacklisted content" if your intention wasn't to make him look bad.

But I will answer the question in Theratul's place. I don't want to mod anything into the game. But I don't know what content I could not even think of that might have been created had their been a proper modding community. I tend to believe that other people have some valuable ideas.

The FAQ for CoC2 mentions that incest can't be added due to Patreon rules. Anyone who despite knowing that keeps pestering them to add incest deserves to be "shamed".

And that has no chance to affect people who wanted incest content, but weren't pestering anyone.

Or people who know about all the Patreon games with secret codes to activate incest content, and are simply asking a question? I would call them misguided in assuming those other games aren't skirting close to the edge, but I wouldn't say they deserve to be shamed.

Just FYI, Savin isn't even half as spiteful as you and your vendetta and your insulting "figures of speech". You even have a history of peddling lies about Savin being against preggo content.

He called him a bastard. Hardly a vendetta class insult. Could say worse after stubbing your toe.

Also, could you link to a post in which Theratul claims Savin is against preggo content?

 

[Cerneu]

it's pretty clear that it's you who is lier. cause i never ever said a thing about savin hating preggo content. this is a second time you call me on this false thing.its shame I can't throw insults here. you pretty much asking for couple.

Reaha' creator is Savin so there near zero chance of preggo content for her(cause for TITS savin made ~100 npc and only a couple of them have preg.)

Ah yes, when you say that a character being made by Savin is enough to say that there's zero chance for preggo content, that absolutely isn't trying to imply something. Yep. Totally. Even your claim about ~100 npc is false, I've already earlier in this thread posted screenshots of Savin admitting to writing tons of preggo content, and approving of more being added. Go look it up.

the incest patron excuse is such a bullshit, cause they pretty much added some incest even now in coc2(evergreen). and they could migrate to some other donate site ages ago(like innoxia, whose game was inspired by fen and coc, has incest and modding, but didn't lose any income because she migrated to subscribestar)

Moving from patreon to other places is not as easy as you imagine. You have no experience doing it.

I dont even really need any modded content

Ah, I knew it.

even adding new weapons is a modding

You can use the official submission process for this. What's the problem?

maybe I just want some content for only myself, without sharing it's with everyone via submissions.

Yet, in the same comment you said earlier that you don't really need any mods.

If it's cheats you're looking for, save editing is available.

p.s. that another reason to have mods. to add preg content for npc they deemed to be unimpregnatable. and no, not to have children than to fuck, just the fetish of impregnation. its early to assume(I don't frequently check their forun) but it a possibility that cait will dont have any preg content. somebody might want it and the only way for it be possible it's to make a mod.

Do you even realize that there's an entire lore reason for Cait's infertility? A mod is not enough to change it, you'd have to write an entire quest where she regains her fertility and at this point you might as well write the remainder of the story quests. Maybe wait fot the game to be finnished before you start demanding mods to add preggo content to characters who didn't receive one.

p.s or mod with just some cosmetic changes, cause not everybody loves fur and muzzles on their lovers(so much potentials for insults here)

CoC2 was from the start advertised as a furry game. Maybe go play some non-furry games instead of insisting on completely changing one of the main selling points of CoC2. It would be easier and less work too. Do you also complain about there being too much NTR in a NTR hentai game? Or there being too much Chinese food in a Chinese restaurant? Do you scream at the chefs that they should allow customers to buy hamburgers?

 

[Theratul]

Ah yes, when you say that a character being made by Savin is enough to say that there's zero chance for preggo content, that absolutely isn't trying to imply something. Yep. Totally. Even your claim about ~100 npc is false, I've already earlier in this thread posted screenshots of Savin admitting to writing tons of preggo content, and approving of more being added. Go look it up.




Moving from patreon to other places is not as easy as you imagine. You have no experience doing it.



Ah, I knew it.



You can use the official submission process for this. What's the problem?



Yet, in the same comment you said earlier that you don't really need any mods.

If it's cheats you're looking for, save editing is available.




Do you even realize that there's an entire lore reason for Cait's infertility? A mod is not enough to change it, you'd have to write an entire quest where she regains her fertility and at this point you might as well write the remainder of the story quests. Maybe wait fot the game to be finnished before you start demanding mods to add preggo content to characters who didn't receive one.




CoC2 was from the start advertised as a furry game. Maybe go play some non-furry games instead of insisting on completely changing one of the main selling points of CoC2. It would be easier and less work too. Do you also complain about there being too much NTR in a NTR hentai game? Or there being too much Chinese food in a Chinese restaurant? Do you scream at the chefs that they should allow customers to buy hamburgers?

that a thing, you can only assume that was implied, which was not, it just saying a fact that there a low chance of savin writing preg content, "had a history of lying..." with one not sure way post, my ass.
I say I dont need mods, as mods from community, i didn't say i doesn't want a modding support.
and that why I said so myself that it's too early to assume thing about cait, but it's a possibility.
furry maybe a selling point, but that's not only thing the game consist of. it's got plenty of characters with just only animal ears/tails witch I enjoy or completely without any animal characteristics. that why I want mod support. to just edit thing I can't enjoy without bringing it on everybody base game via submission.
I dont want cheats, I want to add things myself without anyone supervision.
but you like to assume things on just one said phrase and ignore most of the others. so continue doing that, cause your opinion is irrelevant.

 

[Cerneu]

the incest patron excuse is such a bullshit, cause they pretty much added some incest even now in coc2(evergreen). and they

That was removed to avoid a crackdown by Patreon. When was the last time you played Evergreen's content?

It's got plenty of characters with just only animal ears/tails witch I enjoy or completely without any animal characteristics. that why I want mod support. to just edit thing I can't enjoy without bringing it on everybody base game via submission.

How many times are things like muzzles even mentioned. Can't you just, not read them? Can't you skip over those words? This is not much of a visual game. Or just play Slablands. I hear they have a strict anti-furry rule. All their monster girls are muzzle and fur free.

I dont want cheats, I want to add things myself without anyone supervision.

Mods are cheats too, you know. Adding any new weapons or equipment is cheating. Besides, you can already add all the strongest equipment by just editing the save file. That's allowed.

 

[ZithL]

Mods are cheats too, you know. Adding any new weapons or equipment is cheating.

This has the same energy as "MODS ARE BAD BECAUSE ITS NOT HOW THE DEVS INTENDED FOR THE GAME TO BEEEEEEEEEEE"
So it's cheating, but if it makes the game more enjoyable for me, I should just fuck off then?

modding of CoC1 didn't happen until around the time that it was "finished.

Coc2 will almost never be finished. At least, in my skeptical view after seeing the cluster fuck that is lilith's throne. It's been 1 year since the orc camp dungeon was "done", and we still are waiting for Arona to become a companion. How long will winter city and centaur camp take to fully finish next? Hell, who's to say that Arona will even be finished in this next year.

 

[BlacJak]

The FAQ for CoC2 mentions that incest can't be added due to Patreon rules. Anyone who despite knowing that keeps pestering them to add incest deserves to be "shamed".

In that regard, what would you say about the people who originally wrote the content in the first place? They added the context of fucking family before anyone asked them to do it, so would you shame Savin, Fen, Questy, William, etc? Seeing as they were the ones who had something to do with characters who subsequently fuck their own family members.

Mods are cheats too, you know. Adding any new weapons or equipment is cheating. Besides, you can already add all the strongest equipment by just editing the save file. That's allowed.

I don't think you know what mods are. Mods aren't just some cheap way of making the player character overpowered in order to remove any difficulty from the game. There's already a setting for that in the game a la Easy Mode, and as you mentioned before, save editing. Actual mods seek to add things that otherwise would not be in the game, due to Patreon (The banks), and or creative "rights". Things such as the character, Steph Irson from TiTS, who had a scene removed because it was too serious and wasn't just another meaningless sex scene for the fanbase to enjoy, but had the character lament their current job of being raped by wildlife on TV for ratings. Things like that is what people like to see expanded on, instead of another dickgirl lazily added to the world for the 10th time with the same sex scenes as every other one in the game. Sure there's gonna be the occasional person who comes along and wants to remove certain characters they don't like, but that's with anything. Not everyone wants to brutally murder currently existing NPCs in the game, but with game titled "Corruption of Champions", there has to be more going for the Corruption aspect, than just making your character even MORE constantly horny...