Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.45] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Quintilus]

Instead you spread corruption like STD

Spreading STD-s is more corrupt move than anything corruption related in coc2.

Is there a reason to use Patreon over Subscribestar nowadays? I've seen a lot of games there getting over 10k$ a month so clearly it's not that bad? I assume the main reason for them is because they started using patreon long before it went 1984 and are afraid that they will lose some people when transitioning from one platform to another.

Patreon 1984 games pretty selectively. Some games that contains 'insect' are banned while others are no. Guess fans of 'untouchable' games from patreon stuff involved here.

Also can't there be some workaround having a tame main game and a "mod" with rougher content that mysteriously gets updated and posted on discord by someone "completely unrelated" to the dev?

The only way I can see is to collect money for developing an engine, without any porn attached to it, like "yooo, guys, check out my game engine for text based games on github, support me on patreon" and than post 'actual' game as some "_xx_T.O.B.S.2007_xx_" somewhere.

 

[MoneyMan181]

Mainly asking cause I've been working on my own text based game for quite some time, and since it has a lot of corruption content I wonder whether I should try to keep it down to please patreon moderators or just ignore them and use subscribestar.

Ignore and use subscribestar, I beg you. So fucking sick of people pussyfooting around patreon rules.

Also can't there be some workaround having a tame main game and a "mod" with rougher content that mysteriously gets updated and posted on discord by someone "completely unrelated" to the dev?

This is pretty much what every other dev does but I don't think the devs are even interested in the stuff Patreon restricts. Also they purposely make their game a bitch to mod.

 

[Sinistrem]

Ignore and use subscribestar, I beg you. So fucking sick of people pussyfooting around patreon rules.

I guess I'll start there. It's not like there is any hard rape, rather stuff like drugs/aphrodsiac when player has manticore based body, or hypnosis / mind control if the player is kitsune/incubus. I think the roughest stuff comes from Hellhound mc, but I assume it falls under "It's not rape if they are enjoying it" rule, which coc and tits are using.

Funnily enough I had less negative feedback about stuff like drugs and hypnosis and more about having male Hellhound / Manticore mc. I had one guy telling me that that's wrong since they can be only females, and that I should stop writing such blasphemy

This is pretty much what every other dev does but I don't think the devs are even interested in the stuff Patreon restricts. Also they purposely make their game a bitch to mod.

That's weird, personally I'd love to even include editor. That way everyone can add their content without having to ask permission, or me proofreading it, and just leave it on discord in mod section. Hell, if it gets popular I wouldn't even mind including them as optional endorsed mods in the base game package, with links to the author's page/patreon if they have one.
If people want to add more optional/non canon content to my game on their own, why shouldn't I make it as easy as possible for them? I guess I'm just not a professional smut writer / game designer

 

[ffive]

That's weird, personally I'd love to even include editor. That way everyone can add their content without having to ask permission, or me proofreading it, and just leave it on discord in mod section.

Their current games being locked to modding is pretty much a conscious decision caused by PTSD suffered after indeed "everyone added their content without having to ask permission" to COC1. Turns out your game becoming a walking collection of mods and a kitchen sink can be a mixed blessing.

 

[Sinistrem]

Well but does that matter as long as mods aren't considered canon? I guess it may be irritating to them since they have money to hire a bunch of writers, and modders can take the game in the direction they don't like.
But as someone who is a one man band responsible for writing, coding, and basic art, it's not like in any position to say no to anyone willing to add side content to the game.

It should generally be easy to make it so they can add content but they can't change / override any characters / content in the main game.

 

[MoneyMan181]

Well but does that matter as long as mods aren't considered canon? I guess it may be irritating to them since they have money to hire a bunch of writers, and modders can take the game in the direction they don't like.
But as someone who is a one man band responsible for writing, coding, and basic art, it's not like in any position to say no to anyone willing to add side content to the game.

It should generally be easy to make it so they can add content but they can't change / override any characters / content in the main game.

From what other users have said, they stopped mod support because they didn't want people confusing the mod stuff to be in the actual game(Such as loli content or what have you). This isn't a problem for literally any other game in existence so... not even sure what to make of it myself.

Also I'm curious now, what's the main focus of your game besides corruption? Is it just a spiritual successor to CoC1 or is it trying to be its own thing?

 

[Skandranon]

Well but does that matter as long as mods aren't considered canon?

Quite a bit actually.
For example, to talk about a different game, its often tossed around that modding was one of the reasons the dev of Free Cities disappeared. The mods for the game involved a whole bunch of stuff that was, legally, in a pretty rough spot in some countries (including wherever the Free Cities dev was), and they got really popular, which meant that that stuff was associated directly with him. He asked at one point for the cessation of it, but of course it didn't happen. And now freecitiesdev is gone (though they disappeared without explanation or any contact).

CoC1 kinda got put in a similar position. The game was distributed all over the place, and there was no real way to control it, so in a bunch of places the game with a bunch of stuff the devs didn't really want to be associated with was being linked directly to them. On top of that, people would submit bug reports and message the devs pertaining to modded versions of the game, which were of course a waste of everyone's time.

It's also compounded by the idea that there's an official way to get your content directly into the game, so modding could be seen a bit less necessary than other titles. Doesn't affect gameplay mods ofc.

It was apparently overall just a huge hassle, and with them wanting to monetize future games on platforms outside their website, they decided to just ban mods on the forum in the future.

 

[Quintilus]

CoC1 kinda got put in a similar position. The game was distributed all over the place, and there was no real way to control it, so in a bunch of places the game with a bunch of stuff the devs didn't really want to be associated with was being linked directly to them. On top of that, people would submit bug reports and message the devs pertaining to modded versions of the game, which were of course a waste of everyone's time.

It's also compounded by the idea that there's an official way to get your content directly into the game, so modding could be seen a bit less necessary than other titles. Doesn't affect gameplay mods ofc.

Problem of fenoxo, as programmer, who (still) hasnt learned jack shit about programming.
Flash is able to read files, and its possible to create programs on it that read outside files (of flash packaged app) as binary data before using them inside of a program. All still alive coc (xinxia is the only one, AFAIK) mods/continuations are struggling in its development, due to both flash obsolence and because original coc code is """""not good""""". Like it pile garbage on top of previous garbage instead of refactoring, increasing technical debt and creating problems with future development.

And than again, coc source (aka all porn) was available on github for quite some time. Any associations with/of/about/for mod content could have been rejected by 'this is a mod, check official github page history, there are no any mentions of this', but he choose way of least resistance.

 

[A Burning Conscience]

A Burning Conscience Out of curiosity what's your fire insurance cost you? lmao

Fire insurance? Why do you think I live rent free in other peoples' heads?

 

[RARE2000]

Your companion will be getting a daedric artifact out of it, while you get sacrificed in a gripping act of selflessness to save Quinn! How noble! Also, it takes away your dick and makes you want to be dommed by dick girls.

Elaborate. Where can this artifact be found...

 

[ffive]

"Your dick is taken away and you want to get dommed by futas" frankly sounds like just another CoC2 Tuesday.

 

[RARE2000]

"Your dick is taken away and you want to get dommed by futas" frankly sounds like just another CoC2 Tuesday.

I know right? Free artifact and a scene I missed? Unconscionable.

 

[Sinistrem]

Also I'm curious now, what's the main focus of your game besides corruption? Is it just a spiritual successor to CoC1 or is it trying to be its own thing?

I looked at the stuff I liked, like corruption, netori, maledom, monster girls, and realized there are few games that scratch that itch. We have games with monster girls, like monster girl dreams, but they largely focus either on femdom or vanilla content.

The general idea is that you are a newborn demon (demons are not inherently antagonistic in this world, more akin to fey) who belongs to a noble lineage. Except a war before your birth fucked up the whole world. So you awaken amidst ruins with nothing to your name.

You have a realm that can be heavily customized, similar to daedric prince realms from TES series. It plays like a mix of Castles from HOMM series and farms from stardew valley. This is your personal world and your base of operations.

Mortal worlds are split between people loyal to demons and those who fought against them. Potential targets can be both people eager to serve, like cultists, and people who want to kill you.
Due to lore reasons most corruption targets are virgins, and I eventually plan all central characters to be available in both monster girl and monster boy flavors (although they will share most content, only changing smut scenes).

No main quest, you are just left to your own devices. There are "ambitions", like becoming as powerful as possible, seducing a queen, creating your own race, becoming a patron deity of a race, etc. They are meant to provide a direction without chaining you to a single questline.

Fewer player races and transformations, but each with gameplay changing abilities which unlock new scenes and new ways to corrupt mortals. Since there is no combat you can treat these as classes which you can freely swap. Gain enough experience and you unlock that bodies parts and abilities for creating you own custom class/tf.

Sorry for writing a wall of text lol, I don't think this is a place for this kind of posts. Just ranting while I wait for godot 4.0 to release so that I can start migrating code from the previous version and fixing all the stuff that will inevitably break.

 

[Wrynn13]

I looked at the stuff I liked, like corruption, netori, maledom, monster girls, and realized there are few games that scratch that itch. We have games with monster girls, like monster girl dreams, but they largely focus either on femdom or vanilla content.

The general idea is that you are a newborn demon (demons are not inheritably antagonistic in this world, more akin to fey) who belongs to a noble lineage. Except a war before your birth fucked up the whole world. So you awaken amidst ruins with nothing to your name.

You have a realm that can be heavily customized, similar to daedric prince realms from TES series. It plays like a mix of Castles from HOMM series and farms from stardew valley. This is your personal world and your base of operations.

Mortal worlds are split between people loyal to demons and those who fought against them. Potential targets can be both people eager to serve, like cultists, and people who want to kill you.
Due to lore reasons most corruption targets are virgins, and I eventually plan all central characters to be available in both monster girl and monster boy flavors (although they will share most content, only changing smut scenes).

No main quest, you are just left to your own devices. There are "ambitions", like becoming as powerful as possible, seducing a queen, creating your own race, becoming a patron deity of a race, etc. They are meant to provide a direction without chaining you to a single questline.

Fewer player races and transformations, but each with gameplay changing abilities which unlock new scenes and new ways to corrupt mortals. Since there is no combat you can treat these as classes which you can freely swap. Gain enough experience and you unlock that bodies parts and abilities for creating you own custom class/tf.

Sorry for writing a wall of text lol, I don't think this is a place for this kind of posts. Just ranting while I wait for godot 4.0 to release so that I can start migrating code from the previous version and fixing all the stuff that will inevitably break.

If/when you ever set up your own page on F95 please drop a link to it here cause I for one think your idea sounds interesting.

 

[Quintilus]

I looked at the stuff I liked, like corruption, netori, maledom, monster girls, and realized there are few games that scratch that itch. We have games with monster girls, like monster girl dreams, but they largely focus either on femdom or vanilla content.

The general idea is that you are a newborn demon (demons are not inheritably antagonistic in this world, more akin to fey) who belongs to a noble lineage. Except a war before your birth fucked up the whole world. So you awaken amidst ruins with nothing to your name.

You have a realm that can be heavily customized, similar to daedric prince realms from TES series. It plays like a mix of Castles from HOMM series and farms from stardew valley. This is your personal world and your base of operations.

Mortal worlds are split between people loyal to demons and those who fought against them. Potential targets can be both people eager to serve, like cultists, and people who want to kill you.
Due to lore reasons most corruption targets are virgins, and I eventually plan all central characters to be available in both monster girl and monster boy flavors (although they will share most content, only changing smut scenes).

No main quest, you are just left to your own devices. There are "ambitions", like becoming as powerful as possible, seducing a queen, creating your own race, becoming a patron deity of a race, etc. They are meant to provide a direction without chaining you to a single questline.

Fewer player races and transformations, but each with gameplay changing abilities which unlock new scenes and new ways to corrupt mortals. Since there is no combat you can treat these as classes which you can freely swap. Gain enough experience and you unlock that bodies parts and abilities for creating you own custom class/tf.

Sorry for writing a wall of text lol, I don't think this is a place for this kind of posts. Just ranting while I wait for godot 4.0 to release so that I can start migrating code from the previous version and fixing all the stuff that will inevitably break.

Is NTR avoidable?

 

[Sinistrem]

Is NTR avoidable?

Well there is no ntr, as in someone fucking your girl. Netori is you fucking someone else's girl.
I.e. there's a hero who wants to kill the despicable demon lord (you) and save the world, so you join his party pretending to be an adventurer and corrupting his harem behind his back. Most advanced fetishes, such as netori or heavy bdsm/petplay are unlocked as you level up so if you don't like them you can just ignore those unlocks.

 

[Quintilus]

Well there is no ntr, as in someone fucking your girl. Netori is you fucking someone else's girl.
I.e. there's a hero who wants to kill the despicable demon lord (you) and save the world, so you join his party pretending to be an adventurer and corrupting his harem behind his back. Most advanced fetishes, such as netori or heavy bdsm/petplay are unlocked as you level up so if you don't like them you can just ignore those unlocks.

My post was a joke, because as soon as 'neto-something' got mentioned in games thread description on f95zone everybody starts asking 'is NTR avoidable' in afformentioned thread. I repeated same actions for the sake of causing a comical effect, because game havent even released yet and its impossible to know what it actually would be.
Like subscribe comment for more jokes and explanations for a jokes.

 

[NODOGAN]

Well there is no ntr, as in someone fucking your girl. Netori is you fucking someone else's girl.
I.e. there's a hero who wants to kill the despicable demon lord (you) and save the world, so you join his party pretending to be an adventurer and corrupting his harem behind his back. Most advanced fetishes, such as netori or heavy bdsm/petplay are unlocked as you level up so if you don't like them you can just ignore those unlocks.

I honestly didn't knew there was a difference and thought Netori was just shortening version of Netorare, thanks for the explanation, not onboard with netorare myself but totally onboard with netori in that case (specially if we're basically cockblocking a dude trying to kill us lol.)

 

[RhapsodicHotShot]

I looked at the stuff I liked, like corruption, netori, maledom, monster girls, and realized there are few games that scratch that itch. We have games with monster girls, like monster girl dreams, but they largely focus either on femdom or vanilla content.

The general idea is that you are a newborn demon (demons are not inheritably antagonistic in this world, more akin to fey) who belongs to a noble lineage. Except a war before your birth fucked up the whole world. So you awaken amidst ruins with nothing to your name.

You have a realm that can be heavily customized, similar to daedric prince realms from TES series. It plays like a mix of Castles from HOMM series and farms from stardew valley. This is your personal world and your base of operations.

Mortal worlds are split between people loyal to demons and those who fought against them. Potential targets can be both people eager to serve, like cultists, and people who want to kill you.
Due to lore reasons most corruption targets are virgins, and I eventually plan all central characters to be available in both monster girl and monster boy flavors (although they will share most content, only changing smut scenes).

No main quest, you are just left to your own devices. There are "ambitions", like becoming as powerful as possible, seducing a queen, creating your own race, becoming a patron deity of a race, etc. They are meant to provide a direction without chaining you to a single questline.

Fewer player races and transformations, but each with gameplay changing abilities which unlock new scenes and new ways to corrupt mortals. Since there is no combat you can treat these as classes which you can freely swap. Gain enough experience and you unlock that bodies parts and abilities for creating you own custom class/tf.

Sorry for writing a wall of text lol, I don't think this is a place for this kind of posts. Just ranting while I wait for godot 4.0 to release so that I can start migrating code from the previous version and fixing all the stuff that will inevitably break.

Will you character customisation to the game?

 

[Sinistrem]

Will you character customisation to the game?

My philosophy is that major customizations in my game should have some gameplay effect, i.e. hellhound has the "best" dick, most of manticore's bodily fluids are stimulants/drugs/aphrodsiacs, kitsune/anubis can create energy ropes and whips out of thin air, shadow fiend can create/grow tentacles, etc. Once you fully upgrade a specific race, its unique body parts become available for you to use in creation of you personal custom chimeric race.

While I do intend to have some cosmetic customizations, such as body type, height, hairstyle, as well as some cosmetic body parts (i.e. hellhounds have "mane" around their neck, or manticore's wings), you can't control your appearance to a tee due to lore reason.

Long story short, your body, when you are in a mortal world, is akin to a magical glamour/illusion, resulting in you being perceived differently by different people. Things like eye color, voice, scent, etc. are perceived on per person basis, as your form instinctively tries to be as attractive as possible to your prey.

In fact, before you corrupt a person, they can't even remember what you face looked like exactly, since it is the most attractive part to most people. Which is also why your type of demon is called "faceless" or "masked one", as your actual demon form is always wearing a face mask (which you can customize and which serves as your avatar).