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Hey guys! so...i read the (Very Outdated) Wikia and found a nifty little bit
where it explains that Souls aren't a person's spiritual form but rather it's capacity for Empathy/it's Morality given form and the thing that gives them the ability to care for anyone other than themselves.
While the SPIRIT for lack of a better word IS your Spiritual self given form, so TECHNICALLY there is an explanation there about how Kiyoko can still be alive since Kitsunes lack a SOUL and not a SPIRIT, so there...some method to the madness of the Kitsunes.
But now that poses the very, VERY uncomfortable question about your relationship with Kiyoko, Kinu and the Kitsunes in general: Did they ever Cared for you?
HELL their own relationships among eachother where they show COMPANIONSHIP AND GENUINE CARE FOR EACHOTHER SHOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE IF SOULS-ARE-EMPATHY-AND-THEY-DON'T-HAVE-ONE! they should behave exactly like Kass albeit more polite since their cultural shtick...but i guess NOBODY TOLD THE OBSERVER THAT LITTLE FACT WHEN HE DECIDED TO MAKE KITSUNELAND!
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While the SPIRIT for lack of a better word IS your Spiritual self given form, so TECHNICALLY there is an explanation there about how Kiyoko can still be alive since Kitsunes lack a SOUL and not a SPIRIT, so there...some method to the madness of the Kitsunes.
But now that poses the very, VERY uncomfortable question about your relationship with Kiyoko, Kinu and the Kitsunes in general: Did they ever Cared for you?
HELL their own relationships among eachother where they show COMPANIONSHIP AND GENUINE CARE FOR EACHOTHER SHOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE IF SOULS-ARE-EMPATHY-AND-THEY-DON'T-HAVE-ONE! they should behave exactly like Kass albeit more polite since their cultural shtick...but i guess NOBODY TOLD THE OBSERVER THAT LITTLE FACT WHEN HE DECIDED TO MAKE KITSUNELAND!
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Kitsune share one big soul as Keros described it. One of your rewards as champion of Keros is you being able to join them in afterlife, by making you a part of kitsune society as whole.
Well, not exactly nothing. She does show up in new bad end. Pretty fun one, I may add. But that is basically it.
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I know that, i'm pointing out that The Game's Lore seems to flip back and forth about what a Soul IS quite alot, for one side you have the wikia stating that Souls and Spirits AREN'T the same, a Spirit is the ethereal recollection of your person, your memories, thoughts, feelings etc, a Soul however is your Empathy/Moral/Capacity to care for people besides yourself and this makes Kitsune a huge contradiction because:
1) While it makes sense Kiyoko can exist as a Spirit since even if she lacks a Soul that's not what the game considers as the "Core" for someone to exist without a body/in spiritual form, NOW you gotta face the fact she lacks a Soul, the thing in charge of giving her Empathy/the ability to give a damn about you, or Kinu, or her God or anyone but Herself! (essentially she is the same as Kassyrra.)
2) Same thing applies to every other Kitsune that exists, Keros is not holding their spiritual beings in that "Collective Soul", what he is holding there is their COLLECTIVE MORALITY/EMPATHY, so while as a God he could make an Afterlife for all the Kitsune to go to when they die that is not linked to wether or not all their souls belong to Keros in the first place, they still have Spirits as Kiyoko shows, and they should all be behaving like frigging Skavens from Warhammer not giving a damn about anyone but themselves since that capacity to care is what Keros is collecting!
so Which one is it? are ALL Kitsunes just behaving in a way that SHOULDN'T be possible to them because Plothole/Expressing the capacity to give a fuck for other people they never had to beguin with?
OR
Souls ARE your spiritual being manifested and the whole Empathy thing is bullshit meaning that Kiyoko is still a massive Plothole and shouldn't be trapped as a spirit to beguin with?
Either way you slice it seems to me there's a plothole here.
or, more likely:
they were trying to be deep and different and completely forgot about their own definitions for shit.
like how savin forgot how big of a dick etheryn can take lul
Well the Kitsunes are almost entirely The Observer's special snowflake aren't they? i can totally see him forget their own rules and just writting whatever the fuck he wants i mean, ain't that Kinu in a nutshell?
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They still have a soul. The thing is, there collective soul is not inside of there bodies like with rest of the races. It is in some other plane, outside of them. That is basic jist of it. As long as they are connected to that soul, they have empathy and all that other stuff that differentiates them from demons.
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Yeah, I don't know about that explanation for souls. Kasyrra seems to show genuine grief over he "daughters" in the WC encounter, and the demon merchant's account contradicts the "lack of empathy" explanation, describing it as "inhibitions". But of course, in CoC1, the soul was just your spiritual self, no long-winded explanation needed.
How do you share a soul if the soul isn't inside you? Is it like the cloud, and they just download soul stuffy when they need it? Also, if they share this big-ass soul, then why do they need to eat souls?
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True that, doesn't help either that the wikia has been abbandoned for god knows how long, at this point Souls sound more like the Macguffing of the game, they are whatever the plot needs them to be.
BTW it would be HILARIOUS if it was the Empathy thing all along and giving your soul to one of the Gods allowed your character to become more selfish/self-centered and unloked certain "Corruption" path but i doubt they have that in mind seeing how little corruption content there is.
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Heh, that would mean that all of the gods' most zealous followers are actually demons, meaning that they would also spread corruption everywhere they go. And corruption bares the land and turns flora and fauna into dangerous monsters, meaning that the gods' influence is malignant, just like the demons'. Wow, did Savin even consider the implications of this lore change?
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Best way to describe it is like this. You know shows about giant robots. Well, in most cases, the person that controls the giant Robot does it from inside of it. That is how most souls do it. But at same time, other merchandise toys get controlled remotly from some other room by sending them commands. Like joystic controlled toy car. That is a kitsune soul.
As for sexual feeding, as far as I understand, is like this.What is keeping kitsunes and everyone souls connected to physical world is their bodies. Since Kitsunes soul is not directly inside of them, their connection and with it their physical form is not as stable as it is with other species. So they need to keep there bodies from degrading. And what makes up your bodies? From kitsunes understanding, Chi. So they need chi from other species to keep there conection constant. Basic gist of it.
What being a demon means is not that you only lose your soul from your body, you also lose connection to it. So as long as we keep our conection to it, we are find and dandy.
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Imma be honest, I still think that this entire devil's advocate for savin stuff completely falls apart considering that Kas did feel what seems like genuine sadness for the death of her lizard experiment shits, and saw them as her daughters. That seems like empathy. And one of her goals seems to be to have a true child, not like a "soulless" imp, which again, would kinda require empathy to even care about.
I think we can all agree that the writers as a whole established some rules, only to promptly throw them out of the way and do whatever they want.
Because the "soul is empathy, and spirit is like, the actual soul" shit makes 0 sense and many in-game things simply seem to not adhere to them, case in point the main fucking villain.
Who is also, for whatever fucking reason, is capable of "loving you" in one of the bad ends, when her ...soul??? spirit??? is stolen and put next to you.
And I don't see anything stating that Kas is a special demon who still has her soul or anything. Or that she has a connection to it. Or anything, really.
Not like I'm complaining about that bad ending, cuz I do like Kas and I hope we get to make her a waifu somehow, but yeah this entire soul/spirit argument is pretty pointless because the authors give less of a shit about this than any of us do as we write these essays about them.
im also kinda sick and cant rly write anything comprehensible
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Belive me, I am not putting much effort into what I am writing half of the time. These are just things that game explained to me and I am just abridging them to people here.
Everything that I wrote seems to make sense. Now if the game is following the rules that it itself set up, is debatable.
For example, lacking in empathy. Empathy, in its most basic terms, is the ability to understand and share the feelings of another. Now what does it exactly mean, in the game, to lose it? From what I understand, it makes you unable to understand people emotionally (not logically) and you do not consider others when you are trying to accomplish your goals. So that does not mean you lack emotions, it means you just become self centered when pursuing your plans.
So it could explain from certain point of view Kas actions. She is not doing anything for our sake, she is doing it for hers. She is not letting us keep our soul because out if goodness of her heart. She is letting us keep it because she wants us to get stronger. Since, as in OG, souls have power, and ours is especially special and strong one. Her falling in love with us does not mean that she is considering our emotions and feelings into equation. It just means that she fell in love with us. Her desire for children just means that she wants children. How she gets it, does not matter.
Now this all seems to vague for my licking. Since empathy in itself is such wide term. What other person consider empathy could be seen as selfish desire to others. And some people could do some things out of empathy, others could do same things out of selfish reasons.
But as you said, maybe they did it purporsly that way. To make it easier for them to write. Would not be the first time authors did something out of pure laziness.
I think the main way we differ is that I consider empathy a requirement to even feel things like love in the first place, even the most selfish, unhealthy feelings of love have to have like a milligram of empathy to function. But then it comes to semantics, what is empathy, how wide is the term, where can we limit its meaning? And at that point it's not worth it to discuss over a porn game.
I'm completely fine with the stuff you write, but it's extremely obvious the writers give no fucks about the rules....which is why I don't think we should take them seriously (or even as canon) at this point either.
Also on a side note, let's take "souls have power" as an example.
This is a classic example of them not caring. The soul here definitely means "spirit" (because it's such a generic thing for souls to have power, it's expected). As in the classical meaning of a soul, that they decided to call the capacity for empathy here. So why the f is it "souls have power", when it should be "spirits have power"?
So what, if we are strong because of our special soul, does that mean we are super empathetic? Wouldn't that make us negative corrupt, in a sense? Since being corrupt is not having empathy. But you can be super powerful and have 100 corruption in both games. Which means no soul. And no empathy. But you have power. Because you were born special with a special soul.
I think they themselves confuse their own terms of soul and spirit all the time. They give "soul" a specific meaning but continue to call it by its classical definition.
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I'm just going to headcanon that souls and spirits are the same thing because it's easier than trying to follow Savin's convoluted explanation for his inconsistent writing. Demons are extremely self-centered but do not entirely lack empathy; they're just uninhibited and their consciousness doesn't persist after death. There, I fixed it.
Same, also Kiyoko is there because...reasons (we could advocate that Keros is just living up to his title as the Trickster God and all Kitsunes have souls and he is just doing a MASSIVE prank on them for shits and giggles making them believe they're souless? because frankly Kitsunes seem to have WAY TOO MUCH self-restrain/Actually give a fuck for eachother to be the same as Kass.)
The whole lack of soul making you a psychopath thing really makes me think he was watching too much Supernatural. It worked inconsistently there, too. Unless the humanoids/sentient whatevers of his worlds are lacking something in their brain that we in the real world have (I guess, unless you believe souls exist in the real world), that their "souls" are compensating for, it really doesn't make any sense for its presence (or lack of) to drastically alter one's personality in the first place.
It's better to just avoid trying to analyze this kind of writing. If it's entertaining and the smut is good, that's probably all that matters.
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And here I am enjoying it because it is one of few porn games that actually has gameplay in it. That is not just you clicking few buttons so that you get to that one scene that is basically just one image with some movement with text in it. Or 3D game that looks like it was rendered in blender using actual blender. That has actual constant updates every month. And that lets me play as dickgirl and be bisexual boy slut. I am not hard please, everyone else is just shit at pleasing me.
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While a thiccer and fluffier Cait appeals to me in theory, the art for it is kinda offputting. Something about the face. Ironically, this was the same issue with the thicc expansion for Anno from TiTS.