Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.45] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[menatv]

I like Arona. As mentioned before, her character makes sense to exist in this world.

And when you and your party encounter her and her gang, they're pretty darn honest about their intentions. They plan to pillage and rape your party. That's pretty much what they do.

At the same time though, I didn't really think she should have been made a companion. That didn't make sense. You help her become the tribal leader. Basically in charge of all of her tribal orcs. Why would she hang around with you at the Frost Hound? Unless.....you were a corrupted champion and basically did what she did earlier. That is rape and pillage everything in sight. But alas, we don't have corrupted paths in this game.

Still I do have her as a companion though a lot of the time. She is decently useful tank. She seems to crit a lot when in my party. But lorewise, I don't see why she would have been made a companion in the first place.

 

[kiba945]

Heya! I've done viv's quest but she doesnt seem to show up in the party list after I finished it, any clues on where she may be?

 

[Harleking31]

Heya! I've done viv's quest but she doesnt seem to show up in the party list after I finished it, any clues on where she may be?

She's in your castle, a side room should have opened up there with her house and her inside

 

[M0nte]

This is my first time to play this game. How can I improve my level? I'm out of my XP limit

She is my third favorite companion and the only one, besides Ryn, that seems to posses some sort of forethought when it comes to feeling like fleshed out character.

Some people may complain that she feels somewhat out of place in a champions party with her being a rapist and all. But she only feels like that because non of the other companions really step out of "generic good guy" archetype, with the seeming exception being demon Viviane. Although I personally do not mind since the best RPG parties always have that renegade option, and Arona fits it nicely.

I love that she is a natural born sub. The dichotomy between her looks and overall demeanor with everyone else to how she is putty in our hands is delightful. And I do love the recent expansions on her relationship with the champion, especially since I can not wait to expirience the new mommy scene.
9/10
Her dominant route is bad.

 

[Where banana?]

I want my 2 turns. Im faster than everyone, kinu gets 2 turns and im way faster than she is. boo its not fair >_>

 

[Raf-Raf]

I want my 2 turns. Im faster than everyone, kinu gets 2 turns and im way faster than she is. boo its not fair >_>

You talk like our character is the main character or something.
We're nothing but an extra in this piece of shit.

 

[M0nte]

I am still waiting for a goblin shortstack, man...

 

[V0RPAL1N]

Alright, so as far as I played, I'm decently enjoying the game, Azzyran is best girl, but that's my bias towards bee girls talking, and mechanic wise, I would say the game's battle system is an improvement from the CoC 1, as far as CoC 1 fights were easy when you passed a bunch of time farming exp. Will come back to the game when it will get some kind of real ending. Instead of the "prologue/chapter 1" game that we have now. As for the Etheryn situation right now, ya know, I am not really into elves, so as far as I'm concerned, she's just a real good unit to take with that Death Hawk of hers, you know what they say, "more units equals dead quicker".
Just don't touch Azzyran (yes, I know there's this scene with the other knightess, just... I accept it. But don't do more. I'm serious.)

 

[MoneyMan181]

Just don't touch Azzyran (yes, I know there's this scene with the other knightess, just... I accept it. But don't do more. I'm serious.)

Word of advice: Don't give the Dawnsword to Liaden when you do the High Ground quest. It becomes very apparent Azzy cares more about her than the PC if you do.

Some people may complain that she feels somewhat out of place in a champions party with her being a rapist and all. But she only feels like that because non of the other companions really step out of "generic good guy" archetype, with the seeming exception being demon Viviane. Although I personally do not mind since the best RPG parties always have that renegade option, and Arona fits it nicely.

Actual RPGs have a good reason for the renegade to be in the party. In KOTOR Canderous joins for glory and live up to the Mandalorian legacy rather than being a bum ass merc. HK is there because while he wants to kill all meatbags, he's forced to follow your orders being a Droid and all.

What's Arona's reason? To save the world? Contrasts with her character. Because Kas might fuck her over later? Kinda a big what if and I doubt she'd care about turning into a demon since she already acts like one.

Also most renegades are usually charming or have at least some sort of moral code. Arona is just a terrible person. Sucks that Savin thinks killing and raping people is okay when she does it, seeing as how that's swept under the rug with no sign of redemption.

I'd argue that there wasn't really any forethought with her for these reasons. If anything, her "lover" scenes just seem like an afterthought as there isn't even a sliver of build up to them.

 

[Quintilus]

I want my 2 turns. Im faster than everyone, kinu gets 2 turns and im way faster than she is. boo its not fair >_>

That will give to the player too much power.
And this is not, I repeat NOT, a power fantasy game.

 

[desmosome]

It's been a while bros. Since the combat revamp has been out for a while, what is the concensus on it? I didn't play it after the changes yet, but it seems like a lot of complexity went out the window? For people who actually like RPG combat mechanics and team building, is the revamp an improvement?

 

[M0nte]

Word of advice: Don't give the Dawnsword to Liaden when you do the High Ground quest. It becomes very apparent Azzy cares more about her than the PC if you do.


Actual RPGs have a good reason for the renegade to be in the party. In KOTOR Canderous joins for glory and live up to the Mandalorian legacy rather than being a bum ass merc. HK is there because while he wants to kill all meatbags, he's forced to follow your orders being a Droid and all.

What's Arona's reason? To save the world? Contrasts with her character. Because Kas might fuck her over later? Kinda a big what if and I doubt she'd care about turning into a demon since she already acts like one.

Also most renegades are usually charming or have at least some sort of moral code. Arona is just a terrible person. Sucks that Savin thinks killing and raping people is okay when she does it, seeing as how that's swept under the rug with no sign of redemption.

I'd argue that there wasn't really any forethought with her for these reasons. If anything, her "lover" scenes just seem like an afterthought as there isn't even a sliver of build up to them.

Chieftain Arona is bored, likes you and her sister Hertha thinks that her excursions with you are a good way to build character for a day where she actually steps on the throne. Since Hertha is currently the one running the place.
Exiled one is double bored and aimless. So what else is she supposed to do.

And, I mean, once Arona joins you, she does stop doing those things. It doesn't erase that she did them, but it is up to you to choose if you like her enough to have her join.

I agree that there is not really any build up to her confession, but that is the case with other companions not named Cait or Quinn. I chuck it up to her liking us from begining and it is up to us to make it official. Much better than Briennes or Brints for example.

As for her personality... I like it. I find Sub Arona charming (in most aspects) and her pregnancy content is top tier. And her 4some with the rest of the orcs is great. So not much to complain.

 

[thecatcameback]

So, I ran through their forum out of boredom/self hate and I found that one of their writers is making a Genie. It might be the worst Genie in existence, thanks to the fact you get nothing interesting out of it at all. Why even write a wish fulfillment character in a setting that explicitly hates it.

 

[MoneyMan181]

Chieftain Arona is bored, likes you and her sister Hertha thinks that her excursions with you are a good way to build character for a day where she actually steps on the throne. Since Hertha is currently the one running the place.
Exiled one is double bored and aimless. So what else is she supposed to do.

Seems like a really weak and flimsy reason if you ask me. Like they really couldn't come up with anything better than her being bored? Talk about lame. Still doesn't explain why the PC or anybody else would be okay with her joining the party unless they're corrupt.

And, I mean, once Arona joins you, she does stop doing those things. It doesn't erase that she did them, but it is up to you to choose if you like her enough to have her join.

The only reason she stops killing and raping is because she can't now. It's not like she can do it in town and if she did it to every enemy you come across, that'd be its own problem. She hasn't changed at all, so she'd just go right back to doing that shit.

This shouldn't be about liking her anyway, this should be about making a decent character. Jack from Mass Effect acts very similarly to Arona but that works way better because she has a reason to act the way she does and you get to explore her backstory and character. I'm not asking for even something of that level, I just want some reason to care about her besides something as contrived as the lover scenes.

agree that there is not really any build up to her confession, but that is the case with other companions not named Cait or Quinn.

I mean yeah but that's acting like I don't have a problem with that either. If random NPCs have better relationship progression than a companion, something is definitely wrong.

 

[Wrynn13]

So, I ran through their forum out of boredom/self hate and I found that one of their writers is making a Genie. It might be the worst Genie in existence, thanks to the fact you get nothing interesting out of it at all. Why even write a wish fulfillment character in a setting that explicitly hates it.

A Genie that twists your wishes and gives you something you technically asked for but really do not want however is right up these devs alley.

 

[Skandranon]

So, I ran through their forum out of boredom/self hate and I found that one of their writers is making a Genie. It might be the worst Genie in existence, thanks to the fact you get nothing interesting out of it at all. Why even write a wish fulfillment character in a setting that explicitly hates it.

One of the goals of the genie from what B said early on is having a character that anyone can write anything for.

Since the genie can transform into anything, someone could write her as a female, male, futa, have her copy other characters and do things they wouldn't do, have her turn into unbangable characters as a way to bang them anyway, etc.

Kind of a repository for random scenes anyone wants to write.

Also....pretty much noone ever gets anything out of genies. Genies basically exist in fiction to represent the futility of wishing for what you can't have.

 

[Shiro15]

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Personally I think The Iron Bull from Dragon Age Inquisition is a better example of what Aronna could be, if written properly. While Bull joins under mostly peaceful terms, he is a spy for the Qunari. While it never plays out in an interesting way imo, your relationship with Bull for the most part is purely business. At the start at least. Depending on your decisions he can become a lover, brother in arms or betray in the final dlc.

Aronna could be something similar. (Not the spy thing.) But your relationship could be this mostly antagonistic/convenient solution to each others problem. Which is how I always read it. As helping her defeat her brother is done to stop the raid on Hawethorne. Not really because you like her. And she just wants to be Chief/disagrees with some of the things hes doing.

The problem like most people have already pointed out, is what comes after that. If she's chief why would she come with you? If you're her dom you could make the argument she has no real choice. What you say goes. And at that point its up to the player if she joins the party. This could lead to her disagreeing with the things you're asking her to do, or you having to stop her from raping defeated enemies. As thats what orcs or would do. Or maybe your champ does those things also and you two get along perfectly. (This could lead to multiple paths)

Maybe you kick the Orcs out completely and send them back home. Or (which is pretty clear) you're the real chief. And Aronna is keeping the throne warm for you. You literally get to fuck her in front of all the orcs after she announces herself chief. Pretty much the most power fantasy thing these devs let you do in this game.

If you're her sub, personally I think it should lead to a bad end. As why the fuck would she stop raiding Hawethorne. It's champion is a fuckboi/girl. And Aronna is the strongest person in the valley. With the exception of Kas. Personally I don't think their should a sub champion route. I think it should be turned into a power bottom path. It is essentially the same as how DAI made the inquistor that gets romantically involved with The Iron Bull a power Bottom. And its pretty much already implied as if you defeat her, and become her dom, you have the option to challenge her to a wrestling match and lose on purpose, so she becomes the dom. Could lead to some funny dialouge. (In DAI I really liked the dialogue when Bull is in the party with Cole. Cole pretty much spells it out that Bull isn't really the one in charge and that the Inquistor only lets Bull top them because he needs to feel a like a big strong man. While the Inquistor needs a distraction.)

I don't think Aronna is the worst character. I like how she develops for the most part, though I think if you got more dialogue when shes ambushing you, and it lead to actual exploration of her character it would help make the shift more believable. Instead of repeatedly fucking her or sicking Brint on her. She'd be one the games stronger characters. She's a perfect example of how this game has potential to make an interesting characters, but some issues in the writing fail to bring out her better qualities.

 

[Fiz1247]

One of the goals of the genie from what B said early on is having a character that anyone can write anything for.

Since the genie can transform into anything, someone could write her as a female, male, futa, have her copy other characters and do things they wouldn't do, have her turn into unbangable characters as a way to bang them anyway, etc.

Kind of a repository for random scenes anyone wants to write.

Also....pretty much noone ever gets anything out of genies. Genies basically exist in fiction to represent the futility of wishing for what you can't have.

So i can finally have my Kinu wincest and Gweyr fucking?

 

[G3b]

So i can finally have my Kinu wincest and Gweyr fucking?

Nice joke.

 

[Where banana?]

You talk like our character is the main character or something.
We're nothing but an extra in this piece of shit.
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considering we've gone from zero to world hero since nobody can do anything themselves if we aren't then we must a god in disguise as an extra