Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.32] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[NaturalEnclave]

I take issue with this specifically, for two reasons.

One, its already pretty well received. The number of positive reviews for this game dwarf negative reviews, by a lot. I wouldn't say the atmosphere in this specific thread accurately represents the games reception in general.

And two: you only have to flip over to the TiTs thread and notice that that game isn't called CoC2 and still gets largely the same complaints to see that that's not the primary issue.

Fair points, honestly. I guess maybe it would be more accurate to say that it would allow CoC2 avoid some complains and comparisons with OG game, but clearly not all problems, as illustrated by people having similar issues with TiTs. And I do have to admit that despite those problems. it's... hard to say that CoC2 is unplayable or downright awful. I mean, the game has a LOT of well written scenes that are enhanced by the primary gameplay loop and despite some bad moments, it's rather difficult to say if they outweigh the positives.
I guess it's kinda like Skyrim? Where despite many quests chains being filled with plot holes and stupid moments that make no sense, it still leaves a positive impressions as a complete package for most people?

 

[mrttao]

One, its already pretty well received. The number of positive reviews for this game dwarf negative reviews, by a lot.

where?
here it is an overall 3 star game. meaning equal amount of negative and positive reviews. with lots of meh reviews.
and that is with heavy censorship of reviews which tends towards things being over rated.

 

[muschi26]

I guess it's kinda like Skyrim? Where despite many quests chains being filled with plot holes and stupid moments that make no sense, it still leaves a positive impressions as a complete package for most people?

Skyrim has the advantage that you can go anywhere and start almost any questline without prior requirements. CoC2 requires you to go through its lengthy and ever-expanding main quest(s) in order to even access upwards of 90% of the regions and characters.

“See that mountain? You can go under it.—If, of course, you have the pass from the baroness, which requires you to liberate the Elf kingdom and become the Champion of Frost—which requires you to get all chummy with a trap you’d much rather not deal with and backtrack all over the place—which requires you to go through a forest which is locked away behind a futa wizard you’d also much rather not interact with—which requires you to defeat an Alraune which is locked behind saving some worthless NPC that got his sidequest promoted to obligatory status for some reason…”

Also, Skyrim, despite its horrendous and simplistic writing, always has a minimum of two ways to go about most quests: “do what you’re told” and “kill everyone”. CoC2 is almost pure yes-man.

 

[Biostar]

Why do we hate Quintillus as a companion again?

Won't let me bugger him. What's the point of a twink ass like him if I can't have that bussy? Also his new art moves him more out of my strike zone.

 

[Skandranon]

where?
here it is an overall 3 star game. meaning equal amount of negative and positive reviews. with lots of meh reviews.
and that is with heavy censorship of reviews which tends towards things being over rated.

This games also on Steam, where it has around 1300 reviews, as opposed to here which has....64. Even with 'heavy censorship' that's an enormous gulf in gathered opinion.

Skyrim has the advantage that you can go anywhere and start almost any questline without prior requirements.

"Advantage"

This results in the entire game feeling completely meaningless. Nothing you do in Skyrim affects anything else, noone cares about your accomplishments, and everything feels like a side quest.

I genuinely think CoC2 us a better game than Skyrim, and I could go on about it for an unreasonably long time.

But I'll just leave it at...Skyrim sucks.

 

[mrttao]

This games also on Steam, where it has around 1300 reviews, as opposed to here which has....64. Even with 'heavy censorship' that's an enormous gulf in gathered opinion.

I just double checked, and steam requires you to purchase a game before you are allowed to review it.
For example, I am forbidden to rate elden ring because I did not purchase it via steam

As a freemium game. literally every single person who purchases CoC2 on steam, has already been playing it first. As you can just download the full version of CoC2 for free from fonexo website.

On top of that, steam does censor reviews in their efforts to "combat review bombing" (which they define as any sudden spike of negative reviews. even if they are caused entirely by an update being crappy)

so... yea. literally the only way for someone to give this a negative review on steam is to go
"I downloaded this game. And I hate it so much that I am going to pay them money to give them a negative review"
The fact they have more than 0 negative reviews is already shocking.

 

[Skandranon]

I just double checked, and steam requires you to purchase a game before you are allowed to review it.
For example, I am forbidden to rate elden ring because I did not purchase it via steam

On top of that, steam does censor reviews in their efforts to "combat review bombing" (which they define as any sudden spike of negative reviews. even if they are caused entirely by an update being crappy)

I mean...yeah? You have to buy a game to review it. The people who played the game reviewed what they thought of it. There's obviously more people who played it that didn't pay for the game, but it still provides the biggest sample size of reviews we have, literally 20 times bigger than this one.


And two, Steam does that manually. It's not an automatic thing, a mod does that. And quite frankly, I have a extremely hard time believing they care even the tiniest bit about a relatuvely tiny porn game when there are waaay bugger games that get review bombed constantly that never get touched.

 

[Alterism]

And two: you only have to flip over to the TiTs thread and notice that that game isn't called CoC2 and still gets largely the same complaints to see that that's not the primary issue.

I disagree. The one similarity I do remember were complaints about there being "too" many futas (there's not).

I spent a large amount of my own personal time going back through TiTS topic. At the point that I'm typing this post I've been through 360 pages of this stuff. Specifically to make sure I wasn't mistaken.

I decided to actually look because this didn't sound true to memory
I'll spare you the details as the post I made including them would bloat this post to an obscene degree.

Most of the conversation is based around bugs, UI, Futas, Furries, and hating on Fenoxo.
Main points of contention

• Updates are too slow
• Everything is Fen's fault (in regards to progress)
• Bugs, bugs, bugs, bugs, bugs
• Sophora complaints
• Wiki complaints
• Incomplete characters
• A lot of Savin shitflinging
• Doms
• Futas
• Character busts
• Patreon policy changes influencing content

The first 150 pages might as well be relabeled "tech help" because that's essentially all that's getting discussed.
200 pages after that is mostly people talking about patreon policies affecting the game and more Fen shitposting.
An astronomical amount of Fen and Savin shitposting.


The few times people go on about threesomes it's in direct contrast to how poorly they're done in CoC2
The number of times people talk about sharing etc is in the single digits.
Taken from a post in 2020: "Tl;dr : Anno has good background stories and have some restraints. Cait goes deus vult on every cock and the backstory seems like an excuse for her existense."

I can confidently and accurately state that the complaints raised towards TiTS are largely completely different than the complaints levied against CoC2. So any conclusion using TiTS as based would be flawed... at best.

 

[MoneyMan181]

One, its already pretty well received. The number of positive reviews for this game dwarf negative reviews, by a lot. I wouldn't say the atmosphere in this specific thread accurately represents the games reception in general.

I also wouldn't say steam reviews are the best place to actually gauge overall player reception, especially for a porn game where everybody just spams joke reviews and the overall bar to satisfaction is somehow lower than this site.

And two: you only have to flip over to the TiTs thread and notice that that game isn't called CoC2 and still gets largely the same complaints to see that that's not the primary issue.

What same complaints? The only thing they consistently complain about is every patch being a drip of content and 90% bug fixes, which is perfectly valid.

I mean, the game has a LOT of well written scenes that are enhanced by the primary gameplay loop

Genuinely curious how any scene in this game is enhanced by the gameplay loop of pressing WASD, winning every encounter by spamming abilities, and occasionally talking to NPCs. If we could actually get closer to NPCs over time and form an actual bond with them ala Dragon Age or Mass Effect I could see where you're coming from, but that just doesn't happen here.

What they needed to do was make this game a full-fledged RPG with actually compelling characters. They built the entire framework for one already: A somewhat interesting setting, a plot hook allowing things to happen, combat with companions, rest areas to chill with said companions, etc. Then they threw all that shit out the window by making the world as silly as TiTS and saying the NPCs are way stronger than the MC. This game has a severe identity crisis, even when ignoring the massive tone shifts in writing.

This results in the entire game feeling completely meaningless. Nothing you do in Skyrim affects anything else, noone cares about your accomplishments

A lot of that could be said about this game.

everything feels like a side quest.

Perhaps because those things are actually side quests? Even then, I don't think killing the Emperor, stopping a vampire from killing the sun, or stopping the first dragonborn from ruling the planet feel like sidequests. The main story of Skyrim certainly doesn't feel like a side quest either.

I genuinely think CoC2 us a better game than Skyrim, and I could go on about it for an unreasonably long time.

So then give us the spark notes version. Because as mind-numbing as skyrim is, it certainly feels more enjoyable than this game.

 

[Skandranon]

So then give us the spark notes version. Because as mind-numbing as skyrim is, it certainly feels more enjoyable than this game.

combat sucks
Main story sucks
Side quests suck
Exactly 0 interesting characters
Character progression is ass
Horrifically repetitive

Skyrims sole redeeming value is as a platform for mods.Thats it.

Most of the conversation is based around bugs, UI, Futas, Furries, and hating on Fenoxo.
Main points of contention

• Updates are too slow
• Everything is Fen's fault (in regards to progress)
• Bugs, bugs, bugs, bugs, bugs
• Sophora complaints
• Wiki complaints
• Incomplete characters
• A lot of Savin shitflinging
• Doms
• Futas
• Character busts
• Patreon policy changes influencing content

5 of those have been in this thread in the last page (at max posts per page which I understand there are some weirdos who don't use)

Slow updates? We get that all the time.

Bugs? Pretty constantly.

Wiki complaints? Just had that.

Incomplete characters? Literally on this very page.

Savin shit flinging...lol

Complaints about too many doms? Comes up quite frequently.

Futa complaints? Like a quarter of this thread.

Busts? This one's a bit more infrequent, but has come up quite a few times.

The UI complaints, specifically about Fenoxo, and specifically about characters are really the main ones that aren't reflected here.

 

[muschi26]

(at max posts per page which I understand there are some weirdos who don't use)

Hey, I prefer pages to infinite scrolling because I don’t like having to scroll down for hours to find what I’m looking for.

 

[mrttao]

I mean...yeah? You have to buy a game to review it. The people who played the game reviewed what they thought of it. There's obviously more people who played it that didn't pay for the game, but it still provides the biggest sample size of reviews we have, literally 20 times bigger than this one.

> Yea it has massive selection bias
> But it has bigger sample size

Bigger sample size does not justify selection bias. all you are doing by increasing the carefully selected sample is reinforcing your false narrative

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Your selection is literally only people who donate money to the game.
This is like trying to do a poll to people who donate money to [insert political party here] and then pretending it is representative of the population at large.

 

[Alterism]

*snip*

The majority of the complaints by sheer volume are as follows

• Tobs
• SkoW
• Etheryn (dickgirls and futas are two different things and she's absolutely not a futadom)
• Corruption
• Sharing
• Romance

And no matter how few bug fixes you'll see in the last 600 posts of this topic, it pales in comparison to just 100 pages in TiTS. To the point that it'd be crazy to even try to compare the two.

Edit: And while I'm at it, that's kind of a wasted point to begin with. Bugs at all are objectively bad no matter what game they're in and are indeed a problem that is an actual problem.

 

[Skandranon]

> Yea it has massive selection bias
> But it has bigger sample size

Bigger sample size does not justify selection bias. all you are doing by increasing the carefully selected sample is reinforcing your false narrative

You must be registered to see the links

Your selection is literally only people who donate money to the game.
This is like trying to do a poll to people who donate money to [insert political party here] and then pretending it is representative of the population at large.

Incorrect. The Patreon is people who donate money to the game. Using THAT as a sample would be a selection bias, as those are clearly people who like it enough to keep buying it.


The Steam page is made of of people who bought the game one time, which doesn't show any kind of approval after actually playing it.

There's no selection bias here.

 

[Tau_Iota]

Incorrect. The Patreon is people who donate money to the game. Using THAT as a sample would be a selection bias, as those are clearly people who like it enough to keep buying it.


The Steam page is made of of people who bought the game one time, which doesn't show any kind of approval after actually playing it.

There's no selection bias here.

tl;dr Skyrim is obviously the better game, and Steam is not reliable for adult game reviews.

Spoiler: Snipping myself because Rant.

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Edit in case it wasn't clear. In no way am I claiming Skyrim is a great RPG. It's a good game but not a good RPG. It's just better than CoC2 at both. I still play Daggerfall FFS, you chuds spend time in jail meanwhile I flee from debtors upon the boat I paid for using said loan. We are not the same.

 

[Skandranon]

tl;dr Skyrim is obviously the better game, and Steam is not reliable for adult game reviews.

Spoiler: Snipping myself because Rant.

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Ima be honest, this is way too much to read/respond to right now (still at work), but two quick responses:


One, sales mean very little in regards to quality. Pokemon is the best selling franchise of all time. I'd rate literally thousands of games I've played as better than the whole franchise, including some that got canned because of low sales.

Shitty gacha games print money like it's going outta style, and I doubt any of us would consider those among the best games we ever played.

Second, the comparisons you making here don't really work, because you're comparing more similar games with similiar goals. CoC2 is better at being a porn game than Skyrim is at being an open world RPG. CoC2 successfully accomplishes its goal (for me, of course) of serving up porn I like and enhancing said porn with a world that gives it context.

Skyrim completely fails to engage me with any part of its world, mechanics or story, and then I can't even rub one off to it afterwards.

Well, I mean... I could. But it wouldn't be a good one.

(Also hot take: all Elder Scrolls are bad. It's a shitty game series, of which Skyrim is competing to be the shittiest with Oblivion. There are sub 30 minute flash games I'd rate above Skyrim).

 

[Biostar]

I genuinely think CoC2 us a better game than Skyrim

Man, pass the kool-aid already. That shit must be kickin'.

 

[Axvz]

Ima be honest, this is way too much to read/respond to right now (still at work), but two quick responses:


One, sales mean very little in regards to quality. Pokemon is the best selling franchise of all time. I'd rate literally thousands of games I've played as better than the whole franchise, including some that got canned because of low sales.

Shitty gacha games print money like it's going outta style, and I doubt any of us would consider those among the best games we ever played.

Second, the comparisons you making here don't really work, because you're comparing more similar games with similiar goals. CoC2 is better at being a porn game than Skyrim is at being an open world RPG. CoC2 successfully accomplishes its goal (for me, of course) of serving up porn I like and enhancing said porn with a world that gives it context.

Skyrim completely fails to engage me with any part of its world, mechanics or story, and then I can't even rub one off to it afterwards.

Well, I mean... I could. But it wouldn't be a good one.

(Also hot take: all Elder Scrolls are bad. It's a shitty game series, of which Skyrim is competing to be the shittiest with Oblivion. There are sub 30 minute flash games I'd rate above Skyrim).

Bruh. I can agree that skyrim isn't the best game or best rpg or whatever. But I surely can't agree that CoC2 is better than skyrim in any way. Well, it might have more sex in it but as RPG:
1) it sucks EVEN compared to skyrim
2) check the first one again

 

[Skandranon]

Well, I'm not gonna keep going off on Skyrim here, I've done it many times over the years already and this isn't really the place for it.

But I really dislike it.
Solid 3/10.

 

[Walk Cycle]

And two: you only have to flip over to the TiTs thread and notice that that game isn't called CoC2 and still gets largely the same complaints to see that that's not the primary issue.

That seems to be a really disingenuous point to make. The only real overlap of CoC2 and TiTS's problems that people like to complain about is the perceived abundance of Futas and dickgirls. People like to complain about the update schedules and abundance of bugs for both, but that can happen in any game really. CoC2's main complaints revolve mostly around content like the [insert everything The Observer and BubbleLord wrote here] and how the Champion acts more like a floating videocam so that we can see the author's OC do cool stuff. The only content in TiTS that gets a similar reaction from the playerbase is Shizuya and the Great Maijin along with Sophora the Stalker Bunny (Embry too to a lesser magnitude).