Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.32] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

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Based off what the original writer is saying, they were forced out, not that they left. Which if thats the case it makes the devs look worst, as they fired someone without finding a replacement writer. And there should be no excuse about cost as they should be able to use the money they were paying hugs to hire a new writer.

But the long and short is I agree with you. Whether Hugs quit or was fired it would be on the devs to fix the situation instead of playing the blame game.

Much appreciate the clarification and such. I haven't followed the drama much just what I read on the fenoxo page. Maybe we can get hugs to hop in here and give their side of the story. RIP because I was liking the writing.

Berwyn IMO was a fun character because you could coddle or bully him. It felt a lot more dynamic than say the one way street we get with other characters. It had potential and I liked the bits of info on how he interacted with other NPCs and such.

And I sympathize with his character a bit, a mistress who turned him into a horn dog and him trying to work with the state of affairs and such. My situation wasn't exactly like that, but did date a nympho who kinda warped my idea of sex for a good while till I resolve those issues years later.

 

[Skandranon]

When it comes to Berwyn, I think the biggest issue is that they didn't tell anyone.

I understand the reasons behind the decision they made, and I think it wasn't a bad one, or at least the best that they had available.

But without any expectation management, it hit kinda hard. Wsan is pretty adamant that this was the best way to do it and telling people beforehand would have simply resulted in months of harassment and complaining, but I still think this wasn't the best way to break the news.

 

[Deleted member 1660801]

Not to be that guy and all, but its a pretty weird echo chamber here as well. The only real difference is levels of moderation.

Like as a person who actually still likes most of what CoC2 does, its hard to actually want to voice that opinion for fear that the forums will shit all over me for it.

All of the forums about CoC2 are in some way an echo chamber
The difference is like you said, moderation but this is mainly just two sides refusing to communicate with each other either out of pettiness or fear of being banned.
I'm 100% sure most people who look at this forum wouldn't be here if they could actually voice their criticisms or opinions without a volatile reaction from the devs or people on the other side. Although that doesn't mean this place is perfect as well.

 

[Mandoto]

Spoiler: Example.

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Echo-chambers are one hell of a drug, some people simply can't handle criticism.

Kinda surprised Savin even knows about this site, seeing he avoids criticism like the plague. I also figured he spent all his time re-tweeting futa art and occasionally writing, with no time for anything else.

 

[Biostar]

Granted, and giving them ideas here, not even sure why a high confidence queen of the elves Ryn would even want to listen to us if we're against it.

Because she loves you and has given you a high position in her kingdom. I dunno, that should count for something. She isn't a kitsune.

This is off-topic but I find it too interesting to not bring up. I joined the discord (Against better Judgement) and did a little poking around. It seems like F95 is the most hated forum for discussion about CoC2. Even more than 4Chan, why is this? I mean sure there are some dumb comments here and there but I just find this so strange.

There's people there willing to waifu Cait and Kiyoko despite Kinu and the den.

I'm sure there isn't even an option to say, "Hey, I'm not into partners who sleep around without even asking me if I'm alright with it, go kick rocks, bitch."

There actually is an option to break up with one or both of them over it. I don't remember if there's a way to avoid it at all though. I do know there's a way to set it up yourself so that it doesn't happen behind your back.

 

[werewolfking65]

Can I get Berwyn pregnant now?

 

[jordanvader02]

I saw some people talking about wanting to play the original CoC so I feel obligated to post OCA (otherCoCanon mod) it's got a lot more content and more toggles as well, hell they have a toggle to just flat out remove Urta if that says anything.

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[King_Ogre]

Echo-chambers are one hell of a drug, some people simply can't handle criticism.

Since 4chin Savin hated any criticism, here we can be more vocal and he hasn't any influence over here (god gried) idk if you noticed, but this thread was raided time to time with people that simp him from his Discord (Some subtly others not so much).

Also:
>mfw Savin avoids us and HAS noticed us and he can't do anything

When it comes to Berwyn, I think the biggest issue is that they didn't tell anyone.

I understand the reasons behind the decision they made, and I think it wasn't a bad one, or at least the best that they had available.

But without any expectation management, it hit kinda hard. Wsan is pretty adamant that this was the best way to do it and telling people beforehand would have simply resulted in months of harassment and complaining, but I still think this wasn't the best way to break the news.

There are signs that a writter isn't comfortable with their work environment when they update less and less, Clearly the harassment from the retard brigade Savin/Tobs have (and more Tobs because you know) makes really hard to pump out a good companion without get the stink from the toxic devs with a delusion of grandeur.

Kinda surprised Savin even knows about this site, seeing he avoids criticism like the plague. I also figured he spent all his time re-tweeting futa art and occasionally writing, with no time for anything else.

If you check the past posts (1 or 2 years ago) The shitstorm was so big that It wouldn't surprised me he noticed us (Notice me sempai DD)
Literally Jannies deletedentire pages of the thread at request of you know who
>Picrel were Jannies on those days

I haven't touched this game in about a year and they remove Berwyn, one of the only characters a gay guy like myself could actually enjoy... I hope Savin and that whole dev team get fucking lynched, this is incredibly retarded.

Spoiler: Buckle up, buttercup

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[Bloep]

Can I get Berwyn pregnant now?

Savin said "maybe later" to that.
So 50/50 we get that in 3 years time.

 

[Wrynn13]

Holy mother of based, Anonarts is a chad for going against the grain and not giving a fuck. I'd be hesitant to interact with anybody in the place at all.

I mean if you have sex with a demon, you're going to get corrupted. Promiscuity may not inherently spread it, but it makes the likelihood way higher.

We haven't actually seen Cait offer to purify you or anything despite being a priest so I don't think this is the case. Not even Sanders is able to do it for you, and he's probably way more experienced in that sort of thing than her. Seems like corruption is an intrinsic thing other people can't really cure.

Zo can purify you, quite a lot really. Of course monks like her seem fairly rare in game.

 

[Wrynn13]

Wow didn't even know that shit about Urta, super fucking yikes. Can these devs for one second not be obsessed with putting in their own super special OCs into these games? It's kind of ridiculous at this point. And I'm sure there isn't even an option to say, "Hey, I'm not into partners who sleep around without even asking me if I'm alright with it, go kick rocks, bitch." It's seriously crazy how obsessed these guys are with NPCs that sleep around, without you being able to do really anything about it.

Literally every new thing I find out about these devs makes me think less of them, it's absolutely fucking bonkers. Murphy's Law is absolutely reaming my asshole like Kassyra does to my PC, jesus christ man.

CoC1 was better not in that they didn't have characters like this but in that you could choose not to interact with them. Don't like Urta, don't interact with her. For the most part anyways since they did lock endings behind her stuff which was stupid.

 

[Wrynn13]

Come in here and post something like Savin is God and Tobs his profit and you all aren't worthy to kiss his feet and yeah I imagine the reaction won't be great but a honest discussion of something you like that most don't isn't going to get anyone attacked. Skand is even defending the Berwyn treatment for some reason and I don't see any torches and pitchforks, yet...

 

[Lord Kentus]

CoC1 was better not in that they didn't have characters like this but in that you could choose not to interact with them. Don't like Urta, don't interact with her. For the most part anyways since they did lock endings behind her stuff which was stupid.

Some of the revamp mods even had options in the menu to just disable the character with the flip of a tab

 

[junlop]

When it comes to Berwyn, I think the biggest issue is that they didn't tell anyone.

I understand the reasons behind the decision they made, and I think it wasn't a bad one, or at least the best that they had available.

But without any expectation management, it hit kinda hard. Wsan is pretty adamant that this was the best way to do it and telling people beforehand would have simply resulted in months of harassment and complaining, but I still think this wasn't the best way to break the news.

Just being transparent will always be the best option when dealing with internet drama, those guys are old enough to understand this.

 

[MoneyMan181]

CoC1 was better not in that they didn't have characters like this but in that you could choose not to interact with them. Don't like Urta, don't interact with her. For the most part anyways since they did lock endings behind her stuff which was stupid.

Yes I know, but imo it's just as bad when you have 0 warnings for something like, "Hey I'm fucking your girlfriend and we both love it, haha isn't that crazy?" Especially for a character that does not have much (if any) content with other characters before that. You need massive warnings for shit like that which at least CoC2 does right from the get go.

Come in here and post something like Savin is God and Tobs his profit and you all aren't worthy to kiss his feet and yeah I imagine the reaction won't be great but a honest discussion of something you like that most don't isn't going to get anyone attacked.

If the devs came in here with an open-mind and were willing to actually listen to people's criticism, I guarantee you they wouldn't receive much in terms of attacks. Not in any way that could actually hurt their feelings anyway(that is if they expect this place to be as bad as they think). If they just gave a decent discussion on why they do (x) things, without being assholes about it, I'm sure it'd actually improve how people here view them. It would for me, anyway. Most people here aren't completely dismissive assholes it seems like, just pissed off about how the devs carry themselves(which isn't very well from what I've seen).

Just being transparent will always be the best option when dealing with internet drama, those guys are old enough to understand this.

These are the people who went behind a co-workers back to implement a shitty rape scene of said co-workers companion and let him find out about it on his own. Seems like they have a lot more to understand than just transparency.

 

[FurrBat]

those guys are old enough to understand this.

Its very unfortunate for us but age does not bring maturity along with it, as we can see in the devs general conduct and their closemindedness.

 

[Wrynn13]

Some of the revamp mods even had options in the menu to just disable the character with the flip of a tab

Revamp was great. They even let the Fen forums host it it was so good. Though I'm sure Savin hated a mod getting such a spotlight.

 

[Raf-Raf]

Holy, 830+ pages already.
Road to 1k!!!
Then after that, I'll do something stupid and read all comments from page one to page one thousand.

Maybe that can finally give me the reason to come back and play again, bruteforcing the Kinu incident.

 

[AAmTT]

I should find where to check that coc1 xianxia mod that was getting made, haven't looked at it in like 3 years but it had some fun custom content. Anyone here still check it?

 

[Raf-Raf]

I should find where to check that coc1 xianxia mod that was getting made, haven't looked at it in like 3 years but it had some fun custom content. Anyone here still check it?

They have a wiki for it and a download link in it so you can always just google "CoC Xianxia" and it should pop up easily.