Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.33] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Sacred_Lamb]

Despite all the hate he gets, I still respect him greatly. Kiyoko's content is what drew me into the game and got me to stick around. There was a time when everyone was praising his work and the near-autistic levels of depth he went into factoring variants. When I started writing, he was threone that helped me improve. He's definitely a blunt and jaded man. He's made contentious content, but he's also made amazing content (which has turned me into the pregophile I am today).

Same, I really liked Kiyoko up until Fox den, after tht I never pick spirit ball up again. He's not a totally bad, there are gems but fuck does he make it hard to like him as a writer let alone a person.

Unfortunately, I wouldn't count on it. It was over a year ago when I commissioned him. As for Olivia, I gave her post-dungeon content over to Tobs because I wanted that brat pregnant, and Tobs is nothing if not experienced with that content. I was also feeling a writing fatigue with the corrupted lupine content and wanted to be done with it asap so I could crank out Drifa's marriage and pregnancy content. As for Meridyx, there's plans for her in the future (I even already have and doc with her random encounter and recruitment as a camp follower made)

Understandable, when I was still looking around in the discord I saw some of your drops back in 2023 I believe, when you were at the begins of the dungeon. Hindsight is 20/20 tho
I dunno if giving her to Tobs is the best idea tho, dude is more likely to flanderize her and talk about how "your sperm spearing her ovaries" and you feeling that rather than add something to her, lol.
I like this Lady Imp more than the other one, partially because anything described as 'pungent' that isn't an herb isn't going anywhere near my imagined mouth. I hope you write some spank play and devious backshots for her because that ASS deserves it.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Spite is a powerful thing, shame it almost never seems to deliver something decent. Even more so when it's aimed at shadows because fuck knows who are the people who kept asking about it or where they are now.

Exactly, shit is pointless bro

Obviously Savin ain't the one that'll ever do that.

Looking at how he handles management, clearly not meant to be a leader and is there because he knew the previous one. Dude gives of supervisor vibes more often than not.

 

[Jstar18H]

I hope you write some spank play and devious backshots for her because that ASS deserves it.

This is what I have for her base content once she's a camp follower. I've also expressed the idea to B that we should throw our imps at the player character. The inspiration for Meridyx was actually a fusion between Midna and Vammzu's imp girl. My goal was to basically make the word "impish" in physical form. While I have no attraction towards anal, it'd be a crime to not include any ass-rippling action.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Nice, Looking forward to it man.
N given the proclivity of anal in the fandom n management, u'd probably catch shade for it. No idea who Vammuz is (drop the sauce bro) but the sassy sidekick attitude shine thru now that you mention the Midna (classic short stack, God I wanted her in Breath of the Wild) influence.

 

[Biostar]

He's made contentious content, but he's also made amazing content (which has turned me into the pregophile I am today).

I don't see how, whenever I hear he's making preg content I know it's going to be that much more disappointing coming from him. Poor Olivia, guess I'll stick to the femlupines.

 

[MarvintheBee]

Nice, Looking forward to it man.
N given the proclivity of anal in the fandom n management, u'd probably catch shade for it. No idea who Vammuz is (drop the sauce bro) but the sassy sidekick attitude shine thru now that you mention the Midna (classic short stack, God I wanted her in Breath of the Wild) influence.

Vammzu is an artist who draws the "meanest" shortstack around. If drawing shortstacks were an olympic diziplin this dude
would get gold everytime.

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I was 100% certain that Jstar would deliver with the imp, but hearing now that Meridyx is based around Midna and Vammzu's work?
Guys, we are gonna be eating a 5 (J)star meal.

 

[Riotloader04]

How do ya'll feel about pregnancy content?

 

[MarvintheBee]

I don't see how, whenever I hear he's making preg content I know it's going to be that much more disappointing coming from him.

To Tobs defense (ugh, that I would ever say those words ),
Kiyoko and Kinu was the class leading example for all preg and child content to come out of this game.

First interactable kid with, different cute events, even choices to influence the future of the child.

If only it, it didn´t all go downhill when you free them. Suddenly you are a bum who left his child for 10 years,
the kitsune are racist smugs,
his yapping around the forums at the time that Kinu was only created to spite Helspawn whiners,
his need to keep filling an imaginary word count quota for all of his scenes.
And HE KEEPS MAKING ONE TIME PREGNANCIES. You have these beautiful preg busts. USE THEM.

I really wish I could enjoy the Kitsune and the preg content but sadly that man kinda ruined it for me.

But on a more positive note he inspired and teached Jstar, so he has that going for him.

 

[Biostar]

How do ya'll feel about pregnancy content?

One of my biggest fetishes, and also the one that gets the most misunderstood. So many people think the fetish is just big belly and that's it. They don't understand that the whole experience of pregnancy is essential. The romance that leads up to it, the announcement, yes the big belly, the preparation, the sex, the birth scene, the aftercare, raising/interacting with the kids, doing it all over again. So many shallow NPCs that get prepackaged with preg content that's half-assed and doesn't include even half this stuff drives me up the wall. One-time pregnancies that don't even let you interact with the kid are insulting. And Tobs is responsible for a lot of them.

But on a more positive note he inspired and teached Jstar, so he has that going for him.

Not really if the preg content is going to work the exact way I just described.

 

[Riotloader04]

One of my biggest fetishes, and also the one that gets the most misunderstood. So many people think the fetish is just big belly and that's it. They don't understand that the whole experience of pregnancy is essential. The romance that leads up to it, the announcement, yes the big belly, the preparation, the sex, the birth scene, the aftercare, raising/interacting with the kids, doing it all over again. So many shallow NPCs that get prepackaged with preg content that's half-assed and doesn't include even half this stuff drives me up the wall. One-time pregnancies that don't even let you interact with the kid are insulting. And Tobs is responsible for a lot of them.

Not really if the preg content is going to work the exact way I just described.

I'm doing a mostly pregnancy run. Meaning I get pregnant whoever I can.

 

[icecreamman99]

What kind of content are you hoping to see with Meridyx?
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tldr-Overall, something to show off Meridyx when the PC doesn't start the sex and something to show off Meridyx outside of sex even if it it turns into sex like a quickie

Try to give them something like Brianne that makes them feel present; 2-3 travel scenes or 2-3 upon-enter/walk-in, if pregnancy 1-2 scenes. This doesn't need to be done all at once or done at all if you want too but any followers that stay around the PC should feel present.

+wake up sex and/or sleep sex
+flirting/teasing and/or cuddling/groping scenes (something like cat harem)
+upon-enter/walk-in/camp/travel scenes with flirting teasing, cuddling, groping, and/or a quickie (something to show off what they want to do or emphasize certain aspects of themselves like their ass, impish-playfulness/sassiness, teasing-nature, horniness, and etc.)

 

[M0nte]

I've definitely noted that to the artist. I've always envisioned him to have a physique similar to Gunvaldsen.

Good!
More sturdy the better.

Though, I do have a question -- why did you make the wolf girl mutually exclusive with gender bend lupines? I understand for replay value, but since most of the playerbase is straight leaning men, most of them will have no interest in male lupines, so most would probably just sacrifice the wolf girl for harem if wolves plus their leader if one just goes off simple math.

Second, are female and male lupines going to be exactly the same in terms of appeal (some sex scenes not withstanding ? Because as someone who is interested in both, it would suck if female lupines become more subby like what happened between Brint and Brienne.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

So based on TOBS behavior, I bet they're the kind of person who deny that Imperial Japan committed any warcrimes I reckon.

Actually the opposite. TOBS is chinese, that's why he writes kitsune (read: japanese) as unsympathetic racists. And uses every chance to spite the player. Not just the kitsunes, his spite for the general player transcends beyond any and all reason.
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Note the approval from Savin, and you can probably guess that Savin and TOBS fit eachother like a pair of gloves.

 

[Skandranon]

How do ya'll feel about pregnancy content?

Gets too much focus tbh.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Despite all the hate he gets, I still respect him greatly. Kiyoko's content is what drew me into the game and got me to stick around. There was a time when everyone was praising his work and the near-autistic levels of depth he went into factoring variants. When I started writing, he was the one that helped me improve. He's definitely a blunt and jaded man. He's made contentious content, but he's also made amazing content (which has turned me into the pregophile I am today).

As shit keeps getting unraveled, I'm getting more and more convinced that initial Orb Kiyoko content was either a fluke or a bait and switch.

A fluke because:
Literally none of his other content comes even close to the greatness that is Orb Kiyoko.

A bait and switch because:
Everything changes so suddenly when you let Kiyoko out of the orb. Now you're the bad guy and everyone hates you, especially your wife and daughter. Almost like TOBS planned it from the beginning.

 

[icecreamman99]

As shit keeps getting unraveled, I'm getting more and more convinced that initial Orb Kiyoko content was either a fluke or a bait and switch.

A fluke because:
Literally none of his other content comes even close to the greatness that is Orb Kiyoko.

A bait and switch because:
Everything changes so suddenly when you let Kiyoko out of the orb. Now you're the bad guy and everyone hates you, especially your wife and daughter. Almost like TOBS planned it from the beginning.

I say Orb Kiyoko was just a super safe choice and the only warning signs was Orb Kiyoko gaslighting your daughter. Orb Kiyoko impregnation and pregnancy while being a cute/sexy fox lady that you get to milf-up into sexy fox lady, you could also effect Kiyoko by playing into a centralized theme of impregnation and pregnancy while changing them making them more milfy each time you did. Orb Kiyoko i think still is the only single character to have that much content in one area and the only thing I think is close is cow family and that's 3 characters that also need to take into account the options of Brint and Brianne.

I don't think any of TOBS other content come close in scope and safeness, and for content compared on just safeness of it they just end up being one-offs like I think all of the other foxes with unique scenes you can't repeat because it's a one-off. The design choice TOBS one-offs scenes is bewildering in a game with a structure like this and those one-off not being some sort of event that couldn't be repeated like dungeon scenes or some sort of circumstance like cat princess in tits.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Second, are female and male lupines going to be exactly the same in terms of appeal (some sex scenes not withstanding ? Because as someone who is interested in both, it would suck if female lupines become more subby like what happened between Brint and Brienne.

What would you want exactly? (actual question) Brint/Brienne is atrocious because it had no progression and character development, you didn't get to see Brint slowly digest being Brienne. Worst is that both characters are purposeless so there's no drama to mine, Brienne could've had something ongoing but because the leadership didn't plot out the main points of the story Wsan doesn't get to have a steady story progression. (tho i doubt he'd have written one, dude is obsessed with getting dicked by "girls")

Kiyoko and Kinu was the class leading example for all preg and child content to come out of this game.

Yup, gotta give him that.

Actually the opposite. TOBS is chinese, that's why he writes kitsune (read: japanese) as unsympathetic racists. And uses every chance to spite the player. Not just the kitsunes, his spite for the general player transcends beyond any and all reason.

How do you know he's Chinese?

 

[icecreamman99]

I'm pretty sure you could get TOBS to do something at least near Orb Kiyoko if you gave them an assignment of some content safe and work towards their strengths and an editor to reign them in when they get weird. Only important questions for this is will it feel same-y and not written like cringe Japanese porn.

But CoC2 isn't that kind of project with that kind of management or forward planning.

 

[dolosolo]

no power fantasy but its completely okay that writers use the medium to take power over players, the most basic dichotomy of fantasy.. not existing for the player.. savin needs his ass beat

 

[icecreamman99]

To Tobs defense (ugh, that I would ever say those words ),
Kiyoko and Kinu was the class leading example for all preg and child content to come out of this game.

First interactable kid with, different cute events, even choices to influence the future of the child.

While they was first, I thought was a design decision that Savin didn't want interactable kids because of something along the lines of "they don't want all writers to feel obligated to do the same" this has been also ignored be them with Arona. i think WSAN and 2 other writers wanted to do some but nothing as extensive Kinu and the ass pull that was the time skip and making you play them.