Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.33] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Dreamer44]

How do the Kitsune react to you being a kitsune from Keros? They don't really treat you that much different than before. Also, don't give others story breaking powers because you can just ask why they haven't solved any conflicts that are happening right now. We can use my WOTR example, when you choose a path you get unique powers that is on the realm of godly but they are only for story purposes or cool buffs, like Aeon being the giga chad and making people cease to exist, or Tricksters being able to manipulate their dice rolls to crit like fucking monsters.

You only get a transformation for giving up your soul, doesn't seem that worth it now does it? Lumia makes you a Valkyrie if I am not mistaken. These are some shit offers compared to any other games where you get something like Ebony blade, or Dawnbreaker. I feel that they seen the trick before is such a bullshit excuse because they would automatically know if you didn't have a soul because it is physically ripped from your body, unlike it going somewhere post death. For people who wants to do worldbuilding, it sure is easy to find major flaws in logic thinking about it more than a few seconds.

Since you don't read, you miss the how kitsune react to you before and after becoming one. That's on you.

You get the TF and powers related to it, along with changes on certain NPCs dialogues and reactions.

And certain plotlines are affected.

 

[Evizzy89]

Objectively this is easily the most successful of all three games. It's more popular than CoC (and probably TiTs at this point) ever was, making more money, and getting more attention, and has been steadily increasing in popularity every year its existed. Not to mention actually having a chance of finishing, unlike CoC which was abandoned, or Tits which is being rushed to some kind of finish.

Saying it "failed drastically" is kind of a strong statement that I don't think can really be backed up unless you mean subjectively.

there is absolutely 100% chance at all that this game will ever get finished, at all zero zip zilch
not saying it in a negative way, but projects such as CoC2 are never made with plans to finish if youre making 40k a month doing very little why would you finish the game?
other projects can be started during its 'development' and when they have another successful project they can open up another patreon and milk that too

 

[Dreamer44]

i haven't really cared keep up much with the constant drama that is going on between the writing team or whatever, but can someone give me a breakdown on why this Berwyn "Update" came to be?
Bullshit gimmick dungeon and terrible quest ending choice aside they actually kind of give me what I wanted in the end and that's an actual relationship dynamic with Berry, instead of him just hating having sex with a male player character. I however don't know why the reason for removing him from the party and tying him into the camp system a system that I never use because i play a white mage, have Cait in my party 24/7 and always have a way stone activated in every area. Why not just have his quest item just you teleport you to him at any time like Kiyoko's amulet.
I guess keeping him to one place would make writing scenes for him easier considering the body changes and all, but fuckin Berry was the one male companion i had and kept taking on my team now I only got Brint who's practically been replaced by Brienne and godamn Quintillus, I DONT FUCKIN LIKE QUIN, who even uses Quin? If there was any fuckin character that could use a update that removes them from the party it'd be Quintillus.

Long story short: Berwyn's writer left due to mental health issues, and later had a toxic falling out with the rest of the staff.

Rather than burden one of the permanent writers with a second companion, Berwyn was downgraded from a companion to a NPC.

Brint and Brienne are both kept updated by their author.

Quintillus is getting expanded soon; his author managed to get enough free time to write more of him and other projects.

And a companion won't be reminded ved because you don't like him. Ignore him, sent him away to die or just leave him in the bar and don't recruit him.

 

[Dreamer44]

there is absolutely 100% chance at all that this game will ever get finished, at all zero zip zilch
not saying it in a negative way, but projects such as CoC2 are never made with plans to finish if youre making 40k a month doing very little why would you finish the game?
other projects can be started during its 'development' and when they have another successful project they can open up another patreon and milk that too

Oh, the game IS planned to end. The staff will simply move on to a new project if all goes well.

 

[Dreamer44]

Yet without the name CoC this game wouldn't have survived because Savin has tried to make a game on his own and it failed drastically. This game barely has any of the good things from CoC and that is shocking because they have a writer from it in it's earlier days. Of course that said writer (rumored) hates many of the things from the original but dug his own grave having to depend on the name to make bank.

CoC1 was a good game, but it also was a mess. Its many problems led to irs rushed conclusion.

CoC2 is trying to be better than it.

And I know you will all comment about how it fails to do so and such, but let me tell you this.

If you don't like the game or how things go, what are you doing here?

 

[Skandranon]

there is absolutely 100% chance at all that this game will ever get finished, at all zero zip zilch
not saying it in a negative way, but projects such as CoC2 are never made with plans to finish if youre making 40k a month doing very little why would you finish the game?

To start a new game, obviously.

The whole game was pretty well outlined at the beginning of the project, there's only one more act iirc after KM is over.

CoC ended, TiTs is about to end, this will end too.

 

[Kroenen12]

good news

 

[Kallisto]

Dreamer44 You can respond to multiple posts at the same time. This way the thread isn't spammed with 8 responses in a row from the same person.

https://f95zone.to/threads/how-to-use-our-multi-quote-system.9660/

 

[hater45]

Objectively this is easily the most successful of all three games. It's more popular than CoC (and probably TiTs at this point) ever was, making more money, and getting more attention, and has been steadily increasing in popularity every year its existed. Not to mention actually having a chance of finishing, unlike CoC which was abandoned, or Tits which is being rushed to some kind of finish.

Saying it "failed drastically" is kind of a strong statement that I don't think can really be backed up unless you mean subjectively.

Reason CoC ended up getting abandoned was because Fen got bored and wanted to move on until people bugged him to finish it and we got that awful final dungeon that was half baked. Again, that is because the game is named as a sequel to an already established product. More successful than Tits? That is a bunch of bs because tits had a kick starter and a patron that brought in so much money that it is crazy. TiTs also had a restart and still managed to pump out more content than CoC 2 and that is pretty sad.

More popular than CoC? I guess? CoC 2 is a newer game but at CoC's peak I highly doubt it because it was the first of it's kind. Also I wasn't talking about Savin's CoC 2 project, but Slablands or that Savin RPG I think it was called that was used as a base for this game.

 

[Skandranon]

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I need to sit down and update my upcoming CoC2 scenes doc, I keep forgetting things I already knew about.

Also, I just realized I think I've only ever set foot in the gym like...once?

 

[Wrynn13]

Then you don't know Savin; he'd never do that

Go and read the text, the game, the scenes you are complaining about.

Savin has absolutely turned on other devs in the past, if you think he won't do it again then you don't know Savin. Or you are Savin and you are lying to yourself... Also I have read the scenes covering the temple and the religion, have you? You either don't know what grooming is or are in denial.

 

[Daken9]

As a side note, can I just say that despite the game presenting itself as sex positive, it's weirdly judgemental. This ties into the whole "just about every character is someone's OC Sex Dream," you get weirdly pressured into having sexual encounters with everyone and everything. Every situation is someone's magical realm. Which usually isn't a problem in most games because they're clear about what the game is about. But with CoC 2, it presents itself as a choice-based RPG. A sexy choose your own adventure novel. Except the narration keeps pushing you towards fucking everything and everyone, rather than presenting a buffet and allowing you to pick and choose.

If you think this game's bad in that regard, don't try out TiTs If you want a dick and you're not into futa/gay stuff, can basically only play futa yourself because the PC is looking to get dicked down at all times. It's actually half the reason i'm into this game at all, that it makes a decent enough job at not making too many assumptions about the PC's sexual preferences prior to accessing scenes (which allows me to play a male character without needing to overlook the 24/7 lust for dick).

Also why i put Cait, Quint, Agni and all them other mary sues at around the same level. Not only i'm told what to feel for them like usual, but i'm also constantly reminded my character's inherently attracted to them. Double the shit.

Dreamer44 You can respond to multiple posts at the same time. This way the thread isn't spammed with 8 responses in a row from the same person.

https://f95zone.to/threads/how-to-use-our-multi-quote-system.9660/

He's used to discord

 

[Skandranon]

Reason CoC ended up getting abandoned was because Fen got bored and wanted to move on until people bugged him to finish it and we got that awful final dungeon that was half baked. Again, that is because the game is named as a sequel to an already established product.

Coc was abandoned in large part because it was a mess. Fen was making it all up as he went. The code was apparently hard to work with, there was no clear plan or outline, there was content that couldn't be touched because it's authors ghosted and Fen didn't want to ruffle feathers, and a long lost of other things.

TiTs was Fens shot at to take all the things he learned and apply them from the beginning. And despite not being called CoC, TiTs got huge.

More successful than Tits? That is a bunch of bs because tits had a kick starter and a patron that brought in so much money that it is crazy.

It wasn't a Kickstarter, it was a porn crowdfunding site called Offbeatr. I know, because I was in on it.

It made 200k. Quite a bit...but that's, like, a few months Patreon income. For a game that's run a Patreon for like 9 years now, not much.

Steam visibility alone ensures that CoC2 is way bigger than wither other game. 16k people bought in in the first month, and that was almost 2 years ago now. CoC2 is way, way more popular than either game ever was.

More popular than CoC? I guess? CoC 2 is a newer game but at CoC's peak I highly doubt it because it was the first of it's kind.

Being the first if it's kind is exactly why it was the least popular. It had to build its fanbase from the ground up. TiTs coopted the fanbase from CoC and built on that, CoC2 took those and built on them. Every one of these games is bigger than the one before it for that reason.

 

[Dreamer44]

Dreamer44 You can respond to multiple posts at the same time. This way the thread isn't spammed with 8 responses in a row from the same person.

https://f95zone.to/threads/how-to-use-our-multi-quote-system.9660/

Huh. Thanks.

 

[hater45]

Coc was abandoned in large part because it was a mess. Fen was making it all up as he went. The code was apparently hard to work with, there was no clear plan or outline, there was content that couldn't be touched because it's authors ghosted and Fen didn't want to ruffle feathers, and a long lost of other things.

TiTs was Fens shot at to take all the things he learned and apply them from the beginning. And despite not being called CoC, TiTs got huge.



It wasn't a Kickstarter, it was a porn crowdfunding site called Offbeatr. I know, because I was in on it.

Those content didn't affect the main story at all as I remember who it was. Al of them were side characters so you could of just ignored them. His mistakes in CoC still run rampant in TiTs as the game ran into a complete stand still on main content and now with his libido cut, he had to pass it to others. TiTs got huge because of again, a name attached to it. At this time everyone knew who Fen was so it wasn't hard to make a huge game again. It is like John Ramero making Daikatana and getting funding because he is a big name. Offbeatr is the same as kickstarter as they both are crowdfunding so pointing that out was a moot point. Savin's patreon is at 32 while Fen's is at 35 so in retrospect TiTs is still in the lead.

It made 200k. Quite a bit...but that's, like, a few months Patreon income. For a game that's run a Patreon for like 9 years now, not much.

A few months? At 30K a month that is about 7 months of income to start up a text game. That actually makes it even worse because where the fuck did that money go to?

Steam visibility alone ensures that CoC2 is way bigger than wither other game. 16k people bought in in the first month, and that was almost 2 years ago now. CoC2 is way, way more popular than either game ever was.

I guess? But do you have the numbers for every other game to prove it is the biggest or are you assuming? Finically yes, but CoC never had a tracker so I can't be too sure.

Being the first if it's kind is exactly why it was the least popular. It had to build its fanbase from the ground up. TiTs coopted the fanbase from CoC and built on that, CoC2 took those and built on them. Every one of these games is bigger than the one before it for that reason.

Least popular on initial but this is on a strange scale because CoC "finished" and like I said, never had anything to track it's numbers. For all we know, CoC 2 could be smaller but brings in more money because of the patreon model that never existed in the past. Plus we can't even separate patreon members from steam because people are crazy enough to buy it also on Steam to have it auto update so the numbers get weird.

 

[Dreamer44]

Those content didn't affect the main story at all as I remember who it was. Al of them were side characters so you could of just ignored them. His mistakes in CoC still run rampant in TiTs as the game ran into a complete stand still on main content and now with his libido cut, he had to pass it to others. TiTs got huge because of again, a name attached to it. At this time everyone knew who Fen was so it wasn't hard to make a huge game again. It is like John Ramero making Daikatana and getting funding because he is a big name. Offbeatr is the same as kickstarter as they both are crowdfunding so pointing that out was a moot point. Savin's patreon is at 32 while Fen's is at 35 so in retrospect TiTs is still in the lead.

Have you ever played CoC1? There's little to no main story.

Find the factory, stop it; find Zetaz, defeat him; find Lethice's Stronghold, defeat the enemies inside.

That's it. That's all you need to do.

CoC1's content was very disorganized. And heavily incomplete.

 

[Genflare]

Maybe I'm off topic, and maybe this is going to be controversial, but I honestly expected (and kind of want) Quint to be something of a competitor to the MC's romance (literally the optional NTR threat, trying to either get in the pants or seduce the other companions....like how his dialogue always seems to imply!).

Though reading most of the comments here dulls the hope, maybe I'll just depend on the copium for more options.

(On that note, I was looking for hints on the Berwyn discussion originally but wtf nobody's writing much about it?)

 

[Skandranon]

Those content didn't affect the main story at all as I remember who it was. Al of them were side characters so you could of just ignored them. His mistakes in CoC still run rampant in TiTs as the game ran into a complete stand still on main content and now with his libido cut, he had to pass it to others.

Nah, the issues with TiTs are completely different than the ones CoC, or at least, the big ones.

CoCs problem was that it started small and was never planned to get that big, and lack of planning beyond the next waifu character.

Tits problem was the opposite imo. The scale was HUGE. It initially had 20 planets planned, fleets, factions, comes ship mechano s and all kinds of crazy stuff. It gradually dropped planned features as dev went on until it got to something more reasonable - and then it had to be cut even more when Fen semi-retired.

TiTs shot too high.

TiTs got huge because of again, a name attached to it. At this time everyone knew who Fen was so it wasn't hard to make a huge game again. It is like John Ramero making Daikatana and getting funding because he is a big name. Offbeatr is the same as kickstarter as they both are crowdfunding so pointing that out was a moot point. Savin's patreon is at 32 while Fen's is at 35 so in retrospect TiTs is still in the lead.

Remember that CoC2 has both a whole other service in Subscribestar, AND Steam, of which Tits has neither. CoC2 is way bigger.

A few months? At 30K a month that is about 7 months of income to start up a text game. That actually makes it even worse because where the fuck did that money go to?

Paying people that work on the game. I did some spitballing on that not that long ago....

It's simply not a huge amount of money once it gets divvyed up between full time employees.

I guess? But do you have the numbers for every other game to prove it is the biggest or are you assuming? Finically yes, but CoC never had a tracker so I can't be too sure.

Makes more money, has far more exposure, has the benefit of the fanbase from the previous entries, has more content being submitted, etc.

CoC was popular for a game that had basically no exposure and existed basically on some random website on the internet you'd never visit unless someone told you about it.

I mean, you could say that we'll never know because we don't have hard numbers...but really, it's kinda all weighted in one direction.

Least popular on initial but this is on a strange scale because CoC "finished" and like I said, never had anything to track it's numbers. For all we know, CoC 2 could be smaller but brings in more money because of the patreon model that never existed in the past. Plus we can't even separate patreon members from steam because people are crazy enough to buy it also on Steam to have it auto update so the numbers get weird.

16000 people bought CoC2 in the first month alone.

It has about 6k patrons. Even if every single patron also bought it on Steam (wildly unlikely) that's still 10k more people who bought it than Patrons, in the first month.

 

[Boardguy]

Maybe I'm off topic, and maybe this is going to be controversial, but I honestly expected (and kind of want) Quint to be something of a competitor to the MC's romance (literally the optional NTR threat, trying to either get in the pants or seduce the other companions....like how his dialogue always seems to imply!).

Though reading most of the comments here dulls the hope, maybe I'll just depend on the copium for more options.

(On that note, I was looking for hints on the Berwyn discussion originally but wtf nobody's writing much about it?)

Shit bait. No one likes Quinn and doing that would not make any sense cause A. Brienne is for you and B. Kiyoko ain't gonna do that either, C. WTF would you want that?! You voyeurs already get your content that drags everything else so leave those 2 out.

 

[Zoowi]

New backers patch is out, but some people on the discord said they're having problems downloading it so be mindful of that.