Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.47] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Alterism]

that's eventual

Ha. Let's not get silly now.
Summertime Saga hadn't had a real update in like half a year and yet is still #1. Going from 3 backer patches a month to 1 (technically 2) won't change much.
Most people simply don't care. It's 5 bucks.
They're fine.

Also, you have a lot of hope for modders that aren't going to be there. CoC was mostly a community driven project. in a different climate (this was a time where animations and images weren't generally all locked behind early access paywalls) on a product that still garnered a lot of fan support on a lot of neutral sites.

None of this is really true now. You lack the community writers and people willing to deal with wrangling the games code to implement these things and you don't exactly have an environment that's producing either writers or coders. The official forum is... a bit diminished from the height of the golden age of TiTS in regards to talent pool to pull off of (and general quality, most of the people left are mindless yes-men who would support PC destruction if it was written into the game).

People with the talent, programming, and inclination to mod/write for free simply make their own game. There's a decent amount of them that I started following (and supporting) with the souring of CoC2. I would sooner write or commission for [Redacted] than I would for CoC2. Putting something decent into a sea of mediocrity is...

Anyways as I was saying, CoC2 is in a fine enough state in regards to their supporters. 1.5 backer patches last month as I imagine they were hard at work on D4/FF16 and not a peep. The folks on the discord I imagine don't have a dissenting bone in their body.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Ha. Let's not get silly now.
STS hadn't had a real update in like half a year and yet is still #1. Going from 3 backer patches a month to 1 (technically 2) won't change much.
Most people simply don't care. It's 5 bucks.
They're fine.

Also, you have a lot of hope for modders that aren't going to be there. CoC was mostly a community driven project. in a different climate (this was a time where animations and images weren't generally all locked behind early access paywalls) on a product that still garnered a lot of fan support on a lot of neutral sites.

None of this is really true now. You lack the community writers and people willing to deal with wrangling the games code to implement these things and you don't exactly have an environment that's producing either writers or coders. The official forum is... a bit diminished from the height of the golden age of TiTS in regards to talent pool to pull off of (and general quality, most of the people left are mindless yes-men who would support PC destruction if it was written into the game).

People with the talent, programming, and inclination to mod/write for free simply make their own game. There's a decent amount of them that I started following (and supporting) with the souring of CoC2. I would sooner write or commission for [Redacted] than I would for CoC2. Putting something decent into a sea of mediocrity is...

Anyways as I was saying, CoC2 is in a fine enough state in regards to their supporters. 1.5 backer patches last month as I imagine they were hard at work on D4/FF16 and not a peep. The folks on the discord I imagine don't have a dissenting bone in their body.

What is STS?

 

[Deleted member 1660801]

We do. The thing is one we can only fuck in one time event. The other is never ever.

Yet another reason why I loathe one-time events.

 

[Wrynn13]

Ha. Let's not get silly now.
STS hadn't had a real update in like half a year and yet is still #1. Going from 3 backer patches a month to 1 (technically 2) won't change much.
Most people simply don't care. It's 5 bucks.
They're fine.

Also, you have a lot of hope for modders that aren't going to be there. CoC was mostly a community driven project. in a different climate (this was a time where animations and images weren't generally all locked behind early access paywalls) on a product that still garnered a lot of fan support on a lot of neutral sites.

None of this is really true now. You lack the community writers and people willing to deal with wrangling the games code to implement these things and you don't exactly have an environment that's producing either writers or coders. The official forum is... a bit diminished from the height of the golden age of TiTS in regards to talent pool to pull off of (and general quality, most of the people left are mindless yes-men who would support PC destruction if it was written into the game).

People with the talent, programming, and inclination to mod/write for free simply make their own game. There's a decent amount of them that I started following (and supporting) with the souring of CoC2. I would sooner write or commission for [Redacted] than I would for CoC2. Putting something decent into a sea of mediocrity is...

Anyways as I was saying, CoC2 is in a fine enough state in regards to their supporters. 1.5 backer patches last month as I imagine they were hard at work on D4/FF16 and not a peep. The folks on the discord I imagine don't have a dissenting bone in their body.

I didn't say modders finishing the game was eventual, I said they may. What I said was eventual was the game being abandoned. Between Fen and Savin they have finished 0 games, while abandoning 1. With both frequency and quality of patches going down people are going to eventually stop paying in large enough numbers that Savin just jumps to the next grift calling this one "done" just like CoC1 was. Just because the people in their hugbox don't complain doesn't mean they aren't quietly leaving.

 

[Alterism]

What is STS?

Oh hell. I didn't realize I did that. Summertime Saga. It's an abbreviation literally nobody but my circle of friends use. Lemme amend that post.

And while I'm at it, lemme amend this post:

I didn't say modders finishing the game was eventual, I said they may. What I said was eventual was the game being abandoned. Between Fen and Savin they have finished 0 games, while abandoning 1. With both frequency and quality of patches going down people are going to eventually stop paying in large enough numbers that Savin just jumps to the next grift calling this one "done" just like CoC1 was. Just because the people in their hugbox don't complain doesn't mean they aren't quietly leaving.

I honestly don't expect their to be much impact on the bottom line even if it goes into soft hiatus like TiTS.
I believe this is just wishful thinking on your part.

In regards to 'quality', quality is subjective. Just because I take issue with some things doesn't mean their (stable I might add) number of patrons do.

And about tits, now that you mention it. Lemme see if I don't have it. And I don't. I could have sworn somebody mentioned that TiTS was planned on continuing on for another 4ish years or something like that. That cashcow is going to get milked long and hard.
Which hey, "a fool and his money"...

 

[M0nte]

Summe

Lol, I assure you that if I could, I would have done it long ago. Also yeah, the amount of cat boys and scenes are criminally low. We got 3 of them and each have a single scene, A SINGLE SCENE for each, what the fuck??????

Yessss, post that shit, I've been waiting for your writing.

As stated, there are a lot of guys in the game but not a lot of gay content. Especially topping content.

And I am glad you are looking forward to it. I am just considering if I should release all my Nakano fics at once (after I finish them all) or just drop them one by one. Do not want to clog the thread with fanfiction.

 

[Wrynn13]

Oh hell. I didn't realize I did that. Summertime Saga. It's an abbreviation literally nobody but my circle of friends use. Lemme amend that post.

And while I'm at it, lemme amend this post:


I honestly don't expect their to be much impact on the bottom line even if it goes into soft hiatus like TiTS.
I believe this is just wishful thinking on your part.

In regards to 'quality', quality is subjective. Just because I take issue with some things doesn't mean their (stable I might add) number of patrons do.

And about tits, now that you mention it. Lemme see if I don't have it. And I don't. I could have sworn somebody mentioned that TiTS was planned on continuing on for another 4ish years or something like that. That cashcow is going to get milked long and hard.
Which hey, "a fool and his money"...

Eventually doesn't mean soon. I expect they will try to squeeze this cash cow for years, just like TiTS. I just think when it does, eventually, get to the point they can't squeeze it any more it gets abandoned instead of finished. Then maybe, just maybe, modders step in and fix it like they did for CoC1. My real hope is that Patreon burns to the ground killing this toxic business model though. One can dream.

 

[Quintilus]

My real hope is that Patreon burns to the ground killing this toxic business model though

Its problem of/with people, not patreon. People wants to donate to some cuck shit? Okay, patreon take it 5-50% share from donation and call it a day. As long as spice flows patreon dont care (debatable).

And how do you imagine it?
'Hi user_546672386 it looks like you patroning creator cuck_savin for a whole seventeen seconds, so we took responsibility to stop money transferring from your bank account due to 'killing this toxic business model' reason. If you wish to continue patroning please subscribe to cuck_savin page again via

You must be registered to see the links

'

 

[Wrynn13]

Its problem of/with people, not patreon. People wants to donate to some cuck shit? Okay, patreon take it 5-50% share from donation and call it a day. As long as spice flows patreon dont care (debatable).

And how do you imagine it?
'Hi user_546672386 it looks like you patroning creator cuck_savin for a whole seventeen seconds, so we took responsibility to stop money transferring from your bank account due to 'killing this toxic business model' reason. If you wish to continue patroning please subscribe to cuck_savin page again via

You must be registered to see the links

'

Patreon doesn't burn donators, they burn creators. It's "Oh I see you have a huge following letting you do art for a living but on this random social media page you have been found guilty of wrongthink so can no longer get money here." The toxic business model of milking paypigs is totally on people like Savin, Patreon just enables it.

 

[Alterism]

People are getting what they paid for. They paid for semi frequent updates throughout the games life and are getting it. If the game was in a nonsense state Subverse (despite the funding that game got) then yeah sure. But, they're paying for the development. It's getting developed. TiTS potentially dragging it's heel I'll be derisive about sure but, people are getting exactly what they wanted.

And it's not like they aren't 'trying' on either. Opinions can vary on the worthiness of said updates but you can't say they aren't happening. And if at a point they settle to slower, larger updates, (like a good amount of the other text based games on the market that just crap out 90 words every 3 months from 1 person), then fair game, I say.

Nothing really toxic about that.

 

[Wrynn13]

Developers are incentivized to delay production getting more money the longer they drag things out instead of getting paid once for a finished product. Just because people are paying into a broken system does not mean it's a good thing. People chose to pay into scams all the time, that does no make them legitimate.

 

[Comiies]

People are getting what they paid for. They paid for semi frequent updates throughout the games life and are getting it. If the game was in a nonsense state Subverse (despite the funding that game got) then yeah sure. But, they're paying for the development. It's getting developed. TiTS potentially dragging it's heel I'll be derisive about sure but, people are getting exactly what they wanted.

And it's not like they aren't 'trying' on either. Opinions can vary on the worthiness of said updates but you can't say they aren't happening. And if at a point they settle to slower, larger updates, (like a good amount of the other text based games on the market that just crap out 90 words every 3 months from 1 person), then fair game, I say.

Nothing really toxic about that.

Thing is that the devs are taking advantage of coomers and other people that just like the game and instead of delivering a finished product they choose to milk them dry.Its a scam and the fact that it works doesnt make it better.

 

[Xigbarounet]

Developers are incentivized to delay production getting more money the longer they drag things out instead of getting paid once for a finished product.

In the case of indie porn games, I think there wouldn't be any games at all if the devs were only getting paid once the game is finished and ready to release. It's not like they have big companies backing them up and paying them salaries, most porn game makers are random dudes writing smut in their attics.
I do agree that some devs abuse the trust of their fanbases, but it's the system that allows for the biggest number of people to work on their own projects.

 

[Alterism]

People chose to pay into scams all the time, that does no make them legitimate.

Sure. But this game isn't sparsely updated enough to be scam status. This is hardly the Cloud Meadow of text based porn games.

Look, I get the point you're trying to pitch. Especially with how mediocre the last batch of patches have been. But they're still 'trying'. And that's what you're paying for. There's another game (don't ask) that I keep track of where the main story on both routes are finished, the dev is actively working on another game, and people still vote for adding and fleshing out the first game.

Though if we're going to be real honest the method this game is being structured (where basically everybody is only ever writing to be paid out by the man who controls the pot and therefore are incentivized to not fix anything nor go above and beyond because they're not getting paid for it) really is just a scam.

 

[Wrynn13]

In the case of indie porn games, I think there wouldn't be any games at all if the devs were only getting paid once the game is finished and ready to release. It's not like they have big companies backing them up and paying them salaries, most porn game makers are random dudes writing smut in their attics.
I do agree that some devs abuse the trust of their fanbases, but it's the system that allows for the biggest number of people to work on their own projects.

I think something like Kickstarter would be a better fit, even though that company is just as scummy as Patreon. That way they don't need to front the resources to make a game themselves but they also only get what's fronted and need to put up or shut up instead of bleeding the gullible dry.

 

[Quintilus]

don't ask

Asks anyway

 

[MidnightKing]

Though if we're going to be real honest the method this game is being structured (where basically everybody is only ever writing to be paid out by the man who controls the pot and therefore are incentivized to not fix anything nor go above and beyond because they're not getting paid for it) really is just a scam.

This. At the end of the day there's a lot of shit I can personally get over or look past with CoC2, but this is the one thing that makes me annoyed every single time I think about it with this game.

Perfect example of it on the latest coc post. Someone's asking for more Byvernia content, and gets a "hopefully the writer comes back." I can picture the shrug that came with it. I'm jealous of the timeline that has the CoC devs functioning as an actual team and trying to develop a fleshed out game instead of the hodgepodge mess we currently have. I bet the pigs fly there too

 

[AnonZeta]

I am going to be honest at a certain point you just have to ask yourself why to still bother with this game. I don't really watch it to any great degree and occasionally play when some new scenes that I might like or I am interested in get added. I don't give them money since a lot of the content isn't for me or what I like to see. plus there are other games that I can play intensely and enjoy on the market. I can't tell if the negativity here is the type that people know they can do better but keep failing or people who simply just dislike what is going with this game and the lies/bullshit of Savin and some of the other writers

 

[Wrynn13]

For me this is just one game of many I keep track of, mainly because I like what it could be and some of the writing I do actually enjoy. But I also absolutely dislike Savin's bullshit and have since CoC1.

 

[Comiies]

I mean i dont care much about the game other than playing it with a closed brain to enjoy some smut.I read the messages here cause its fun and to maybe start some debates on the server that end with the devs and everybody defending them contradicting themselves and being hypocrites while not even knowing they are doing it themselves and me just laughing.I feel bad for the people that care about the game and write essays upon essays for it.Because as we say in my country "You can knock as much as you want to a deaf mans house and he still wont listen"(rought TL) so its the same thing here.At least we have the hope of modders saving the game and such just like CoC1(praying hard tbh).