Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.32] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Deleted member 1660801]

So ends the 4chan CoC2 and TiTS general. They finally had enough. They are free. View attachment 1958022

What happened?

 

[namelessdudewithnoname]

What happened?

Dissatisfaction with the game for the whole year and longer finally took it's toll. They decided to stop.

 

[Skandranon]

So ends the 4chan CoC2 and TiTS general. They finally had enough. They are free.

Eh, good riddance.

 

[Femboys and Futas]

It's funny that another game dev just ruined their game with one update.

 

[SloppySab]

Ive been playing this game for years,still having fun with is
the game is fine,I don't get it

 

[Kuritzkale]

Surely the devs respond to all of this backlash, right? Have they already? Just looking at steam, the recent reviews went from "very positive" to "mixed". From what I've gathered this seems like the biggest backlash the devs have received for an update, with places that would normally be very supportive seemingly upset as well.

Mainly I just hope that the devs publicly and privately apologize to HugsAlright, or if they think he has misrepresented what actually happened, they come out with evidence that his behavior truly justified removing him from the writing team, although I do think that going against his explicit wishes for Berwyn to remain male is unjustifiable, and super fucking lame. I also really hope this backlash serves as some kind of wake up call to the devs, now that they realize they can't just do anything and get away with it.

 

[KloneZone]

It's funny that another game dev just ruined their game with one update.

Another? Whos the other?

 

[Skandranon]

Surely the devs respond to all of this backlash, right? Have they already? Just looking at steam, the recent reviews went from "very positive" to "mixed". From what I've gathered this seems like the biggest backlash the devs have received for an update, with places that would normally be very supportive seemingly upset as well.

They have responded to it on their Discord and forums, but not really anything other than "this is how it had to be, sorry".

Doubt they will, either. Recent reviews on Steam are a drop in the bucket, still at 94% positive overall.

Mainly I just hope that the devs publicly and privately apologize to HugsAlright

Probably definitely not happening.

now that they realize they can't just do anything and get away with it.

This will probably have 0 effect on their income.

TiTs removed incest scenes from its game, and that caused a WAY bigger stink than this. It ultimately did nothing, people moved on. For better or for worse, this won't do anything except possibly, maybe cause them to give more of a heads up if this exact situation ever happens again.

 

[hater45]

Ive been playing this game for years,still having fun with is
the game is fine,I don't get it

Nothing should stop you from enjoying a product as it is subjective. My biggest gripe has been that it is very mediocre with little over sight for a product bringing in that much money.

 

[Kuritzkale]

This will probably have 0 effect on their income.

Sadly most likely true, think the only thing that could do that is a competitor appearing, which... well, I can hope! Wonder how hard a game like this would be to make... And you're right that the devs will never apologize to HugsAlright, but they should, and not doing so just proves how pathetic and childish they are, which isn't surprising because everyone who seems to spend a lot of time writing/drawing/creating porn seems to have a terminal case of "I don't know how to be a functioning member of society or a real human being with compassion for others"

 

[Femboys and Futas]

Another? Whos the other?

Business of Loving by Dead-end

 

[ankhtar]

They're only getting a wake up call if those sweet patreon dollars just up and stop flooding their wallets one day, which is just not happening because they have no real competition, so they can get away with everything.
I believe it's become more than evident that anything that is said outside of their collective hug box doesn't mean shit to them (and if something bad is said in it, they silence it anyway). I mean, what's next, cutting Brint off from the game entirely? Brienne is the people's favorite by far so why not? Just let everyone get Brienne from the start as if Brint had never existed and bam, less work for them.

The only option we have at this point is to wait for this farce to be completed (or half baked, if coc 1 is any indication of how they "work") and then let the modders redact the bad content which is most of it and get started on creating the real game, assuming that even they want to so much as look at it by that point. I certainly wouldn't. Not because I don't want to spite them (oh, the irony) or improve the game, no, but because I don't want to bring any more attention to the game and giving them undue credit as devs and writers by essentially turning their turd into a gold bar via my hard, unpaid work.

 

[namelessdudewithnoname]

They will never cut Brint. Savin loves his bull too much. He hates Brienne.

 

[Skandranon]

Sadly most likely true, think the only thing that could do that is a competitor appearing, which... well, I can hope! Wonder how hard a game like this would be to make...

Real competition is unlikely.

The biggest advantage of these games, and simultaneously the cause of most of its problems, is the community. Everyone writing for the game came from the community at some point. It's the resource that all of these game draw on to put out the content that they do.

Halfway decent writers don't grow on trees, let alone whole teams of them. And the money to pay several writers sits at a level most games won't reach until years in.

CoC2 had a community and fanbase that ramped up from the first CoC, to Tits, kinda with FoE, to CoC2, and it took well over a decade. It's in a unique position.

Imo, you couldn't create anything directly competing with it without cash up front and at least a few talented writers with a long term comittment.

A few writers from TiTs tried to brach off and do their own thing with Cloud 10 - it flopped.

There are a few other text based type games in the same vein, but none of them are even close in popularity. Lilith Throne is never going to be an actual competitor to CoC2.

And you're right that the devs will never apologize to HugsAlright, but they should, and not doing so just proves how pathetic and childish they are

Without knowing how it actually went down, this isn't really something I can agree with.

 

[hater45]

Real competition is unlikely.

The biggest advantage of these games, and simultaneously the cause of most of its problems, is the community. Everyone writing for the game came from the community at some point. It's the resource that all of these game draw on to put out the content that they do.

Halfway decent writers don't grow on trees, let alone whole teams of them. And the money to pay several writers sits at a level most games won't reach until years in.

CoC2 had a community and fanbase that ramped up from the first CoC, to Tits, kinda with FoE, to CoC2, and it took well over a decade. It's in a unique position.

Imo, you couldn't create anything directly competing with it without cash up front and at least a few talented writers with a long term comittment.

A few writers from TiTs tried to brach off and do their own thing with Cloud 10 - it flopped.

There are a few other text based type games in the same vein, but none of them are even close in popularity. Lilith Throne is never going to be an actual competitor to CoC2.



Without knowing how it actually went down, this isn't really something I can agree with.

Yet without the name CoC this game wouldn't have survived because Savin has tried to make a game on his own and it failed drastically. This game barely has any of the good things from CoC and that is shocking because they have a writer from it in it's earlier days. Of course that said writer (rumored) hates many of the things from the original but dug his own grave having to depend on the name to make bank.

 

[Skandranon]

Yet without the name CoC this game wouldn't have survived because Savin has tried to make a game on his own and it failed drastically.

Objectively this is easily the most successful of all three games. It's more popular than CoC (and probably TiTs at this point) ever was, making more money, and getting more attention, and has been steadily increasing in popularity every year its existed. Not to mention actually having a chance of finishing, unlike CoC which was abandoned, or Tits which is being rushed to some kind of finish.

Saying it "failed drastically" is kind of a strong statement that I don't think can really be backed up unless you mean subjectively.

 

[Wrynn13]

What would definitely get the devs attention is if someone, or many someones, let Patreon know they are supporting a game that includes child grooming and someone from Patreon took a real look at the game and whent whoa it does contain child grooming we can't have that and they got kicked from Patreon. Which would be hilarious. I can just see Savin throwing Tobs under the bus claiming the temple was all his idea and scrubbing his content to beg his way back onto Patreon.

 

[Dreamer44]

What would definitely get the devs attention is if someone, or many someones, let Patreon know they are supporting a game that includes child grooming and someone from Patreon took a real look at the game and whent whoa it does contain child grooming we can't have that and they got kicked from Patreon. Which would be hilarious. I can just see Savin throwing Tobs under the bus claiming the temple was all his idea and scrubbing his content to beg his way back onto Patreon.

Then you don't know Savin; he'd never do that

Go and read the text, the game, the scenes you are complaining about.

 

[Dreamer44]

But Cait, herself a child who was raised in the sex cult and eventually joined it after being given the ultimatum, says it's not grooming, so it's not

(Obligatory, imagine if it was played as the gods being overall good for the world [due to their sheer intransigence and no more] but still allowing bad shit to happen in their name because arrogant assholes, while Kaz being more personable and approachable [which is she is] yet still worse for the world at large because of her very demonic nature/plans)

Not a sex cult. A porn religion from a porn setting.

 

[Dreamer44]

I think 2 things hurt me the most in Coc2. The lack of player agency (all of the we are Cait's taxi memes here) and the lack of overall consistency in Mc characterization. How much respect do we even get from people around us when we did quests, real question tho?

Each writer has their own take on our Mc and his character ping-pongs from event to event being different each time.

Then we have some railroading with our beloved instant-loss scenes by means of Author-inserts *cough* Leofric *cough* or "choices" where the outcome is the same *cough* Gweyr *cough* so while we still have the illusion of choice it doesnt matter anyway, as the choice is made by the writer not us.

Leofric is not an author self insert. He's a future boss whose quest hasn't been implemented yet because his writer is busy.