Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.45] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Skandranon]

I'm talking just straight up abandoned. One shot characters, with or without a sex scene, litter this game. Hell half the companions feel abandoned. These rules feel more like gate keeping than to help content.

Well I don't think "one shot character" means "abandoned".

Abandoned is like Ember from CoC, who was supposed to have a bunch of different options and paths but they never got finished so she ended up with basically 1 or 2 small variations.

Or like Hand So from TiTs, who had a whole list of content planned that will never happen now.

Abandoned is when Bubbles doesn't finish the plotline he has going with the Marked Mercenaries, or Takahiro, or whatever else he's started and not finished.

The only characters in CoC2 I'd call abandoned were Berwyn before his remodel, and Eryka.

Heck, all the companions have either gotten content in the past few months or have upcoming stuff. Even Atugia with the recent gym stuff and the quest that just got added this patch, not to mention they all get comments and small scenes in new content pretty consistently.

Abandoned is, imo, unfinished content that noone is working on/planning to work on, and there's not much of that in CoC2.

 

[Walk Cycle]

One of the things they said up front actually was that they didn't want shopkeepers to have sex content.

Another one of their weird rules. Shopkeepers can't have sex scenes but asexual characters can have them. It's been explained to me last time that Sav & Co. wanted to discourage sexable shopkeepers because they would rather have content directed somewhere else, but the rule still feels limiting.

 

[Daddums]

Abandoned is when Bubbles doesn't finish the plotline he has going with the Marked Mercenaries, or Takahiro, or whatever else he's started and not finished.

So why does the main team get to abandon characters but everyone else is expected to contort themselves into a pretzel to get their character in? Usually when an employee - and let's be honest, that's what those on the team are supposed to be - doesn't finish something they get replaced.

Just seems like a circlejerk people throw money at for inexplicable reasons.

 

[Wrynn13]

Well I don't think "one shot character" means "abandoned".

Abandoned is like Ember from CoC, who was supposed to have a bunch of different options and paths but they never got finished so she ended up with basically 1 or 2 small variations.

Or like Hand So from TiTs, who had a whole list of content planned that will never happen now.

Abandoned is when Bubbles doesn't finish the plotline he has going with the Marked Mercenaries, or Takahiro, or whatever else he's started and not finished.

The only characters in CoC2 I'd call abandoned were Berwyn before his remodel, and Eryka.

Heck, all the companions have either gotten content in the past few months or have upcoming stuff. Even Atugia with the recent gym stuff and the quest that just got added this patch, not to mention they all get comments and small scenes in new content pretty consistently.

Abandoned is, imo, unfinished content that noone is working on/planning to work on, and there's not much of that in CoC2.

Abandoned on purpose or because the writer went MIA is still abandoned, no new content is no new content. And most of the companions still feel abandoned despite the trickle of content because they are still shallow. In fact shallow is a good word for the game in general, wide as a sea but shallow as a puddle, and that is not good game design.

 

[Skandranon]

So why does the main team get to abandon characters but everyone else is expected to contort themselves into a pretzel to get their character in? Usually when an employee - and let's be honest, that's what those on the team are supposed to be - doesn't finish something they get replaced.

Just seems like a circlejerk people throw money at for inexplicable reasons.

Understand that I'm being facetious here because I like mocking Bubbles. He hasn't actually abandoned anything (yet), and supposedly MMM is his next big project to finish.

The above is just me doomsaying the possibility of him not finishing stuff he started.

And iirc he's not technically on the team - he has a job outside of CoC2, he's a community writer if I'm not misremembering.

 

[Daddums]

Understand that I'm being facetious here because I like mocking Bubbles. He hasn't actually abandoned anything (yet), and supposedly MMM is his next big project to finish.

The above is just me doomsaying the possibility of him not finishing stuff he started.

And iirc he's not technically on the team - he has a job outside of CoC2, he's a community writer if I'm not misremembering.

Ah, okay. I thought he was on the team. That makes somewhat more sense, but the amount of leniency still reeks of favoritism.

 

[mrttao]

I'm talking just straight up abandoned. One shot characters, with or without a sex scene, litter this game. Hell half the companions feel abandoned. These rules feel more like gate keeping than to help content.

This stems from them both crowdsourcing content creation AND locking ownership over each character to its originator.
You need one to a few writers who are dedicated, get paid, and can do all the characters.

All they are doing is slightly decreasing the number of abandoned characters. but not eliminating it. and as a side effect also making the characters more trashy.

The the very rare case they get a decent author. their stupid rules forbid that author from writing anything more than 1 companion. and thus they must have the others be written by sub par authors.

overall this game is an abject lesson on how to not manage a project

 

[GoGoGorilla]

Well, characters that fucks with each other is okay. There are plenty of porn games where player is an observer (in a good meaning of this word) without any ntr/voyeurism/etc elements, both text and...ehh, non-text? I mean, world that doesnt rotates around players 'child bearing organ' is a good thing.

Hard disagree. This is a porn game. It should revolve around the Player Character. Your line of thinking is why this game is so shit currently.

 

[Skandranon]

You need one to a few writers who are dedicated, get paid, and can do all the characters.

Need? Nah, I dont think so.

At that point you're looking at an entirely different game. Crowdsourcing content is the whole reason these games exist at all. It's the reason they've gotten the variety and amount of content they have, and it's a large portion of the reason for their popularity.

I'm not gonna say the structure they have around it is perfect, but switching to a completely different model imo just loses what makes the game unique.

 

[mrttao]

Need? Nah, I dont think so.

At that point you're looking at an entirely different game. Crowdsourcing content is the whole reason these games exist at all. It's the reason they've gotten the variety and amount of content they have, and it's a large portion of the reason for their popularity.

I'm not gonna say the structure they have around it is perfect, but switching to a completely different model imo just loses what makes the game unique.

Not true.
Fenoxo wrote most of CoC1 himself. The crowdsourcing is literally what killed the game (according to fen).
As the CoC1 license meant that the original writer retains full rights to each character and scene they submit. and thus full control over it. which caused a variety of problems. mainly with fen being unable to change already existing scenes. and not wanting to delete entire NPCs

CoC2 exists because it exploited the name of CoC1. it is entirely different people.

The vast vast vast majority of games on F95 are not crowdsourced. Honestly the only other crowdsourced games I can think of are free cities (dead) and Strive (where only the art packs are crowdsourced. and the crowdsourced art packs are trash), and liliths throne (which crowd sources bug fixes. and that game is a milking joke)

well over 99% of the games on F95 instead have 1 to a few dedicated devs. who share an income from donations (patreon or subscribe star). and do NOT solicit volunteers to submit content.

 

[Skandranon]

Not true.
Fenoxo wrote most of CoC1 himself. The crowdsourcing is literally what killed the game (according to fen).
As the CoC1 license meant that the original writer retains full rights to each character and scene they submit. and thus full control over it. which caused a variety of problems. mainly with fen being unable to change already existing scenes. and not wanting to delete entire NPCs

CoC2 exists because it exploited the name of CoC1. it is entirely different people.

The game not being originally envisioned around crowdsourcing is the problem, not crowdsourcing itself, because his very next game relied on it even more heavily than his first.

The vast vast vast majority of games on F95 are not crowdsourced.

well over 99% of the games on F95 instead have 1 to a few dedicated devs. who share an income from donations (patreon or subscribe star). and do NOT solicit volunteers to submit content.

That's...that's my point. I said "what makes the game unique" ie not many if any other games use crowdsourced the way this one does.

 

[mrttao]

That's...that's my point. I said "what makes the game unique" ie not many if any other games use crowdsourced the way this one does.

Oh, when you said "crowdsourcing is the reason these games exist" I thought you meant "all those games on F95"
I realize now you mean "CoC and CoC2".
which... i gotta disagree with.

CoC started out with fen as the one and only writer, and developer. it exists because fen wrote it, and it was relatively good. Crowdsourcing was added after the fact, it was not the reason for the game's creation. crowdsourcing made it worse and then finally killed it

CoC2 is an unrelated game by unrelated devs which just recycles the name from the first game in order to draw in customers. It exists because there was a name to be milked, not because of crowdsourcing.
And while it was designed with crowdsourcing in mind from the beginning, you can't really attribute its very existence to crowdsourcing. and many of the problems in the game actually stem from crowdsourcing. (all of them stem from mismanagement)

This

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sums up Savin's brilliant ideas for how to handle crowdsourcing in CoC2

 

[barsa]

Why did they blackwash her?

"Tell me that you have issues without telling me that you have issues."

 

[Biostar]

One of the things they said up front actually was that they didn't want shopkeepers to have sex content.

Well that was obviously a fucking lie.

 

[MoneyMan181]

It's the reason they've gotten the variety and amount of content they have,

Lol. Lmao even.
We're just drowning in variety over here with all these horse-cock girls, voyeurism, generic dom/sub shit, and... that's it?


How about they just fucking delete characters if people abandon them for (x) time without sex? That way you don't completely fuck over the character's writing and the game doesn't seem like a half-baked mess such as TiTS and the first game.

Either that or they just reject every character unless they're already done(not sure why this isn't the case already). Relying on complete internet strangers to write for a game thats only value is it's wank potential is just asking for shitty work ethics. Perhaps more people would stick with it if these games had actual meaningful content, and thus actually had a passion for it beyond cooming their brains out.

 

[Skandranon]

CoC started out with fen as the one and only writer, and developer. it exists because fen wrote it, and it was relatively good. Crowdsourcing was added after the fact, it was not the reason for the game's creation. crowdsourcing made it worse and then finally killed it.

Not at all. The game when Fenoxo alone worked on was smaller, slower, and way worse. Updates were way slower and less substantial, and there was very little variety. The actual scenes were also way worse, as Fenoxo got better at writing as he went, and you could really tell when he wrote something he wasn't interested in - the scenes were a lot more lifeless compared to the stuff he was into.

Accepting submissions greatly increased the pace and scope of the game. The problem was simply that it was his first game and he never intended it to become as big or popular as it did. The code was creaky, he hadn't set up any stipulations for abandoned characters, there was barely a plot to move forward, and every update was basically just a new camp waifu character with no purpose.

What "killed" CoC was Fenoxo got better at making games and wanted to start fresh.

CoC2 is an unrelated game by unrelated devs which just recycles the name from the first game in order to draw in customers. It exists because there was a name to be milked, not because of crowdsourcing.

These games wouldn't be possible to make without crowdsourcing or more accurately, wouldnt be succesful enough to warrant 3(.5) games. There's been discussion around here before about possible competitors to these games like Liliths Throne, and they all just put out too little content too slowly..

And while it was designed with crowdsourcing in mind from the beginning, you can't really attribute its very existence to crowdsourcing. and many of the problems in the game actually stem from crowdsourcing.

I attribute its existence to the fact that there was a proven model to take advantage of. Some game would exist with or without CoC's name.

TiTs exists, and it isn't trading off CoCs name...but it does use the crowdfunding model. When the next game comes out, it's not gonna be another CoC sequel, but it will, once again, use a similar model to produce content. Because that's the primary ingredient in the success of these games.

 

[Skandranon]

Lol. Lmao even.
We're just drowning in variety over here with all these horse-cock girls, voyeurism, generic dom/sub shit, and... that's it?

I don't know if you're playing the rest of the games on this site, but...yeah. CoC2's amount of variety compared to 99.9% of the games on here is enormous. Heck, even the amount of male content it has is far greater than most games that aren't exclusively focused on that kind of content. Most games focus on a very small amount of fetishes, a large number of 3d games only have one or two body types, the vast majority of games let you romance a single gender, almost all of them only let you be a single gender, etc.

CoC2 probably has more fetishes and genders and sex acts possible just in Hawkethorne than most other porn games feature period.

 

[mrttao]

I don't know if you're playing the rest of the games on this site, but...yeah. CoC2's amount of variety compared to 99.9% of the games on here is enormous. Heck, even the amount of male content it has is far greater than most games that aren't exclusively focused on that kind of content. Most games focus on a very small amount of fetishes, a large number of 3d games only have one or two body types, the vast majority of games let you romance a single gender, almost all of them only let you be a single gender, etc.

CoC2 probably has more fetishes and genders and sex acts possible just in Hawkethorne than most other porn games feature period.

Most games have token fetishes with 1 or a few scenes of a particular fetish. CoC is the same.
CoC has all the tags, but there are barely any scenes for most of them.

 

[MoneyMan181]

I don't know if you're playing the rest of the games on this site, but...yeah. CoC2's amount of variety compared to 99.9% of the games on here is enormous. Heck, even the amount of male content it has is far greater than most games that aren't exclusively focused on that kind of content. Most games focus on a very small amount of fetishes, a large number of 3d games only have one or two body types, the vast majority of games let you romance a single gender, almost all of them only let you be a single gender, etc.

CoC2 probably has more fetishes and genders and sex acts possible just in Hawkethorne than most other porn games feature period.

Enormous is a bit of a stretch to say the least. Like I said earlier, they've got about 3 fetishes covered(4 if you count male) and that's about it. That's not really any more than a game that has sub/dom paths and optional NTR, which is a decent chunk on its own. There might be variety in the characters(and that's simply because they make so many), but the actual wank material itself? Lacking to say the least, especially when you consider how many different writers there are for the game. Body type and gender don't really mean anything to me, since that's not what I focus on when playing these games.

 

[Gar1]

it sounds like you're dismissing about 95% of the content lmao, soooo why even play the game at that point?

I am, and I'm not playing it anymore.
For some time now I've basically just been checking in occasionally, waiting for wsans Brienne marriage stuff to finally come out. I'm just hoping he won't fuck it up or worse, get bored halfway through writing again like last time he wrote her family.