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What a shit take. I don't like males whatsoever, but even i can clearly see they're getting the short end of the stick when it comes to unique npcs and companions.
Of course not only axing Berwyn, but then dedicating a majority of (probably) the last batch of new content he's ever gonna get to feminising him or just straight up making him a woman is gonna piss a lot of people who like men. Now they have a zero content cultist that no one really likes, and Brint who's getting all of his potential stuff sucked away by the content vampire that is Brienne. Atleast in terms of companions.
What a dismissive, tone deaf statement.
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Say any of the new shit you can buy/get in Khormirus...Kharmiine...COW-PEOPLE CITY (yeah that) works well with a Thief? planning to make one, not sure if i should make them with just the bow the bunny girl gives ya or dual-wield something.
 

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Any and all hope of the COC2 Mod fixing anything has become a joke. All this time and barely got 1 char done, nothing actually edited as far as I can tell. No Gwyen's mom , or anything. It is like they tried and just gave up.

The Cow Girl is the only char worth any salt. I love the bee girl (bimbo) form as second, but Bre is it. Only thing in the game worth the effort. Lets face it, this game was dead as soon as it became all about Dick & Money. All it did was Milk money from people who were expecting some aswesome shit from CoC1Modded, and we got this bs.
Keep in mind that CoCII's code is obfuscated (or whatever it's called) and the modders have to figure it out each new patch so it's better to wait till the game's done (or dropped whichever comes first)
 
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Do y'all think COC2 would've been better if the PC went solo instead having companions, or at least if companions came in a form similar to the camp followers in COC1? I personally would have preferred it to be that way honestly.
Imo I don't think so. Most obviously, the characters like leofric, takahiro, etc, the self insert power fantasy types would skyrocket and you'd probably wind up with cait, brint and the others standing around talking about how much box they smash and demons they killed. Having a party system also helps with natural player attachment, and adds more variety and lite rpg theorycrafting. It ideally has moments for more immersion like atugia checking the ship engine with you in gweyrs quest, it can give examples on builds you can copy or adapt after seeing one of them do really well, and it allows utility builds like tanks, healers and bards instead of various flavors of nukers. If done properly it'd be like asking if mass effect would be better as a solo game, but it's been done so iffy here that it is a genuine question.

You have several characters intended to be companions then abandoned like shar, you have characters that are there because the devs like them and don't care if anyone else does, you have characters that haven't received content for so long that they either require a new writer or get 3 different writers on the same one making them bipolar with polar opposite fetishes and going from monogamous to blowing a stranger for the lulz, then you have some like brienne that hard carry the game (not for everyone but a sizeable amount) and the lead devs, instead of competitively trying to make their characters more likeable or give them more content or fix their issues, try to insult and badmouth the threat to their characters or writing. Several new characters like aileh blow pre existing characters (including kinks) completely out of the water from the ground up, better child interactions, direct involvement with a possible current long term goal with the antagonist/love interest, no commentary on Japanese politics or japanese themed characters that treat you like crap because he read books that said they do.

Nearly the entire party has issues and now Berwyn is being removed. So we have cait, who nobody likes really besides her body and kit and is shoehorned in several places. brint/brienne who is wrote very well as a friend, lover, and ride-or-die companion. atugia whose content is incredibly little and with them streamlining her recruitment they removed some more already etheryn who's popular but apparently her new main writer has a female oc so etheryn will require a Conan the barbarian type to grow a vajayjay, and any talk of etheryn growing one opens a entire gender debate or ridicule. azyrran who went from open relationship to basically cuck-lite in the dawnsword quest with her talking about how awesome liaden is, hugging her, talking about more alone time with her and blushing, how liaden saved the hive, how liaden needs and deserves the sword, then noticing you and borderline going "oh hi mark". Even caits more affectionate than she seems right now imo, az just seems monogamous for liaden but wants a backup, at least for a male mc. Berwyn who's being removed from the party, quin who's around so people can talk about how hot and cool he is and how strong his magic is, arona who's pretty well written but also pretty niche, either borderline abuse dom or waifu sub. Kiyoko who apparently has 2 modes, "omg I love you never part from me you are my soul mate gib BABY NOW" or "you have no rights besides cleaning my toilet, now sit there quietly while I eyebang nakano and wish a real man like him was my husband", agnimitra whos pretty good for a nympho kink but a bit too much of a excuse to have lines like "actually cait is really strong and brave and awesome", and Viviane who is just the Google search "sexy nude witch" they decided to make a companion instead of preexisting characters with histories or gender variety like Garrett.

Removing Berwyn is a very very bad move, whatever reason they have for it they really should have chucked their dumb "companion deadline" out the window and begged einens writer to finish her, they're going to milk Patreon another few years anyway and their continuing practice of removing content is getting worse all the time and they need to replace gaps at the very least.
 

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For all the arrogant bluster about how the threads on F95 and 4chan's VG board don't matter, the constant reiterating betrays that external communities live rent-free in their heads. Now that they've split from Fenoxo's server into their own tightly-controlled hugbox, they've begun readily embarrassing themselves on a regular day-to-day basis with toxic comments directed to their audience and, disturbingly, amongst themselves. The rudeness and immense ingratitude is nauseating, but, truthfully, it's more astonishing that they seem content with expressing what poor character they possess to anyone who will listen.
 

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Do y'all think COC2 would've been better if the PC went solo instead having companions, or at least if companions came in a form similar to the camp followers in COC1? I personally would have preferred it to be that way honestly.
Yes, there is literally no downside to making this game a solo act like in coc1 especially since it means you won't have to interact with certain characters unless you want to and the RPG elements and travel of this game aren't really fun. Plus it would be easier to mod certain characters out... or in. The companion system has no benefit and the coc1 companions and camp make ya feel like ya have a home to come back to. Coc2 just makes me wanna end the world.
 

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I don't know how they can loathe/not understand a game that made their golden goose feasible to begin with...

You would think that the writers to the sequel of a game would know how said previous game worked. Like they try to act like CoC2 is sooo different corruption-wise, but it's not. It's literally the same. They both only center around the demonic grip around your soul and do nothing to you physically. Shoutouts to JCS tho, least they know lmao

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I don't know how they can loathe/not understand a game that made their golden goose feasible to begin with...

You would think that the writers to the sequel of a game would know how said previous game worked. Like they try to act like CoC2 is sooo different corruption-wise, but it's not. It's literally the same. They both only center around the demonic grip around your soul and do nothing to you physically. Shoutouts to JCS tho, least they know lmao

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Dude it's Savin and his giant ego, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't straight up tell Fen "I can make a better game than you." and Fen was all "lol do it but only if I get a cut cause you're gonna need my name on the tin." Of course he had to try and reinvent the wheel on just about every aspect of the game he could get away with while still calling it CoC. And of course he brought on people that don't understand what made CoC1 a better game.
 

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Dude it's Savin and his giant ego, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't straight up tell Fen "I can make a better game than you." and Fen was all "lol do it but only if I get a cut cause you're gonna need my name on the tin." Of course he had to try and reinvent the wheel on just about every aspect of the game he could get away with while still calling it CoC. And of course he brought on people that don't understand what made CoC1 a better game.
Except he didn't reinvent the wheel. He just made a wheel, and said "Look, is different" and then it was different.

I don't know how you chuds ( :BootyTime: ) feel about Fen, but to this day I think he's an all-star text game maker. Yeah his libido left him, but in his heyday he was next level. Sure he was super fixated on massive horse dong, but every man has his vice. I don't think he ever expected CoC1 to explode like it did, so its scope got away from him.

Edit: Don't put the emojis in parentheses unless you want things like :)BootyTime:), gotta add a space between the colons and parentheses
 
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Fen made the superior game in CoC1, and it's the only reason CoC2 made any money far as I'm concerned. Every change Savin made is a huge step down in quality and I think a lot of his anger towards those of us that point this out is because he knows it. FOE should have been the real sequel, it had more promise and better lore than this certainly.
 

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Didn't Tobs at one point go all, "in my writing i want corruption to be more than black and white," but then you look at his writing and that shit might as well be the light side/dark side as shown in the Sequels with how little it matters. Evil characters be evil, good characters be good, and even if they do awful shit they still be good because morality has two shades and corruption isn't an actual external force but just an emo gimmick (as exemplefied by mama wolf).

And that note, kinda crazy that the PC can't be shitty to virtually anyone without being outright evil, and that on the other hand the only characters they have beef with are the outright villainous ones. It's like some D&D game, everyone be friends with everyone to not step on eachother's toes or something.
 
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Didn't Tobs at one point go all, "in my writing i want corruption to be more than black and white," but then you look at his writing and that shit might as well be the light side/dark side as shown in the Sequels with how little it matters. Evil characters be evil, good characters be good, and even if they do awful shit they still be good because morality has two shades and corruption isn't an actual external force but just an emo gimmick (as exemplefied by mama wolf).

And that note, kinda crazy that the PC can't be shitty to virtually anyone without being outright evil, and that on the other hand the only characters they have beef with are the outright villainous ones. It's like some D&D game, everyone be friends with everyone to not step on eachother's toes or something.
And that they write Dark Knight players as edgelords...

But this Sequel comparison makes me wonder... tumblr_6d5604ac3af1fde358e3e86666aa6c85_d3026468_1280.png
 

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It's like some D&D game, everyone be friends with everyone to not step on eachother's toes or something.
It's even worse than that, considering I've seen a decent amount of D&D groups have actual meaningful interpersonal conflicts with each other. Crazy how improv done by complete randos is more engaging than writers with years of experience.
And that they write Dark Knight players as edgelords...

But this Sequel comparison makes me wonder... View attachment 1952097
Don't give them ideas, they're gonna have the PC sacrifice themselves so Cait can be the big slutty protagonist she was always meant to be like Kylo does for Rey.
 
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It's even worse than that, considering I've seen a decent amount of D&D groups have actual meaningful interpersonal conflicts with each other. Crazy how improv done by complete randos is more engaging than writers with years of experience.

Don't give them ideas, they're gonna have the PC sacrifice themselves so Cait can be the big slutty protagonist she was always meant to be like Kylo does for Rey.
But forreal, why does everyone (unless they're a dominator like Arona) have to be nice all the time. Not even pregnant grumps as far as I can tell. Why do I have to be nice to someone if I don't like them?

Although holy shit, you could twist it a bit to turn this totally into a Kylo/Rey story. Us Prequel/Original enjoyers really do stay losing huh?
 
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