Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.32] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[SirenSpell]

I just got rick rolled on f95zone.
w a c k

 

[destroyerofassholes]

I mean, for whatever reason she was created, as long as the contemp for others is not shown in text, I do not mind. Same way good intent does not make a decision right.


Is this game not about fetishes? Is not voyeur also a fetish?

It's shown pretty clearly in text, everything about Hime Kinu and everything about fox culture making it so that only moms get a say about anything with their daughters is most definitely out of spite.

Don't even "but their culture tho" Their culture is whatever the fuck Tobs conveniently wants it to be. There is no reason the whole engagement talk with Kiyoko has to be so dick-ish. It's like that because Tobs wants it to be.

The best example for this is when you try to head-pat hime kinu. She treats you as if you just murdered her soul or something. This is the most inane and idiotic shit that Tobs could come up with. Apparently if you ruffle your daughter's head, you've sullied their honor. "But muh worldbuildin" Tobs wanted it to be that way out of spite. There is no reason for it to be that way other than Tobs wanting to spite the player.

Pretending this is all just pure worldbuilding and that there is a good reason behind it is....just choosing not see the writing on the wall.

The man openly admits this.

 

[throbzombie]

Is this game not about fetishes? Is not voyeur also a fetish?

Fuck me, stop being a disingenuous asshole, please. It's getting old.

 

[M0nte]

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Hmmmmmmm. First point, I a mostly agree. But I do feel like that does not come out of spite to people that want to bone kinu. I feel like it comes more from the place of the writer just not wanting to stray from the path he laid out for himself.The reason he made it that blunt, besides spite, is so that people would not bug him anymore about whole Kinu engage. As final message "look, you either follow my path or you do not. I am not changing my stance". So yeah, spoiled behavior, just not from the placed you are alluding to.

That other comment tho about petting... Hime is more than fine about petting. She is just not about you touching her tails. As for her being against it. Not sure what to think about. I am fine with it. To you it may not be an excuse, to me it is more than fine.
I do have a problem that it still there even if after try it out. And that we can not learn about it before hand. Like, our character is aware enough that Kitsune have this convoluted society thing. But is not bright enough to ask her/his wife to explain some of that culture to them. Especially relationship between a daughter and father figure. All this "Kitsune" culture thing just seems like a plot point without a payoff. Our character is not able to learn about it. We are not able to make ourselves look like any less of buffun by learning it. While I get that it is there for us to feel alianeted, I just do not see how this is all going to be worth it. Especially if you are playing as Keroses champion.

Fuck me, stop being a disingenuous asshole, please. It's getting old.

Voyeur is a fetish. While you may not find it your cup of tea and you may think there is to much of it in the game. But that does not mean it is bad.

 

[Mandoto]

Voyeur is a fetish. While you may not find it your cup of tea and you may think there is to much of it in the game. But that does not mean it is bad.

I think he means you're taking your whole "devil's advocate" thing too far, you don't have to go out of your way to attempt to disprove every complaint or criticism people have about the game.

 

[M0nte]

I think he means you're taking your whole "devil's advocate" thing too far, you don't have to go out of your way to attempt to disprove every complaint or criticism people have about the game.

The thing is, I do not do it just because I like doing it, I am geniously annoyed at some things people here are saying. Like the whole "people do not want to see voyeour content". Like yes, some subset of people are not fan of it. Same way some subset of people are not fan of incest,men, dickgirls, corruption, Cait, Brienne and all that. But they still put it in. This game is hot pot of ideas that get implemented. Which also means voyeur content. If you do not like it, fine. But do not say it does not belong in this game.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Hmmmmmmm. First point, I a mostly agree. But I do feel like that does not come out of spite to people that want to bone kinu. I feel like it comes more from the place of the writer just not wanting to stray from the path he laid out for himself.The reason he made it that blunt, besides spite, is so that people would not bug him anymore about whole Kinu engage. As final message "look, you either follow my path or you do not. I am not changing my stance". So yeah, spoiled behavior, just not from the placed you are alluding to.

That other comment tho about petting... Hime is more than fine about petting. She is just not about you touching her tails. As for her being against it. Not sure what to think about. I am fine with it. To you it may not be an excuse, to me it is more than fine.
I do have a problem that it still there even if after try it out. And that we can not learn about it before hand. Like, our character is aware enough that Kitsune have this convoluted society thing. But is not bright enough to ask her/his wife to explain some of that culture to them. Especially relationship between a daughter and father figure. All this "Kitsune" culture thing just seems like a plot point without a payoff. Our character is not able to learn about it. We are not able to make ourselves look like any less of buffun by learning it. While I get that it is there for us to feel alianeted, I just do not see how this is all going to be worth it. Especially if you are playing as Keroses champion.


Voyeur is a fetish. While you may not find it your cup of tea and you may think there is to much of it in the game. But that does not mean it is bad.

I wrote some pointless long thing about it, but just agree to disagree I guess.

Tobs doesn't realize that his writing meant to be a "no" for a very tiny subset of people is a "no" to a very big majority that just wants to dote on the daughter that he himself forced on the player. By designing a forced child character to spite that tiny subset, he screws over the big majority that reads his work who has no interest in such stuff. This juxtaposition is something he will never fix, he doesn't care. He doesn't write for the player, he writes for himself, and that is why he really should not be in this game.

If you are going to force a named child character onto me, and if you're going to forcibly ruin any ties we have because you're pissed at something that happened years ago with some people nobody knows or cares about, you do not deserve to write.

 

[Mandoto]

The thing is, I do not do it just because I like doing it, I am geniously annoyed at some things people here are saying. Like the whole "people do not want to see voyeour content". Like yes, some subset of people are not fan of it. Same way some subset of people are not fan of incest,men, dickgirls, corruption, Cait, Brienne and all that. But they still put it in. This game is hot pot of ideas that get implemented. Which also means voyeur content. If you do not like it, fine. But do not say it does not belong in this game.

Like I've said before, people like complaining. And while I agree that it's stupid to say that no one is interested in certain content or fetishes, I don't see the point of going on the defensive everytime someone says something like that. You already know there is an audience for it, you already know that it's going to be/continue to be included in the game, so why not just read the complaint messages and simply move on?

 

[Carciato]

Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down....

 

[Botzy]

Voyeur is a fetish. While you may not find it your cup of tea and you may think there is to much of it in the game. But that does not mean it is bad.

While I wouldn't have put it in his exact words, I think you were disingenuous for defending it as a fetish is because that's a completely meaningless defense. Scat, watersports, guro, parent/child incest, unbirthing, snuff, hard NTR, all of these are also fetishes (some of them very popular ones) but they are by and large not present in the game. CoC2 being a fetish game isn't the same as it being a game for all fetishes, which is made abundantly clear by most of the writers involved having their own personal rants about what fetishes they refuse to allow into their content or the game entirely.

Voyeur is a fetish but in CoC2 it can only be found in one characters content, a character who is markedly out of place. There was no push for the fetish to be added to the game from fans like there is for incest lovers (who should probably move on to other games with how much the staff hate them but I digress), and the fetish itself actually goes directly against the spirit of the game, which I would sum up as "See that character? You can fuck them". It's not like someone complaining about futa, or pregnancy, or homosexual content, all of which is strongly established within CoC2 from multiple authors, that has major fan backing, that is constantly getting new scenes, and that fits within the most basic premise of the pornography of the game. Voyeur content doesn't have any of those qualifications.

This game is hot pot of ideas that get implemented. Which also means voyeur content. If you do not like it, fine. But do not say it does not belong in this game.

So no, I in fact do believe it does not belong in the game, and seeing as there was none before the character in question was implemented and there has been none since, it seems clear to me it's the result of one writer going off script, for lack of a better term.

 

[Malcowitz]

Voyeur is a fetish. While you may not find it your cup of tea and you may think there is to much of it in the game. But that does not mean it is bad.

Yeah no, at no point whatsoever has voyerism been a kink even close to the mainstream in porn games. It's on par with NTR and other cucking in popularity, being closely related to it, and while they may have vocal and irritating fans they're a tiny fraction of the overall landscape.

And it is bad, you dunce, because the whole point of a videogame is interactivity. If you wanted to be a voyeur you could just literally watch any porn video or read any smut novel or any along that genre but using games for it is fundamentally missing the point of the medium you're using, unless you're one of those specific fetishists who get off on humiliation and having others having fun while you don't

 

[M0nte]

I wrote some pointless long thing about it, but just agree to disagree I guess.

Tobs doesn't realize that his writing meant to be a "no" for a very tiny subset of people is a "no" to a very big majority that just wants to dote on the daughter that he himself forced on the player. By designing a forced child character to spite that tiny subset, he screws over the big majority that reads his work who has no interest in such stuff. This juxtaposition is something he will never fix, he doesn't care. He doesn't write for the player, he writes for himself, and that is why he really should not be in this game.

Ah, I feel like now we are just going in circles at this point. So yeah, for now lets just agree to disagree.

Like I've said before, people like complaining. And while I agree that it's stupid to say that no one is interested in certain content or fetishes, I don't see the point of going on the defensive everytime someone says something like that. You already know there is an audience for it, you already know that it's going to be/continue to be included in the game, so why not just read the complaint messages and simply move on?

Because I can. Because it takes me 30 seconds to write it. Like I have said before, I enjoy writing. Be it on something positive or negative.
And besides,why would you post something if you are not ready for others to comment on it?
And they were speaking in absolute, which while works in some cases, not in this one. Especially since they are so sure of themselves.

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That is probably one of more widespread fetishes in this game.
Let me count the characters that involve it. Cair, Brint, Arona, Brienne, Azy, Takahiro, Elf Merc, Elthara, Snake girl, Berwyn, Ryn. And many of those are from different writers. People simply enjoy it. While Cait has most of those scenes, as we can see, most of our companions also do.

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You can still chose to not engage with it in most of the cases. From gameplay standpoint, it is same interaction as you choosing sex for your champion to have. Now, does it belong in this game? It is up to developers and patreons and you as a reader to decide. If people want it, sure. You as a player decide if you want to engage with it or not.

It does not matter id other games do not involve it. Other games do not let me fuck guys in one scene as cuntboy, going down on a doggy dick in next. Should that not be in this game since other games do not have it?

 

[Botzy]

That is probably one of more widespread fetishes in this game.
Let me count the characters that involve it. Cair, Brint, Arona, Brienne, Azy, Takahiro, Elf Merc, Elthara, Snake girl, Berwyn, Ryn. And many of those are from different writers. People simply enjoy it. While Cait has most of those scenes, as we can see, most of our companions also do.

None of those characters have on screen, described sex scenes that are pure voyeur and where you just stand there and watch with no other option except for Takahiro, to the best of my knowledge. Some of them are frequently mentioned as fucking other characters without your involvement, but its in cursory dialogue and not described in full. Some of them have full sex scenes you stumble across and are initially not involved in, but the player has the option to join in, or was the one who told them to have sex in the first place, or both. Some of them are involved in defeat or bad end content where someone else fucks them as part of the loss content. None of that is voyeur content. Other characters fucking each other offscreen is not voyeur content. Being given the option to join in on sex and actively refusing is not voyeur content. Voyeur content is stumbling across other characters having sex in a full, described sex scene, and having no option whatsoever but to watch it or leave, and that is absolutely not one of the more widespread fetishes of the game.

 

[Mandoto]

Because I can. Because it takes me 30 seconds to write it. Like I have said before, I enjoy writing. Be it on something positive or negative.
And besides,why would you post something if you are not ready for others to comment on it? And because they were speaking in absolute, which while works in some cases, not in this one. Especially since they are so sure of themselves.

Let them be sure of themselves then, you already know they're wrong, why not leave it at that? Sure you have every right to reply and disagree with them, but why would you when you, most of the player base, the staff, and even the writers know that statements like "x fetish doesn't belong and shouldn't be in this game" are wrong?

Since you like writing so much why not use it for something constructive? If I didn't know any better, with the way you actively dispute 95% of the criticism and complaints in this thread, I'd assume that you're trolling or just trying to start shit.

 

[M0nte]

None of those characters have on screen, described sex scenes that are pure voyeur and where you just stand there and watch with no other option except for Takahiro, to the best of my knowledge. Some of them are frequently mentioned as fucking other characters without your involvement, but its in cursory dialogue and not described in full. Some of them have full sex scenes you stumble across and are initially not involved in, but the player has the option to join in, or was the one who told them to have sex in the first place, or both. Some of them are involved in defeat or bad end content where someone else fucks them as part of the loss content. None of that is voyeur content. Other characters fucking each other offscreen is not voyeur content. Being given the option to join in on sex and actively refusing is not voyeur content. Voyeur content is stumbling across other characters having sex in a full, described sex scene, and having no option whatsoever but to watch it or leave, and that is absolutely not one of the more widespread fetishes of the game.

Oh, yeah, I get what you mean now. Yeah, Takahiro, besides Lusamine and Berwyn, is only one that does it like that from what I remember. Where you just stumble on it. At least with Berwyn you have to recommend him Cait. Lusamine, you need cait to do it and for you to seek it out. But the game still gives you a choice to refuse. So yeah I get you to some extent. But it is Takahiro, and as we know, Takahiro is not great. Pretty bad even.

Edit: And I just realized that I did not know what voyeur encapsulates. As it happens, It does not include stuff as you recommending someone to have sex in front of you. Well my bad.

 

[Decent-Win]

You think we get to fuck the GIlf Komari?

Yes and Wsan is the one writing it.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Ah, I feel like now we are just going in circles at this point. So yeah, for now lets just agree to disagree.

Yes, honestly everything we talk about is always in circles and I honestly don't really like arguing with you for this reason, it's an exercise in futility as neither of us will budge. Plus many of your replies are just..."but I like what you don't like"...which is inane, and I pretty much just skim through your replies and write the exact same thing, which isn't very helpful I realize.

I don't think any of our arguments have ever been constructive and I honestly don't really want to do them anymore, you've never really been a dick but I simply don't enjoy these. I'm not gonna reply to you and I expect the same.

Not to be an ass, but I genuinely don't get the way you dispute almost everything ever written on here, even if there are a lot of bad takes. Becomes a tiring slog. Then again I'd assume it'd be tiring from the other side as well, with every thread being the same fuck savin/tobs stuff.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

Yeah no, at no point whatsoever has voyerism been a kink even close to the mainstream in porn games. It's on par with NTR and other cucking in popularity, being closely related to it, and while they may have vocal and irritating fans they're a tiny fraction of the overall landscape.

And it is bad, you dunce, because the whole point of a videogame is interactivity. If you wanted to be a voyeur you could just literally watch any porn video or read any smut novel or any along that genre but using games for it is fundamentally missing the point of the medium you're using, unless you're one of those specific fetishists who get off on humiliation and having others having fun while you don't

One could say finding the scene itself is interactivity. I really don't care for any of the cuck/ntr/voyeur/swap fetishes, but they have their people.

If these not having interactivity is a problem we'd have to cut away everything Tobs writes.

 

[diocletian]

Tbh I just wish you could just fuck people or things up in the game. Like there's so many times where you seem like you have a choice to do something crazy or ridiculous, but for whatever reason you're hamstrung into doing what the authors want. Like the entire corruption thing may as well not exist, cause I literally noticed no differences between being fully corrupted and fully pure. Or even choices that really have any kinda rippling effects on the game. Like in TiTs you could nuke Myrellion, or in CoC1 you could straight up not have access to areas or weapons because of your corruption or the lack thereof. Hell, you fucked up entire followers irreversibly by corrupting them.

I don't know if they're planning on doing something with this down the road so I might be wrong right now, but the fact that there aren't any really consequences for your actions other than the ones forced on you is kinda wack. Like why can't you tell Cait to fuck off with high corruption, or making Etheryn your slave or whatever. I get interactivity is hard to write and plan out in game, but if you aren't really going to have interactivity you might as well make it a visual novel. It's still a decent game, but it really does suck that they don't give the player any consequences for their choices

 

[Mandoto]

Tbh I just wish you could just fuck people or things up in the game. Like there's so many times where you seem like you have a choice to do something crazy or ridiculous, but for whatever reason you're hamstrung into doing what the authors want. Like the entire corruption thing may as well not exist, cause I literally noticed no differences between being fully corrupted and fully pure. Or even choices that really have any kinda rippling effects on the game. Like in TiTs you could nuke Myrellion, or in CoC1 you could straight up not have access to areas or weapons because of your corruption or the lack thereof. Hell, you fucked up entire followers irreversibly by corrupting them.

I don't know if they're planning on doing something with this down the road so I might be wrong right now, but the fact that there aren't any really consequences for your actions other than the ones forced on you is kinda wack. Like why can't you tell Cait to fuck off with high corruption, or making Etheryn your slave or whatever. I get interactivity is hard to write and plan out in game, but if you aren't really going to have interactivity you might as well make it a visual novel. It's still a decent game, but it really does suck that they don't give the player any consequences for their choices

Yeah, the game is pretty tame in the corruption department right now. Honestly, I blame that on Savin. As much as I dislike Fenoxo, atleast he included (or possibly even enforced) some possible, significant pc made changes in his games.