Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.32] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Skandranon]

Comics get retconned, are alternate universes, etc. The Harley Quinn that gave kids gameboys isn't the same one in the TV show which isn't the same one in the Injustice timeline. It's not just different authors, it's also different characters.

In CoC2, you get one iteration of each character (at most two, considering Brint/Brienne and Berry/Wynne but they're still generally the same person) so it's harder to "write off" what happened as there's no timeline shift or retcon happening. Remember when Jason Todd died? Remember when he didn't actually die and became the Red Hood? He obviously can't have simultaneously died and moved on to become Red Hood, so the Jason that died is a different character than the Red Hood Jason. Obviously the same, but different. If CoC2 had multiple reboots and rewrites I would agree with you, but as this is all one continuity you should view this as one story arc rather than the entirety of the DC universe's catalog.

Tl;dr It's not selective amnesia, it's the understanding that Golden Age Superman is not New 52 Superman. CoC2 has one story arc, and it's not even finished yet.

Nah, this isn't right either.

Harley got her solo literally an issue after what I just said happened, and was treated like a hero by people relatively soon (Honestly, almost everything from Villains month was immediately ignored - it was a terrible event. Darkseid was evil because he wasn't hugged enough as a child). Poison Ivy is still int he same continuity. Spider-man backhanded Mary-Jane across the room, and it's never been referenced again.

Comics continuity changes drastically all the time, most often when a new author takes over from the old. Supporting cast can immediately disappear and be replaced, love interests change, the heroes arc changes.

Same version, same hero, different flavor.

CoC2 has a bunch of different authors; and as has been noted by people, different authors have their own takes.

Not saying how this necessarily how it should be, but that's how it is. So it's easy ( for me) to treat it the same way.

 

[hater45]

Nah, this isn't right either.

Harley got her solo literally an issue after what I just said happened, and was treated like a hero by people relatively soon (Honestly, almost everything from Villains month was immediately ignored - it was a terrible event. Darkseid was evil because he wasn't hugged enough as a child). Poison Ivy is still int he same continuity. Spider-man backhanded Mary-Jane across the room, and it's never been referenced again.

Comics continuity changes drastically all the time, most often when a new author takes over from the old. Supporting cast can immediately disappear and be replaced, love interests change, the heroes arc changes.

Same version, same hero, different flavor.

CoC2 has a bunch of different authors; and as has been noted by people, different authors have their own takes.

Not saying how this necessarily how it should be, but that's how it is. So it's easy ( for me) to treat it the same way.

Different writers working on a singular continuity. Since Savin is a shit project lead, he doesn't enforce a coherent narrative in the CoC 2 world so things feel disjointed. Your MC acts completely different depending on who is writing because some of these writers hate having to write for the PC and sometimes make them a third wheel or do the dumbest shit possible.

When it comes to comics they explain everything as a brand new universe so Earth XX is completely different from XY so you have free reign to do whatever. Harley in injustice is a completely different character from her TAS counterpart and the new show she is in due to different writers writing different continuity and stories. CoC 2 should not do this because it is one continuing plot line and everyone has to be consistent or your story is just dog shit.

 

[Tau_Iota]

Nah, this isn't right either.

Sometimes you can be wrong, ya know. My comment and Daken's are proof of that. In the original and New 52, Superboy-Prime punches reality which brings Jason back to life. In the Rebirth, he's resurrected via Liam Neeson's Lazarus Pit. Same character, different continuity. Again, the Batman who faced off against Ledger's Joker did not fight off the Batman Who Laughs who did not meet Sherlock Holmes who did not fuse with Nick Fury who did not fuse with Man-Thing as Man-Bat who is not his father in Flashpoint who is not Gordon's grandson who is not Elseworld's Batman who fights Jack the Ripper who is not Terry McGinnis like.... bro. Do you get it now? Terry McGinnis is Batman, so was he also fighting the Batman Who Laughs? The Batman Who Laughs is also Batman, so was he fighting himself? I mean, in your eyes they're all the same character.

Same version, same hero, different flavor.

What about when Superman landed in Gotham instead, and the Waynes adopted him and named him Bruce? And then Superman was Batman? Does that mean that Batman has fused with Captain America as well? So SupermanBatman/Captain America fought alongside Batman/Nick Fury? But those characters are the same too since they're also Batman, so it was Batman/Batman fighting alongside Batman/Batman. As horrifying as that is, the true horror is Amalgam being canon as a result of the Batmanning.

What about when Dick Grayson was Batman? Does that mean that Batman raised Batman as Robin to be Batman?

Which gets me thinking, when you consider the Batman Who Laughs and that he's half-Joker... that means the Joker is Batman too. So then you can go to the Arkham games and it turns out that Batman infects Batman with JokerBatman virus to see hallucinations of JokerBatman mocking Batman as he tries to stop Red HoodBatman.

In summary, it's Batman all the way down in your line of thought. Since they're all the same character. Do you see the problem now?

To reiterate, those are obviously all Batmen from different timelines otherwise you get Batman being everyone. Obviously CoC2 is one timeline, so if a thing happens it happened. There is no retcon to save you from unending Batmen. Brint/Brienne are brutally raped if it happens in your game, and there's nothing to be done to change it. "Selective amnesia" can't save it, because it's not like comics. There's no different timeline, no alternate timeline universe. Only this one. And in this one, you get cucked. Like, a lot.

I swear I cannot type Batman any more or I will lose my sanity and become him too

 

[undyingrevenant]

Doing aileh's lover route and the birth and dialogue then comparing it to kiyokos content is sad. I think part of it is tobs doesn't or chooses not to handle mental issues properly, which is a big issue when the den is like 85% "you need help". Rindos burns, komaris death wish, takahiros drunkenness, nakanos self esteem(?) issues, mai having to numb herself with drugs to prevent sensory overload, miko being a turbo nympho which is like a vampire that's never full, kinu has parental issues and probable ptsd regardless of choice, kiyoko SHOULD have super cabin fever or severe attachment issues or yandere-ness or something but is instead just generic or a poorer version of too many people now.

Imo aileh, that popped up off a single reference in the winter city, already has completely decimated kiyoko and kinu. If the growth of your kid with her is eventually accelerated then skow already did tobs "family simulator" better, and it's also intimately connected to kas and her story and your relationship with her. There's no reason for spite toward brienne on the writing team any more, even arona is getting better content, and if you want abuse the dom arona is better at abuse than the den, too. Drifa, a new character, is also a well received devoted waifu sim.

I really want to like a eastern themed, trope heavy smut playground with monster girls, but kiyoko just seems like a poorer tamamo from mgq and nobody else has any pull. All of the relationships seem hollow there, like if you went somewhere else it wouldn't matter to any of them. I dunno if tobs is sitting on like 13 arcs of anything besides kinus power fantasy solo adventure, but kiyoko and kinu need a small rewrite and new approach or something. If tobs really wants the attention brienne and others are getting and to earn a ego he really needs to stop with irl political subtext or whatever tf and get with a wife character that can stand alongside the others.

I don't want him to fail, I want a big tiddy loving fox wife and maybe even nakano or farm boy alternative to be salvaged, maybe a father or mother in law relationship where he proves his love to kinu and you both start to begrudgingly like each other, maybe he opens up to you and you can slap the edge out of him, that tropey family movie stuff.

 

[mrttao]

I went to see it to make sure it actually existed. That's what I do whenever I or anybody else references a scene I'm not sure about. Did the exact same thing when Lusamine and Hobgoblin scenes were brought up.

A scene existing changes how we view a character, and some people can't just act like things they don't like don't exist. The fact that I know Atugia just gives out oral to whoever changes her from a cute and somewhat shy tomboyish character into just another boring sex object akin to Cait. It seems like the character is monogamous and only does sexual things with who they really like and then... that happens. Now that is going to be in the back of my head whenever the character is brought up.

I would say your view is the weird one. Most people don't/can't magically forget about content that makes them upset. It also stings more when you realize the time spent writing that could've went into a scene you actually liked with said character. Same reason why people don't like Disney Star Wars, or the FF7R story changes, or anything along those lines.

Go and read the Hobgoblin rape scene and tell me again that you don't understand why people feel this way. If you're able to do that, then maybe something is just wrong with you lmao.

Absolutely. Although I think for clarity it is worth noting that I think that the two of you are kinda speaking about two different things.

A. He is talking about how some stuff COULD happen but does not if you don't choose for it to happen. For example a scene where you murder your wife because it is more moral than divorcing her (thanks fable). it is not canon to your story unless it actually happens.

B. You are talking about information revealed during optional scenes. In the above scenario, if the wife suddenly reveals that... actually she is secretely your sister all along! And your son is actually not yours! And she was born a man before having a magical sex change! what a twist!

The thing is. When a scene is "optionally canon" it does not mean the information revealed in it is false unless you get the scene. She is still your sister, born your brother, and cheated on you so you are a cuck even if you don't see the scene.
However, if you do not see the scene then IC the MC does not know that thing, and also he does not murder her.

 

[Skandranon]

Sometimes you can be wrong, ya know.

...sure, but not here. Not because I have some special knowledge or anything....but because I'm giving my opinion on how I view things. There's not any right or wrong here, just discussing differing views. I'm not saying everyone should think the same way, just exploring.

My comment and Daken's are proof of that. In the original and New 52, Superboy-Prime punches reality which brings Jason back to life. In the Rebirth, he's resurrected via Liam Neeson's Lazarus Pit. Same character, different continuity. Again, the Batman who faced off against Ledger's Joker did not fight off the Batman Who Laughs who did not meet Sherlock Holmes who did not fuse with Nick Fury who did not fuse with Man-Thing as Man-Bat who is not his father in Flashpoint who is not Gordon's grandson who is not Elseworld's Batman who fights Jack the Ripper who is not Terry McGinnis like.... bro. Do you get it now? Terry McGinnis is Batman, so was he also fighting the Batman Who Laughs? The Batman Who Laughs is also Batman, so was he fighting himself? I mean, in your eyes they're all the same character.

What about when Superman landed in Gotham instead, and the Waynes adopted him and named him Bruce? And then Superman was Batman? Does that mean that Batman has fused with Captain America as well? So SupermanBatman/Captain America fought alongside Batman/Nick Fury? But those characters are the same too since they're also Batman, so it was Batman/Batman fighting alongside Batman/Batman. As horrifying as that is, the true horror is Amalgam being canon as a result of the Batmanning.

You're bringing up different continuities, that's explicitly not what I mean. I'm talking the same character, an issue or two later.
I understand different continuities exist; that's not at all what I'm referencing. I'm talking events and characters changing in the exact continuity, in the space of a few months. It happens constantly.

The examples I just gave were in exactly the same continuity. Not an alt universe, not a what if.
Authors like Bendis are notorious for this, ignoring things that don't fit the story they want to tell.

Or flipping to DC, we had Heroes in Crisis just a few years back; which everyone hated, and the effects of were almost immediately ignored.

It's just how comics have always worked. Different authors on a single continuity working on the same characters.

 

[LandBeach]

Unrelated but why did the writers hate superboy prime so much? I only read some of the comics when I heard he was a punching bag of dc for a while and he had ridiculous feats and besides those and a few other comics I haven't read much or been into anything dc.

 

[Skandranon]

Unrelated but why did the writers hate superboy prime so much? I only read some of the comics when I heard he was a punching bag of dc for a while and he had ridiculous feats and besides those and a few other comics I haven't read much or been into anything dc.

He represented forum nerds and trolls, basically. People who hated comic change. It was kind of a meta thing.

 

[Tau_Iota]

Harley Quinn gave a bunch of kids explosive Gameboys and murdered them to get the Joker's attention. Poison Ivy used to feed random people to her giant plants and tease them as they slowly dissolved. Both of these happened in the last couple decades, and somehow both of them are heroes now.

Any long time superhero comics reader develops a fine ability to activate selective amnesia.
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You're bringing up different continuities, that's explicitly not what I mean. I'm talking the same character, an issue or two later.

You referenced Detective Comics 23.2 with the gameboys, which was published in 2012-2013 I think? Somewhere around there. Rebirth, launched in 2016, introduces a mainline Harley that leaves the Joker, and then Infinite Frontiers establishes her as a heroine. A relaunch and a few years apart, not "an issue or two later." I might be wrong, but I thought Rebirth rounded back to before Flashpoint, deleting what happened in New 52. Hard to keep track because DC is mismanaged as all hell.

Regardless, DC is a big company with many many more writers. Of course things will be forgotten or rewritten. CoC2 does not have nearly the years or writing staff to handwave these things as a change of writers or direction. A monolith making mistakes monoliths make is excusable, a small team should not be making the mistakes monoliths make because they don't have the same excuses. It's not as if Wsan left for the Mino to waste away and Tobs picked up where he left off, Tobs inserted himself into Wsan's character against Wsan's will. It leaves a bad taste in-game and in real life. Pain for both Mino and Wsan.

In comics you don't bemoan the 5402345th rewrite of Harley, because she's been rewritten 5402344 times already. In CoC2, you bemoan characters acting unlike themselves because they've only been written once.

 

[mrttao]

You're bringing up different continuities, that's explicitly not what I mean. I'm talking the same character, an issue or two later.
I understand different continuities exist; that's not at all what I'm referencing. I'm talking events and characters changing in the exact continuity, in the space of a few months. It happens constantly.

The examples I just gave were in exactly the same continuity. Not an alt universe, not a what if.
Authors like Bendis are notorious for this, ignoring things that don't fit the story they want to tell.

Or flipping to DC, we had Heroes in Crisis just a few years back; which everyone hated, and the effects of were almost immediately ignored.

It's just how comics have always worked. Different authors on a single continuity working on the same characters.

DC is actually a good example.

If you are playing a game set in DC and choose to be a villain instead of a hero, then events will play differently. But information you gather in one play-through applies to other. since they are both in the same continuity.

 

[Skandranon]

You referenced Detective Comics 23.2 with the gameboys, which was published in 2012-2013 I think? Somewhere around there. Rebirth, launched in 2016, introduces a mainline Harley that leaves the Joker, and then Infinite Frontiers establishes her as a heroine. A relaunch and a few years apart, not "an issue or two later." I might be wrong, but I thought Rebirth rounded back to before Flashpoint, deleting what happened in New 52. Hard to keep track because DC is mismanaged as all hell.

I compared her to herself the very next issue, in that reference though, not to today. She was completely different the next issue, when a new author got ahold of her. This is what I'm talking about happens on a regular basis.

Or even batter, comparing Harley in her comic to Harley in Suicide Squad; same Harley, two books, both canon and happening almost concurrently, both wildly different personalities.

And no, Rebirth didn't do that. Its the same Harley; Rebirth Harley has even referenced New 52 events (like her Power Girl team up). What Rebirth did do...is complicated. Not even sure the actual authors quite agre on what happened.

Regardless, DC is a big company with many many more writers. Of course things will be forgotten or rewritten. CoC2 does not have nearly the years or writing staff to handwave these things as a change of writers or direction. A monolith making mistakes monoliths make is excusable, a small team should not be making the mistakes monoliths make because they don't have the same excuses. It's not as if Wsan left for the Mino to waste away and Tobs picked up where he left off, Tobs inserted himself into Wsan's character against Wsan's will. It leaves a bad taste in-game and in real life. Pain for both Mino and Wsan.

In comics you don't bemoan the 5402345th rewrite of Harley, because she's been rewritten 5402344 times already. In CoC2, you bemoan characters acting unlike themselves because they've only been written once.

As someone who frequents comics forums constantly - yeah, people do bemoan EVERY change in character, ad infinitum.

And I think you're mistaking the thrust of what I'm saying here - I'm not defending the inconsistency itself. Whether it should happen or not isn't the point.

I'm talking about my attitude towards the material, not the quality of it. Bad taste or not, its something that's easy for me to just...brush off, and merrily continue on my way in a game where it didn't happen.

 

[Futa_Buddy]

I was wrong about the Arona oral, it was a blowie.

Also, apparently, I was also wrong about the reason she's so good- apparently Carmen gave her oral, but not vice versa.

My memory is going, I guess.



Carmen has a storyline that's just going to take a lot of time and work, and they're just putting it off.

Its also possible that it get scrapped or cut down (it already probably has been cut down, conceptually, since you aren't taking over the castle anymore), but as far as I know it's still on the docket.

Given her history with Evergreen, I wouldn't be surprised if the big content update for both cane close to each other.

Komari doesn't have any major story hooks though, afaik. Tobs has said she's supposed to get content, but who knows what or when.

I assume she would also be majorly involved in the plotline to get rid of the Kitsune that's supposedly supposed to materialize.

Thanks for the clarification and all the extra information! Hopefully this content gets made and not cut down (any further) or cancelled...

 

[smithsmithsmith]

Why not? The reason vanilla is considered basic is because it's about as non-offensive a flavor you can possibly get while still being generally pleasant.

Actually it's because the word vanilla draws it's roots from the Latin word vagina, which meant sheath. Vanilla sex literally just means vaginal sex which is normally considered the default/basic form of sex, hence vanilla being used as a synonym for basic.

 

[MarcusDBlack]

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Joke aside i agree with Skandranon on this one. Brienne&Atugia are still the same to me,even knowing that those scene exist cause it doesnt change a lot of things overall,(cause at the end of the day it's not that deep at least for me).
Tui doesnt suddenly become a lesser cait because of that scene.
And Brienne still the best.

 

[Daken9]

There's a big difference though between Brienne's rape by Tobs, or even that shit with Azzy by Skow where she actually enjoyed stuff, and Atugia's scene with Arona/Brint/whoever else by Gardefort, in that in one case it's another writer getting the character plain wrong (or frothing and lashing out) while in the other it's the character's creator just dead to rights introducing new angles to her.

In Ryn's case it's all a mess because for the longest time she didn't even have a main writer so she just comes off as a schizo, but say in Brienne's case i will keep not giving a shit about any scene that gets her wrong until it's from Wsan. Because if it's Wsan writing that shit then it's not that he's getting her wrong, it's that i was, which is the whole point.

 

[destroyerofassholes]

There's a big difference though between Brienne's rape by Tobs, or even that shit with Azzy by Skow where she actually enjoyed stuff, and Atugia's scene with Arona/Brint/whoever else by Gardefort, in that in one case it's another writer getting the character plain wrong (or frothing and lashing out) while in the other it's the character's creator just dead to rights introducing new angles to her.

In Ryn's case it's all a mess because for the longest time she didn't even have a main writer so she just comes off as a schizo, but say in Brienne's case i will keep not giving a shit about any scene that gets her wrong until it's from Wsan. Because if it's Wsan writing that shit then it's not that he's getting her wrong, it's that i was, which is the whole point.

I simply ignore Brienne's rape scene so idc much about it, so I didn't really read most of the arguments going on here about it.

What I don't get is, Wsan did post on DC about how "the damage was done" about that scene right? The character's writer himself doesn't approve.

 

[MoneyMan181]

Okay I don't think I properly expressed my feelings so lemme try again:

I don't actually care that much the scenes I'm talking about. Maybe I didn't convey that well enough, but I didn't mean to imply they genuinely upset me very much. It just wraps back around to tonal issues that these scenes don't really fit the character and makes these characters feel muddled. I also didn't mean to say Atugia's scene is anywhere close to the same level of Brienne's when it comes to that issue, just that they both feel strange for the character. I can ignore these things to personally enjoy the character, but I'm not going to ignore them when it comes to evaluating the game if that makes any sense.

Hopefully that makes things more clear. Can't believe I'm having a discussion about a porn game while I'm on vacation.

 

[NaturalEnclave]

This is probably a bit of a cope post, but here is my take on weird content that doesn't fit the game. It doesn't exist.
Now, how come it doesn't exist? It's in the game, therefore it's canon, right? Well, no, because CoC2 arbitrarily picks what's canon and what not. Some time ago, there was a discussion about bad ends in this thread, where we learned that NOTHING that happens in bad ends is canon or is supposed to make sense or fit the game. And it applies to all bad endings.
It doesn't matter if it's a Skyrim Reference or an actually well-writen what-if scenario that gets all characters right and shows the sides of them we usually don't get to see - none of it is canon because... uhh... I don't know.

So if the devs just arbitrarily decide what is canon and what isn't - so can we. That NTR Brienne scene? It did not happen. Thankfully it is self-contained and doesn't have to do with anything else in the game. So, we can just forget it was ever part of the videogame. But it can stay in our head as a proof that some writers are very fucking salty.

 

[arls120]

Just use selective amnesia don't fuck with your brain with stupid things.............. how do you think I enjoy the content of quint and takahiro? just ignore what doesn't interest you and that's it. I even use it with brint and berwyn.

 

[hater45]

This is why Fenoxo did the right choice and not do companions in TiTs. Focus only on the player agency and everyone is happy.