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That is not how they worded it. They were speaking in absolutes. You do not need to read it. Most of kitsune writing that is related to there plot is related to Kinu. Which I think is a bigger problem here. Since some players could miss majority of content if, you know, they dared to play without a dick.

Most of the things that is written for rest of them as of now are character and culture related. And of sexual kind. Rindu is only one that really could make you feel uncomfortable since we are dealing with concept of you helping someone to get over there traumatic experience by fucking them. But we did that with Ryn so I feel nothing about it. Now, I am not writing off everything bad about him off. I have major problems with his writing, but I feel that most off it is not really related to his writing of kitsune. A lot of it feels like it belongs in the game. Since a lot of the game is talking about culture, its people then going about fucking them. Tobs is just the one that took it the furthest. And while this is obvious case of japanophilia, I do not see big problem here. The worst thing about it is that it is cliche. But to me it does bring down monotony of seeing creatures and cultures mostly taken from western influence.
I'm just irritated in the sense that the writing seems to force me to be an actual character. You can have your character do or say or think things that you wouldn't normally wouldn't. Made especially more annoying by Tobs not taking into account that the player can have different traits that would make his writing need to be changed to fit them. Like one of my favorite being that whenever tobs writes sex scenes you're usually an amazing lover even if you say, have a 3 inch dick or a ginormous dick that could pierce the colon.

With the kitsune though, I'd say the writing just made me annoyed because I feel it's just clunky. The writing is meandering and just prattles on. I don't really have an issue with the Japan theme, but boy does Tobs just bite off more than he can chew. Because at best it adds some interesting flavor to some scenes, but the rest of the time is honestly cringe or boring.
 

destroyerofassholes

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I like how Tobs' kitsune are like the deadhorse of this entire thread. Every 20 pages or so someone lights a fire again and the collective shitting and defending of Tobs begins.

This is like, the 5th time I see the exact same arguments now? It's a very divisive topic, but not for the right reasons. You can simply avoid content you don't like like Evelyn for example, but many people like the fox girl but hate everything surrounding her. That's just bad design.
 

M0nte

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can i use old save on new version
There should be no problem in loading past saves.

I'm just irritated in the sense that the writing seems to force me to be an actual character. You can have your character do or say or think things that you wouldn't normally wouldn't. Made especially more annoying by Tobs not taking into account that the player can have different traits that would make his writing need to be changed to fit them. Like one of my favorite being that whenever tobs writes sex scenes you're usually an amazing lover even if you say, have a 3 inch dick or a ginormous dick that could pierce the colon.

With the kitsune though, I'd say the writing just made me annoyed because I feel it's just clunky. The writing is meandering and just prattles on. I don't really have an issue with the Japan theme, but boy does Tobs just bite off more than he can chew. Because at best it adds some interesting flavor to some scenes, but the rest of the time is honestly cringe or boring.
That is almost every writer. Every writer writes us with specific characteristics in mind. Those being:
We are good at sex no matter the circumstances.
We are "smooth talker" that has a "witty" remarks for every occasion.
We are not allowed to kill anything that is not corrupted beyond repair.
We care for anyone that we can knock up/can knock us up.

Those are characteristics we follow almost always. Now , because of how this game is written, where every character is specific sex scene and fetish in itself, how our character acts inside of them usually varies. But most of the time, in cases where you are one fucking, you are usually dominant, and when you are taking it, you are submissive.

Now explain to me how our character is any different when Tobs is writing them. The only thing really different about his way of writing is how kitsune do not treat us as best thing since slice bread. Which, while I do find breath of fresh air, I can see how it can be annoying. Still, you are being way to vague since you really are not giving examples, like Atomic did, to back up your points.

I like how Tobs' kitsune are like the deadhorse of this entire thread. Every 20 pages or so someone lights a fire again and the collective shitting and defending of Tobs begins.

This is like, the 5th time I see the exact same arguments now? It's a very divisive topic, but not for the right reasons. You can simply avoid content you don't like like Evelyn for example, but many people like the fox girl but hate everything surrounding her. That's just bad design.
I find it fun. It is nice to talk to people here about a topic, even if it is repeating one. Since it is better then just accepting everything that developer/writer does.

And it is not as divisive as you think it is. Most people like characters such as Rindo, Imagine and twins. Most people just do not have strong opinions on there society one way or another. A lot of people wish that other writers would implement some form of interactions with your children like tobs did. The character that most people here complain about such as Nakono are disliked here, on forums and by his grandmother. But the character that most people do not give shit about is not written by Tobs, but by Bubbles. So that one is not on him.

People that complain here are small minority.And most of the time, they are making a mess of things because of there speed reading. Like the person that complained about not being more loved once he turned into Kitsune. Not knowing difference between respect and admiration.
 
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destroyerofassholes

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There should be no problem in loading past saves.


That is almost every writer. Every writer writes us with specific characteristics in mind. Those being:
We are good at sex no matter the circumstances.
We are "smooth talker" that has a "witty" remarks for every occasion.
We are not allowed to kill anything that is not corrupted beyond repair.
We care for anyone that we can knock up/can knock us up.

Those are characteristics we follow almost always. Now , because of how this game is written, where every character is specific sex scene and fetish in itself, how our character acts inside of them usually varies. But most of the time, in cases where you are one fucking, you are usually dominant, and when you are taking it, you are submissive.

Now explain to me how our character is any different when Tobs is writing them. The only thing really different about his way of writing is how kitsune do not treat us as best thing since slice bread. Which, while I do find breath of fresh air, I can see how it can be annoying. Still, you are being way to vague since you really are not giving examples, like Atomic did, to back up your points.


I find it fun. It is nice to talk to people here about a topic, even if it is repeating one. Since it us better then just accepting everything that developer/writers does.

And it is not as divisive as you think it is. Most people like characters such as Rindo, Imagine and twins. Most people just do not have strong opinions on there society one way or another. A lot of people wish that other writers would implement some form of interactions with your children like tobs did. The character that most people here complain about such as Nakono are disliked here, on forums and by his grandmother. But the character that most people do not give shit about is not written by Tobs, but by Bubbles. So that one is not on him.

People that complain here are small minority.And most of the time, they are making a mess of things because of there speed reading. Like the person that complained about not being more loved once he turned into Kitsune. Not knowing difference between respect and admiration.
I think you're missing this, the "most people" you are talking about, especially on Fenoxo's forums, are already sycophants. Fenoxo's forum is not a place where you can freely criticize the developers and not get shat on. The culture there is very...dick-ridey. It's all praise and shits and giggles. So you have here, and here the people defending Tobs are very much the minority. Any post shitting on Tobs gets dozens of likes, if that is a measure of Tobs-hate here.

But neither place is a good measure of what "most people" think. That's a fallacy.

The vast majority of people don't actually care for any of this and just move on.

I especially refuse to believe "most people" like Rindo. I recall her patch and the comments were hilarious. She has such terrible pretentious poetry in her sex scenes lmao. "And with one more touch, to wash all that away" or some other hilarious shit like that. People here were having a field day with how shit her scenes were and how INCREDIBLY stupid the idea of fucking her trauma away was.

Meanwhile on Fenoxo's, people were sucking Tobs' cock for his amazing writing. Droves of posts on the update page's comments talking about her quality and shit.




Either way I'm genuinely tired of the topics. Tobs really isn't worth arguing about. Everyone has made up their minds about his type of writing and I doubt anyone will change their thoughts on it.
 

M0nte

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I think you're missing this, the "most people" you are talking about, especially on Fenoxo's forums, are already sycophants. Fenoxo's forum is not a place where you can freely criticize the developers and not get shat on. The culture there is very...dick-ridey. It's all praise and shits and giggles. So you have here, and here the people defending Tobs are very much the minority. Any post shitting on Tobs gets dozens of likes, if that is a measure of Tobs-hate here.

But neither place is a good measure of what "most people" think. That's a fallacy.

The vast majority of people don't actually care for any of this and just move on.

I especially refuse to believe "most people" like Rindo. I recall her patch and the comments were hilarious. She has such terrible pretentious poetry in her sex scenes lmao. "And with one more touch, to wash all that away" or some other hilarious shit like that. People here were having a field day with how shit her scenes were and how INCREDIBLY stupid the idea of fucking her trauma away was.

Meanwhile on Fenoxo's, people were sucking Tobs' cock for his amazing writing. Droves of posts on the update page's comments talking about her quality and shit.




Either way I'm genuinely tired of the topics. Tobs really isn't worth arguing about. Everyone has made up their minds about his type of writing and I doubt anyone will change their thoughts on it.
I remember people mostly feeling indifferent to Rindo, most people have forgotten that she exists, then saying something along the line "I like her, but she reminds of that one character/game". So she was liked, but not to overwhelming degree. Sure there are people that dislike here, but people dislike a lot of characters here, me included. And me personally, I like her, but at same time, yeah, the language used in some of those scenes are too flowery, sheekey.

And if you were so tired of this, you would have not participated in this conversation. I mean, I am obviously not tired,I like to argue, but really only when I feel something is worth arguing about. And I mean, true, this place is much less filtered then Fenoxo forums, but I personally do not see much higher quality critic. That just means people, me included, can say anything we want without fearing the consequences. And only way for you to gauge if what you are saying is liked is by reaction score, which in itself is not good way to gauge it.

And really there is nothing wrong with people recycling stuff for thread discussion. That is how most threads go on any forum. As long as people are willing to talk, let them. And It is not really like we got anything new to talk about. Except the new shortstack. But they are bugged so I am not interested about talking about them as of this moment.
 
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That is how people usually write there cultures, be they japanese or not. Rome is big and great (when you take out all caviats and actual, you know,problems with it), Athenes is full of smart and cultured people and so on and so on. But yeah, it does get tiering to see it. But as I said, I do not have problem with them or there concept. Now I am not that versed in Japanese culture. I only have some knowledge from anime/manga, books and some documentaries on it. But I do consider it an OK representation of some part of it, even if it just above skin deep. A lot of stuff, such as bathing etiquette, clothing and some parts of culture are so prominent in media. And I do not feel that you need to be that deep into a culture to represent it in your fiction.
I apologize for the lateness of the response, but for the most i agree with you, a lot of times caricatures of the culture are used in place of the actual cultures in games due either lack of time or whatever other reason, as such only the most important parts are put in and i do not have a problem with that. I think its generally unreasonable for you to expect a perfect recreation of their culture without mixing something up.

Now to criticize it, that is another thing. And I do feel there is something new in here, considering that Kitsune that we interact here are as much of an outsider to there own as we are to them. Them being part of a back water colony, as they call it, makes for some interesting conversations and such. While it still gets looped around to having to deal with honor and all that jizz, If it written enough to please me, I honestly can not explain. But honestly, I would like you to be more specific in your problems with it, since a lot of comments here feel vague.
I mean it was more of an overall critique of the isolationist Japan in general rather than just COC 2 specifically, like the whole adding the suffix for respect thing, it seemed like whatever xenophobia came from it seemed to be coincidental. Whether it isnt like that i cant really say due to going off on memory. I agree that the idea of a backwater colony is interesting due to how we picture Japan today, but i'd personally like to see a conflict akin to the Japan vs China wars.
 

taizen34

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I can understand the dislike of the kitsune and it did suck having a good month or two of updates that I straight up ignored. Does it bother anyone else that so many of the races in coc2 are nekomimi last I counted like half the races were mimi of some form.
I remember Savin saying something about how he actually hates furries/furry designs and that's why there are so many mimi races. Thought that was sarcasm at one point, but maybe it isn't? Can't remember exactly which topic it was in on the board though.
 
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I especially refuse to believe "most people" like Rindo. I recall her patch and the comments were hilarious. She has such terrible pretentious poetry in her sex scenes lmao. "And with one more touch, to wash all that away" or some other hilarious shit like that. People here were having a field day with how shit her scenes were and how INCREDIBLY stupid the idea of fucking her trauma away was.
I just can't get past the fact that she's written as crying through most of her sex scene, like who thinks that's a good way to write having sex with a character traumatised by terrible burns? Even outside the super over the top writing, scene just feels kind of gross to me.
Makes me feel like a fucking sex offender, and not even in the fun corrupted way.


And really there is nothing wrong with people recycling stuff for thread discussion. That is how most threads go on any forum. As long as people are willing to talk, let them. And It is not really like we got anything new to talk about.
Def agree with this, arguments kind of go in circles but it's still a huge huge huge step up from "update when" or arguing about fetishes like basically every other thread has.

Has been a while since there's been a "is cait ntr" fight though, feel like we're behind schedule :unsure:
 
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redcynic

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If i recall, "fuck away the trauma" was literally one of the reasons people had an issue with jack from mass effect, right?. The difference (i guess?) being that in CoC2 Sex is literally a magical event sometimes, iunno.

As for Cait, maybe the actual fetish Cait panders to is people who get horny from being mad at something. That'd explain a lot of the discussion around COC2 actually!

and as an actual question so as not to throw my dubious status of occasional actual contributor away, can you lesbeans Rindo or is she dick to ride only?
 

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As for Cait, maybe the actual fetish Cait panders to is people who get horny from being mad at something. That'd explain a lot of the discussion around COC2 actually!
Nope, it was intended for people with sharing fetish or having a female fuck buddy for a threesome with female pc. People just hate her for having more scenes than PC and gets more spotlight tbh lol. Some just dislikes sharing their harem too. So showing her fucking in front of these kinds of player doesn't help the fire.

There you go. One serving of Cait hate.
 

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So we’ve had some bugs with the UI and Lyric lately; hopefully those are all fixed up now! If you continue to experience issues, please tell us about them on ! And hey, have a big swathe of new scenes for our favorite shrine maidens to make up for lost time!

0.3.32 Patch Notes:

  • Miko & Mai have a new suite of sex scenes (incl. Arona 4some) (Written by TheObserver)
  • Lyric has had some bug fixes and adjustments (preg should work properly, cooldown and damage reduced and can’t crit, electrum should max out and reduce over time correctly)
  • The messed up status icon/inventory/equipment UIs on certain screen resolutions should be fixed
  • New talk scene with Kiyoko/Kinu once they’ve been freed (Written by TheObserver)
  • Lusamine/Cait have a new scene ( , coded by Squishy)
  • You can return Elthara’s scythe to her
  • We’ve started an effort to make Kiyoko/Kinu respect your spousal/parental pronouns, please report any incorrect ones that you still encounter!
  • New Codex: Dryad
  • New Hime Kinu CG that can show up sometimes when you interact with her
  • New Busts: Ogrish, Synneva (Friendly), and Meira (Cocked)
  • Fixed Syrish bust (she has spots on her clothed now too)
As always, you can become a backer and support the game’s development on…
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M0nte

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This patch...
So we’ve had some bugs with the UI and Lyric lately; hopefully those are all fixed up now! If you continue to experience issues, please tell us about them on ! And hey, have a big swathe of new scenes for our favorite shrine maidens to make up for lost time!

0.3.32 Patch Notes:

  • Miko & Mai have a new suite of sex scenes (incl. Arona 4some) (Written by TheObserver)
  • Lyric has had some bug fixes and adjustments (preg should work properly, cooldown and damage reduced and can’t crit, electrum should max out and reduce over time correctly)
  • The messed up status icon/inventory/equipment UIs on certain screen resolutions should be fixed
  • New talk scene with Kiyoko/Kinu once they’ve been freed (Written by TheObserver)
  • Lusamine/Cait have a new scene ( , coded by Squishy)
  • You can return Elthara’s scythe to her
  • We’ve started an effort to make Kiyoko/Kinu respect your spousal/parental pronouns, please report any incorrect ones that you still encounter!
  • New Codex: Dryad
  • New Hime Kinu CG that can show up sometimes when you interact with her
  • New Busts: Ogrish, Synneva (Friendly), and Meira (Cocked)
  • Fixed Syrish bust (she has spots on her clothed now too)
As always, you can become a backer and support the game’s development on…
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!
… or !
It is like culmination of everything that we complained about since the last one. Kitsune content, nerfing of Lyrics ass and its damage output. And Savins slut Cait is having a go at Bubbles whore Lusamine.
You just love to see it.


We’ve started an effort to make Kiyoko/Kinu respect your spousal/parental pronouns, please report any incorrect ones that you still encounter!
Holy shit, they are fucking doing it!?! YES, FUCK YES! This is worth the patch in itself. I will not have to go through gender dysphoria every time I have to talk to Kinu ever again! Even though I am just a guy playing a hentai game as a girl with a dick. At least it made me even more sympathetic torwords trans and non binary people in real life. Funny how life works.
I know that I should not be that happy since they fixed an obvious mistake that in itself was created from writers stubbornness, but fuck it, I though that I would never get to see the day where it was fixed.
 
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M0nte

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Nah, everything that I said is how I really feal. And besides, it did not have /s at the end, so you know it is serious.

But nah, I am 100 percent serious. That was probably one of my major problems with this game.
First, every other person in this game called you by gendered pronoun, title and correct parent gender designation. So it was really fucking jarring when you get to that point, have yourself a child and suddenly, no matter what you are at that moment, no matter how you presented yourself and how others referred to you, Kinu always greeted you as her "father". Sure, I fulfilled the role of a "father" and Kiyoko that of a mother, but rest of the game referred to you still as mother of other children, even If you were not the one to bear them.
Second, to me it was the biggest example of thing that people here complain about. It felt like you played as someone else character, not your own. As I said, that is also the problem with rest of the game, but that is where to me it felt most jarring.
And lastly, the last thing, gender dysphoria was actually the thing I felt. Or that is closest way for me to corelate my feeling to things that people in experience in real world. I am not claiming that what I felt comes to anything close what trans and non binary people experience when someone does not ancowledge them or dead names them. But it did make me feel inadequate since it felt like the game was judging me since I was not play as man, like I did something wrong for trying to roleplay as someone that I was not. Which is not something that I felt in any other scenario in this game, even those written by Tobs. Which was doubly strange that he wanted to stick to it since he, like everyone else, always respected what you chose to play as in rest of his writing. Which also sucked, since I enjoy Kinu as a character, but whenever she referred to me as her "father", it would take me out of my experience. And there is nothing worse that game can do then make you realize that you are just a guy in a chair playing a hentai game. And it made any of her content less and less appealing to me.

So yeah, once again, to repeat myself. I am not being sarcastic. I honestly feel happy about this. Probably best thing they ever put in patch notes since start of 2020.
 
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redcynic

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Yo for real the whole ass patch is our debate/complaint list lmao

also stealth edit because proper pronouns are important even in a porn game

second stealth edit: the second comment on fen's forum post is CAIT ANAL WHEN. The cross contamination!!!
 
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