Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.45] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[ara1111]

I can only really go off what everyone says about kalysea but she certainly doesn't sound like everyone's cup of tea. Everyone is entitled to their opinion though I do agree we could probably turn down the vitriol a little

I don't really get the big deal since she's
A: Optional
B: Someone you have to massively go out of your way to get (giving her like 5 rare items, waiting a week or two)
C: Literally not any different to every single other horse dick futa you cum sucking the dick of in this game, which is a fairly decent portion of the NPC's, given the entire horse race turn women into futa as the default option because their men are canonically not treat like actual people
She's a shit character but I gave her a chance once, saw all the buttstuff and turned away, no issue

 

[Pandect]

I don't really get the big deal since she's
A: Optional
B: Someone you have to massively go out of your way to get (giving her like 5 rare items, waiting a week or two)
C: Literally not any different to every single other horse dick futa you cum sucking the dick of in this game, which is a fairly decent portion of the NPC's, given the entire horse race turn women into futa as the default option because their men are canonically not treat like actual people
She's a shit character but I gave her a chance once, saw all the buttstuff and turned away, no issue

And the guy who commed her even said here, if you don't like it, you're welcome to go spend your wagiebux to have an alt route of whatever you want and he was fine with it.

 

[smithsmithsmith]

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A couple things, your little summary of complaints is kinda pointless since you agree with them in the first line. Nida said that 99% (hyperbolic for the majority) of complaints were about her having a dick and not being submissive, to say the same thing another way in your own words:

A bulk is bemoaning yet another muh-dick futadomme

So that entire section can be safely ignored.

To the next bit pointing out CoC1/TiTs examples of content where you can back out halfway, while I agree from a world building perspective this is neat it's also almost a complete waste of time. This kind of content tends to be an all or nothing affair, almost no one is going to read through half a dozen pages of Kelt treating you like a fleshlight and then decide to stick it to him with the transformation. This is also an unfair complaint to aim at the person paying for the commission since by nature these things are normally paid for based on work load, it's rather entitled to expect them to pay extra for content outside their interests.

To close let's look at your more targeted complaints.

• About as nuanced as a brick to the face.
• Their fetish and general sexual inclination is their entire personality. (Every point I levied towards Sariel applies here)
• One note
  • This is the anal and oral character!

This is fair, almost all her content is entirely sex focused. She gets a few talk scenes once you recruit her but it's still not much to go on.

Inarguably substantially more corrupt than demons but somehow not a demon.

She still has her soul so she's not a demon. Why is a bigger world building issue, the exact process for becoming a demon is kinda nebulous both in CoC1 and CoC2. Corruption is important but not all that matters, Kelt is another example of a character undeniably corrupt and even having a 'demonic aura', but still not considered a demon.

No player choice

• The player triumphing at zero hour? Nah
• The player confronting the offender? Nah
• The player even getting the option to reject the character and removing the quest? Nah

Kinda already talked about this. Also anyone who's seriously upset about having an unfinished quest in the journal, lol.

And don't get me started on companions.

• When the PC is addicted to Marble's milk? Multiple characters show concern and personality. Izma gets downright hostile
• When Lane is siphoning the PC's funds? Multiple characters can be the one to start the intervention.
• When Alexandria is mind controlling the PC? You have to deliberately seal them in their quarters to stop them from interrupting.

You have married wives in your entourage. Yet nobody does anything.

Again, wider world building issue. This kinda stuff went out the window the second the Kas romance option became a thing, I can't see why any of your companions besides Quint would stay with you at that point. It would add more depth to the world if companions reacted but that's seemingly not the direction they're going in, it's even somewhat accounted for given that her bad end (where the majority of the brainwashing happens) takes place during an extended stay away from the group.


TLDR: Your only credible complaint in my opinion is the lack of character depth which could be subject to change if they decide to commission further expansions. Most of your other complaints are tied to larger world building problems and are unreasonable to apply to one specific character.

 

[Walk Cycle]

I don't really get the big deal since she's
A: Optional
B: Someone you have to massively go out of your way to get (giving her like 5 rare items, waiting a week or two)
C: Literally not any different to every single other horse dick futa you cum sucking the dick of in this game, which is a fairly decent portion of the NPC's, given the entire horse race turn women into futa as the default option because their men are canonically not treat like actual people
She's a shit character but I gave her a chance once, saw all the buttstuff and turned away, no issue

The only thing that should really be added is a way to opt out of her content permanently in any stage of her quest, meaning she shouldn't appear at your journal if you don't give her the rest of the items.

CoC1 and TiTS taught me that if I'm not sure of the content of a character, I should make a save before interacting with them. So I was a bit surprised to see people complaining things like: "Kalysea's is still in the game even if I wanted to super-murder her" when they could've just opened a save before interacting with Kaly at all. That's what I did with Kiyoko's amulet, didn't like how it turns out so I just rolled back my save.

 

[Daken9]

Eh, that's a bit too much though. Did find the rant funny and all but still.

Let's gets serious for a moment then. This characters is just futa-dom nr.45609486984560984590684596, only unlike the other 45609486984560984590684595 she keeps getting content because some dude keeps paying for it. And that due to this game's writing direction being as flimsy as the Champion's personality writer by writer- which is how you end up with an abandoned commission like Agni taking up a companion slot.

Though to be fair she's some centaur with no personality beyond dick big, so blends right in with other futas by Wsan.

 

[Nimbus Commando]

Your OC isn't my thing (I like dominating would-be-doms instead, like Arona) but I appreciate the fact that you're somewhat willing to accommodate people with different tastes when you have no real reason to do so since it's your OC and your money and all.

More like their OC is fucking cringe as fuck like 99% of the OCs in this, she is just another futa dom like the million others in this, I swear it's all they damn add in this game.

 

[zwere]

I think people are missing the big picture with this whole OC debacle. The problem with OC commissions is that Savinco have no integrity when it comes to what they let through. Kalysea should've never been added to the game, for no other reason than the fact that she's an almost carbon copy of Orlaith. Futanari centaur, heavy nature theme, you suck and fuck it. Any differentiation is laughably shallow. One turning you into their brainrotted slave doesn't really add enough to make it unique. And the people that make this game couldn't give less of a fuck. Wsan's more than happy to (mostly) rewrite his primary fetish once again. All that matters is they get paid enough to implement it and that it doesn't offend them in some way or fuck with their OCs. Doesn't matter if it's redundant content or not. Someone could probably commission a 1 to 1 clone of an existing character and no one would bat an eye. Oh, and I had a laugh when someone said Wsan writes for commissions "on his own time". I doubt he works 9 to 5 on his main commitment to the game, everything he does is on his own time.

 

[texxy]

Moaning aside, I'd say Kaly is the closest we've gotten to CoC 1's "Fuck around and find out". Rest of the content has been somewhat tame, but in this case, go too far and you end up as braindead battery.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

I can only really go off what everyone says about kalysea but she certainly doesn't sound like everyone's cup of tea. Everyone is entitled to their opinion though I do agree we could probably turn down the vitriol a little

Because she's literally commissioned furry OC of some random nodoby, that Wsan now dedicates his entire time working on. Instead of, you know, making more content for billion other characters he's already in charge of (like Brienne/Brint or Alante).

 

[M0nte]

Alante

He just did.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

He just did.

After 6 years of her being abandoned, and it's just 3 copy-pasted scenes of kissing her asshole.

 

[Alterism]

So that entire section can be safely ignored.

Absolutely not
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TL;DR
There's absolutely nothing wrong with having contradictory opinions to my own. That's how opinions work. It's okay to have one.
However, rather than such an attempt to dismantle mine, simply state your own.

You want to give more positive feedback? By all means do so.
In all of this, not once do you give any real feedback to Nida.


And I typing this out, I've forgotten the broad strokes of a post I wanted to make. Which I guess I'll staple here.

Thank you deeply to the commissioner for spending half his walmart wage to make this game just a bit shittier.

You cut that out. I agree wholeheartedly with;

Holy shit, can we stop personally attacking a person, just because they commissioned something we don´t like.

It's absolutely not fun when discussion turns absolutely vitriolic.

Have you read LT's forum? It's an absolute mess. You can dislike something and be friendly. Nobody here has done something to the level that it requires shade being tossed at their expense. Let's be adults. If not for general decency than for us to avoid having to be moderated to within an inch of our lives to ensure civility.

 

[Skandranon]

Eh, this place has been pretty toxic and echo-chambery for a long time now, I don't particularly expect a massive turnaround from a bit of finger-wagging.

Just gotta shrug it off at this point.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

I think people are missing the big picture with this whole OC debacle. The problem with OC commissions is that Savinco have no integrity when it comes to what they let through. Kalysea should've never been added to the game, for no other reason than the fact that she's an almost carbon copy of Orlaith. Futanari centaur, heavy nature theme, you suck and fuck it. Any differentiation is laughably shallow. One turning you into their brainrotted slave doesn't really add enough to make it unique. And the people that make this game couldn't give less of a fuck. Wsan's more than happy to (mostly) rewrite his primary fetish once again. All that matters is they get paid enough to implement it and that it doesn't offend them in some way or fuck with their OCs. Doesn't matter if it's redundant content or not. Someone could probably commission a 1 to 1 clone of an existing character and no one would bat an eye. Oh, and I had a laugh when someone said Wsan writes for commissions "on his own time". I doubt he works 9 to 5 on his main commitment to the game, everything he does is on his own time.

Hmm. I guess I agree to some extent. Kalysea is very similar to Orlaith though her commissioner would probably disagree but every OC is unique to their creator so it's moot. And yeah, Wsan would be entirely happy with an entire game full of nothing but futataurs.

I'm not sure if a commission pays the game itself money separately from just its chief writer. If that is the case, maybe that's why it was allowed especially if the game isn't getting commissions all that much.

I'll say this for "on his own time", if they have internal deadlines for content and Wsan matches those, anything beyond is "his own time". But considering how brihaus took 3 and a half eternities, I don't believe they're very strict on that other than hard general ones like companion deadlines. If he can genuinely make a living writing for this game that must be a very sweet gig. He actually once mentioned his background once how he was a fuckup before and had tried his hands at different things.

In general I'm just not happy with the content drops we're getting nowadays. Even this patch has like 1 piece of content listed under 5 different bullet points. Is it a coding bottleneck or a writing one I'm just not sure now but a commission taking entire patches isn't a good look.

 

[Cheshire Cat001]

Holy shit, can we stop personally attacking a person, just because they commissioned something we don´t like.

This is true. It's their money, they can use it to commission any optional contents they want as long as the writer and the dev accept it. It's not our place to insult them personally, mocking them with "Walmart wage". They're not personally attacking you, they just want their kink to be added to the game, so they spent money on it. You can agree or disagree with it, but personally attacking them because they commissioning an optional scene just because it's their kink is rude and irrational. If you don't like it, just skip it. It's not shoved to your face.

 

[Bloep]

I see the daily hourly futa hate session is in full swing.
Funny thing is, this is one of the futas that not even i care much for, but you people need to chill a lil' bit.

 

[Skandranon]

I'm not sure if a commission pays the game itself money separately from just its chief writer. If that is the case, maybe that's why it was allowed especially if the game isn't getting commissions all that much.

Commissions technically have nothing to with the game itself AFAIK. You commission an author, and then it's submitted through review, same process whether it's a commission or a community submission, paid or free. Doesn't have to even be an author in the community, I remember someone at one point was trying to get ManyEyedHydra (monstergirl fetish author who posts on other sites) to work in a commission.

The big difference is simply that if you commission one of the main writers for the game...obviously his work is probably good enough to make it into the game (though not always, considering Tobs has gotten some stuff shot down).

 

[harem.king]

The big difference is simply that if you commission one of the main writers for the game...obviously his work is probably good enough to make it into the game (though not always, considering Tobs has gotten some stuff shot down).

quality is irrelevant, this is about connections

 

[Alfred_Hayes1245]

My guessing it's less about people hating on a certain aspects of the game and more of a years of the devs and fans having this dissonance to the point, everyone would've just point finger to something they can see and hate rather than shifting the blame to the true perpetrator of this shitty game.
Savin and Tobs. Yeah fuck those bastards who ruin a title.

 

[Alfred_Hayes1245]

But truthfully speaking, the companions is just... too one sided, and really it's just my own rant but post free Kinu and Kiyoko can be done much better than what the current is, I used to think it's a masterpiece, but as I read through it, the MC get into less of a father and more of a bumbling fool who are happy with what he's given and not searching for anything more.
Like sure, the whole Kitsune as a whole is a matriarchy based society, but they are also traditional to the point, like is it so hard to ask for advice from your other parent.
Seriously what type of childhood does Tobs have, like sure my father is distant but for something like marriage, I sure as hell would ask him for an input.