Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.32] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

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Skandranon said:
That...doesn't mean much at all. Getting on Steam is trivial. The reason a lot of h-games aren't on there is because they don't meet the content qualifications, not a quality standard.
There are ridiculously lazy and bad games on Steam. Straight up asset flips that are literally just copy and pasted other games with different titles. Being on Steam is avalaible to almost anyone with little to no effort.



Thats not really a lot.

32k x 12= 384000. Divide that by 9 (note, don't actually know how many people are on the dev team, just a ballpark number) and that's...42k a year, per person. Subtract operating costs. Subtract taxes. We're probably hovering at around...30-35k per person?

Of course, there's also the Subscribestar and Steam money (which will both probably be significantly less), but all in all, they're probably making like....slightly more than manager at a MCDonald's money.

Certainly not the average salary for a game dev in the USA which a quick google search tells me is...
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...92k?

Now I'm not going to quibble at amount of work expected per dollar made, but saying they get what looks like a bunch of money on Patreon therefore should be expected to do more seems a bit skewed. Heck, half of them probably have other jobs.



Without context of how much they're already working, seems like drawing the line of what you personally expect from them seems arbitrary. Is there an example of someone out there putting out as much content of CoC but way more in depth?
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You may have a point with the more minor members of the team and I do agree with the steam point as their quality control is really lacking these days. However with Savin himself you are wrong. He is a major part of the TiTs team he recieved funding for TiTs along with Fenoxo as well. Do you think the little content produced monthly is acceptable? I have seen 1 man devs on here hit their deadlines every month with weekly updates and they pay voice actors and artists as well as have less than half the income. It is fair for anyone to criticise the CoC 2 for underperforming when fellow H game devs are doing a much better job.I can't speak for the coding but I will agree coding for CoC 2 cannot be easy.

Don't want to go too off topic so thanks again for the leaks I know it has made me personally feel a lot more positive about the game. Do you have any idea what the next major update will be from the document?
 
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fetishgirl said:
Do you think the little content produced monthly is acceptable?
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I don't personally think they're producing a "little content" per month is the issue here.

Just in May they put out:

3 bath NPCs (Yonzan and Noire and Klemaia)
Expansion for Livrea
Scenes for Arona+orcs, Infrith, and Marefolk Shaman
Large new expansion for Aileh, complete with kid


That's not counting the last patch which was technically part of Mayternity and came out June 2nd.

That's upwards of two hours of stuff, if you're actually doing and reading all the content. Aileh alone I know took me upwards of 30 minutes to go through. I can't think of many games here that put out even a half hour a month. Summertime Saga, one of the biggest games on here, probably puts out that amount of playtime every 4 or 5 months.

From everything I've played COC2 is easily one of the most productive games on this website in sheer quantity, if not the most.



Don't want to go too off topic so thanks again for the leaks I know it has made me personally feel a lot more positive about the game. Do you have any idea what the next major update will be from the document?
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Major? Dunno.

Apparently, Savin just made Wsan write an Evelyn scene, so that should be soon. After that Wsan is going into a big project that isn't Brint's family, sooo...I'm guessing either the arena or the slums? Just a guess though.

Savin isn't done writing Ryns quest, so thats far out still.

Berwyn's quest, actually is the really big thing I've seen that should be soon. It started being coded like a month ago, SO I would think theoretically it should be this month, and has major changes for the doggie.
 
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Skandranon said:
Without context of how much they're already working, seems like drawing the line of what you personally expect from them seems arbitrary. Is there an example of someone out there putting out as much content of CoC but way more in depth?
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The arbitrary comment feels rather unnecessary :HideThePain:

Skandranon said:
That...doesn't mean much at all. Getting on Steam is trivial. The reason a lot of h-games aren't on there is because they don't meet the content qualifications, not a quality standard.
There are ridiculously lazy and bad games on Steam. Straight up asset flips that are literally just copy and pasted other games with different titles. Being on Steam is available to almost anyone with little to no effort.
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I think your underselling my point. Just because shitty games are on steam does not lower the quality expectation of other games. You have to fill out forms, build your page , pay fees etc. Saying their is no effort to be put into it is disingenuous because ironically enough a lot of work is put into it. Thus, at least to me making it more professional. So when I see a pateron making 32k a month, a website dedicated to the game and a fully fleshed out steam page I'm going to be expecting something more professional.

But I'm stupid and maybe your right I'm expecting too much out of estranged furries on the internet
 
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Speaking of hidden stuff, here is the example of variations you find in some of the code. Text by me

"Putting a hand onto his chin, you twist his head [pc.heightRange 0 67 75|downwards||upwards], forcing him to face you like the man he claims to be. What once would be a cause for him to lash out against his better judgment, is now nothing more than another sigh of the forgone conclusion that he is, in fact, yours. [someone.is fpfp
|Your never ending stare makes that fact all the more apparent for your [pc.isdcb|sissy|cowboy|cowy], for he can feel every bit of control you exude over him. All that battle hardened valor that he once proud himself on? Gone, replaced with the diminutive creature that you built for your pleasure and nothing more.
|There is no hope of escape for the strapping lad, for his future is all but a part of your legacy, so he best learn how to jive with it. And that much he understands, as his coal black eyes observe you with great amount of trepidation yet flickering adoration.
|Despite knowing what he once was, the cowboy standing in front of you fits his new role like a glove – perfect almagination of docility and loyalty and all of it packaged into an adorable little thing.
|Because of your influence, there is none of that misguided aggression or machismo. None. All of it replaced with something resembling a genuine improvement in behavior and character. And some actual sexual proficiency as a partner.
] Gods, why keep yourself waiting when you can indulge in the fruits of your labor?"

And let me tell you, writing for Ryn or Berwyn makes one reconsider their choice in hobbies.

"|"Ummmmm, Champion, I am going to take a walk if you do not mind." Ryn whispers to your [pc.ears], not wanting to be heard by the [pc.dcb|mut|hellohound|pup] that is watching you two with great interest. "I, ummm, just do not feel comfortable around Estus." she finishes, fidgeting in place as if trying to brush off a sense of guilt for [pc.isDK||seemingly] wasting your time.

[ryn.libidoRange 0 50
|[pc.dcb
|Still, you understand. Despite how meek and unassuming she can end up being, she is still, in fact, royalty so there is no need for her to mingle with the[ryn.married|current and former ]peasants. For, of course, she has her image to uphold. So go on, off she goes.
|Oh, the poor girl is too dependent on you to act on her behalf. [pc.corruptionRange 0 40|She should relax and spend her free time however she wants.|Aint that precious? So precious that you will allow it.
|[pc.corruptionRange 40
|Oh dear you, why is she justifying herself to you like you are her consciousness? She should live a little and do whatever her heart desires – for her sake.|Oh, it is so nice of her to consider your opinion in the matter. She certainly may.]"

I think that one of the faults of the system is also that it is hard to tell when your choices affect certain things. But most of the time, they are there.
 
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IudexGundyr said:
The arbitrary comment feels rather unnecessary :HideThePain:
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I don't think so? It's kinda the main crux of what I'm saying, actually.

Saying "there's not enough being done" just doesn't make much sense with no actual context for what "enough" looks like, or is a reasonable amount to expect.


I think your underselling my point. Just because shitty games are on steam does not lower the quality expectation of other games. You have to fill out forms, build your page , pay fees etc. Saying their is no effort to be put into it is disingenuous because ironically enough a lot of work is put into it.
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Its a hundred dollars and some paperwork, and some relatively . It's just...not exactly an insurmountable task. It's not an indicator as to the quality of any game on Steam, positive or negative.


Thus, at least to me making it more professional. So when I see a pateron making 32k a month, a website dedicated to the game and a fully fleshed out steam page I'm going to be expecting something more professional.
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Professional, meaning...what? Regular updates? Fairly bug free game? Large amount of content? Adhering to an approximate deadline? Lack of scope creep?
 
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Alot of these i feel are real loose fits for futa, or just straight up incorrect.
Spectral smith? How does that count as futa? Did i miss something? She just freezes you if you lose, you can't really bang her, and she doesn't have a dick iirc.
Why doesn't the blood knight also count as female? If you beat her and you have a dick, she will be entirely female.
Large clit =/= dick, those gnolls are pure female, not futa.
Eubicha? Can she be a futa now? First i'm hearing of it.
Whisper? The mouse? That's a guy.
Calling the hornets futa is a huge reach. All the hornets are either male or female, but no futa hornets so far.
Ovipositors =/= dicks
You can bang Atheldred.
generic kitsu, i'm assuming you mean the geomancer? That's just a magicock, she's a pure fem in actuality.
Drider is in the same situation as the hornets, not futa.
All in all, the list of enemy female counters is longer than you say, and the list of futa enemy encounters is shorter.
Can't comment on the male encounters though.
CoC2 badly needs more generic futa encounters, there is little to none of them compared to males and females.
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I said their scenes not the chars themselves. Was pretty specific in that precursor about that even mentioned Alissa's fight to make that clear.

Spectral Smith's scene is the bad end where demons unthaw you far into the future after the freezing and fuck you.(I actually might be misremembering and its just imps, which would put this in the male count)
True on blood knight, winning means she stays female(If you choose). Up the count one, still pretty much 2:1 cocks.
Gnolls look and quack like a duck for scene purposes.
Losing to Eubicha results in Tollus giving her a cock and you strapped underneath her.
Losing to Whisper results in a bad end where you are trapped in a crystal with Kas and have sex for eternity.
Hornets have what the game refers to as ovi-cocks, not ovipositors. Ovipositors are treated as bug cocks in this game.
Good to know on athel, thats 32 total then.
Drider situation is same as the hornets

Feel free to list the female encounters I missed, I couldn't think of any more, and the wiki isn't providing anything either. I intentionally left out several female/futa/male encounters because the only content involving them is TF/corruption where their genitals don't even come into play or is literally solely tentacles(Which would fall closer on the male side than female)
 
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IudexGundyr said:
It is not "unfair" to expect more out the devs. If anything it is more then fair to expect more with what they are working with.

I understand that writing is hard and stressful for the team. I'm just trying to argue that its more then fair to expect more of them.
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I am curious as to what would even be an appropriate amount of content put out by CoC2 Team. Like, the amount of updates per month and the amount of content they bring. How much hours should one get by paying 5$ a month? And what would even "a good update" should bring. Like, let's say an update includes an expansion for one of the characters that add about two-three hours of content into the game. Well, great... if you like that character, which many people might not.
And then let's actually add a choice to this character expansion that changes a lot in their content and... well, now this update is only about an hour and a half for you because unless you are savescumming to get different content you ain't getting all of the new features.

Like, I am not denying CoC2 has a lot of room for improvement. I don't get why unlikable by many players character gets an update that doesn't even change them and their flaws or utilize them for some specific fetish. I don't like how some of the writers do stuff. I don't like some of the core features of the game that are impossible to solve this late into development.
But at the same time - I feel like CoC2 will send bad vibes no matter what it does. Choices cut down the amount of content for many player as now it's split between routes. New Sex scenes for some characters? Well, many players won't care for them cause they don't like those characters. I heavily dislike pregnancy which makes me completely unexcited for Mayternity for example and that an entire month worth of content that I'd rather actively avoid. Can CoC2 team even do stuff without causing groups of players to be angry? Without working themselves to death by making 10 hours of different content every few weeks?
 
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