Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.33] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Fiz1247]

this game needs incest?

Don't.A certain writer will seethe so hard for decades he will write spite content with your offspring in the next game and will make it canon that the champ was a corrupt bastard grooming their children

 

[JTakiyaa]

Don't.A certain writer will seethe so hard for decades he will write spite content with your offspring in the next game and will make it canon that the champ was a corrupt bastard grooming their children

You forgot the part where that person will commission a shit ton of art about the oc fucking the daylight out of the incest/pedo bait for some reason. It's only wrong if you think of it but not to the writer lol eksdeee

 

[Search History]

I give a lot of shit to this game, but credit where credit is due. After playing a bit of Seeds of Chaos today i realized that it's very much unlike CoC, in the sense that in the latter i can succesfully pretend most of the smelly shit in it doesn't exist. That's quite an achievement, it must be said.

Agreed! COC's strength was choice. If Futa wasn't appealing there was an option to remove said appendage, if worms crawling around in said appendage was unappealing you can say NO. COCII feels like I am playing D&D and getting 1's on all my rolls. Your pleas to the "dungeon master" and his croonies are mostly left on deaf ears. "Can I have this? Have you thought of this?" "No. No. If someone writes it." Honestly why add a community function if you can't try to communicate without being a prude.

 

[MogwaiKupo]

No demons for now. There are demonic style transformations like the Lycan and Corrupt Mare, which is like the sinister looking versions of Lupine and Mare. Gives you stuff like bat wings and horns.

I think the only corruption spreading content available is with Nihara, who if you have sex with her while having high corruptions turns her corrupt. Everything else related to corruption is usually a dead end.

More like no demons ever, that demonic-style transformation is the closest we'll get (and apparently waiting to get implemented with the appearance screen overhaul months ago). For some reason, Fen games never allow you to be the real deal, and only let you be a demon-morph
As for corruption there's also Liufr who you'll get to do some nasty things too. And if Bubblelord ever gets in the mood, he'll write a scene where Quin acknowledges that your bigger threat than Kas, and he'll partake in a murder-suicide to take you out. Earnestly, I would have preferred Quin to pull an Undyne and get a power-up that not even the gods knew was possible in a last-ditch effort to stop you, but I guess Bubs wanted to be slightly grounded.
Joking aside, I want to emphasize this is a big if, this in discord where he wrote some other behind-the-scenes stuff about Quin. And he even said that he wasn't entirely feeling this, though depending on much how you view of him, not for the reason you think.

 

[Mandoto]

And if Bubblelord ever gets in the mood, he'll write a scene where Quin acknowledges that your bigger threat than Kas, and he'll partake in a murder-suicide to take you out.

LOL

 

[Doras]

Not entirely sure where you're getting that people think the story from the first game is good. If anything, most people agree that the story writing of the first is very simplistic in comparison to this one. What complaints like Raf-Raf's are getting at however is the apparent lack of player agency in CoC2 along with other glaring issues that are either due to some of writers' pieces or general attitude of the content creators.

Because they say the second is worse, and the criticisms they give have to do with the story. This implies they think the story in the first is better.

 

[Basty96]

Because they say the second is worse, and the criticisms they give have to do with the story. This implies they think the story in the first is better.

That implies jack shit just because people say CoCII's Story is worse than the first one doesn't automatically mean it's better

 

[RenH]

Because they say the second is worse, and the criticisms they give have to do with the story. This implies they think the story in the first is better.

Who is this 'they' you keep speaking of? I might not have been here for very long but so far from all the lurking and interactions I've had with the people here, the consensus is that CoCII's writing is better than the first but fails to deliver the same kind of impact the older game had. When talk of praising the old game in favor of the newer one in terms of story, it's usually in the context that it manages to deliver exactly what it says on the tin despite it's lower writing quality and simplicity.

Corruption of Champions has the MC be a Champion from another realm thrown into the demonically-corrupted land of Mareth and the simple plot allows you to have free reign over most of your choices as well making a lot of things have verisimilitude. Foodstuffs that transform you can also transform others, people actually react differently to you at different levels of corruption with some companions even leaving you when your corruption is too high, the goddess of Mareth not doing anything makes sense since it's established that she has been extremely weakened.

Corruptions of Champions 2 has the MC be an average Joe that is almost literally roped in by the walking big-tittied plot device that is Cait. This in itself would not be an issue if weren't for the fact that you're put in the backseat most of the time and the fact that the honestly-interesting-and-rich-plot more often than not railroads you very hard on top of having issues that make suspension of disbelief harder. It's established that only you can transform from the normal foodstuffs that the people eat yet no one really bats an eye when you transform into some odd abomination of multiple furry traits. Potions don't count since they do have an effect on the locals such as giving certain items to your companions to make them milky or more feminine. Corruption has little to no impact on your actions nor on others as apparently all it does is make you look evil and, again, no one really gives a flying fuck about it either. The lore has stated that the demons have invaded the land once before but apparently the gods aren't really doing much of anything and there are multiple gods of multiple faiths.

Sure, when you simplify anything, it will look the same. You do play as a nobody in both games but who that nobody is makes a world of a difference. The plot points are not the same. Even the setting isn't the same as one is an already corrupted land and the other is a land trying ward off a second invasion.

I could go on but I think this thread speaks for itself. Now, this could probably be just me being rather annoyed when people just throw the word 'story' around since that has implications about writing and plot quality and you could just be referring to something else. If that's the case, I apologise for going on this long-winded response.

TL;DR: Please use proper terms when criticising something and take account of the context in which people say things. The two games are not the same, the writers made sure of that.

 

[WazaQQXOXO]

Curious why people complain about the main story in this game when it is not very different at all from the first.

I think someone’s storytelling can be criticised when the writing is subpar. It has nothing to do with the content of the prequel.

The whole Mallach temple is just straight up child grooming, which is a bit rich considering the writer in charge of it threw a hissy fit about COC 1 mc grooming Hellspawn. Instead of enabling this despicable practice, the money should have gone straight to a town relief fund, building a school, recruit mercenaries, improving the town facilities, don’t you think?

 

[JTakiyaa]

Instead of enabling this despicable practice, the money should have gone straight to a town relief fund, building a school, recruit mercenaries, improving the town facilities, don’t you think?

I don't know if they would allow that in game. We are denied of rebuilding the Wayfort ourselves and it is still a ruined shit hole. Doubt they'll let us have the impact of changing a town.

 

[actualrealname]

We are denied of rebuilding the Wayfort ourselves and it is still a ruined shit hole. Doubt they'll let us have the impact of changing a town.

Instead of enabling this despicable practice, the money should have gone straight to a town relief fund, building a school, recruit mercenaries, improving the town facilities, don’t you think?

Improving the area you live in in a meaningful way is a power fantasy, and you should feel bad for wanting that. The writers instead chose to stick to more grounded types of story, like having a harem of 200 people or becoming a literal divine champion.

Just imagine a game where you don't have to get tied into 200000 words of elf/noble political drama for no real reason. Truly horrifying. Tobs might die just from the stress of knowing I posted this.

 

[RenH]

I don't know if they would allow that in game. We are denied of rebuilding the Wayfort ourselves and it is still a ruined shit hole. Doubt they'll let us have the impact of changing a town.

Instead of enabling this despicable practice, the money should have gone straight to a town relief fund, building a school, recruit mercenaries, improving the town facilities, don’t you think?

Guys, I thought we already established that we're donating our hard-earning gold to fund the Mallach-endorsed proxy war in the Belharan region to topple the Ayatollah? smh get it right

 

[RenH]

The whole Mallach temple is just straight up child grooming, which is a bit rich considering the writer in charge of it threw a hissy fit about COC 1 mc grooming Hellspawn.

Remember, consensual incest choices in games is very bad but establishing a lore of long standing cultural and religious practices that heavily involve profiteering off of literal child grooming and raising them to be sex workers is A-OK.

 

[WazaQQXOXO]

Improving the area you live in in a meaningful way is a power fantasy, and you should feel bad for wanting that. The writers instead chose to stick to more grounded types of story, like having a harem of 200 people or becoming a literal divine champion.

Just imagine a game where you don't have to get tied into 200000 words of elf/noble political drama for no real reason. Truly horrifying. Tobs might die just from the stress of knowing I posted this.

If they could be at least coherent, it won’t be possible to shag Hawkthorn shop owners because that’s considered “power fantasy”, but on the other hand it is perfectly fine to procreate with major political figures.

I don’t expect much from a smut game in terms of plot, but still I was dismayed after the person in charge of the child grooming gang gave her sale speech. Like fucking hell TOBS, get ahold of yourself. I had almost forgotten the Gweyr and the Heyon quest lines, why must we suffer?

 

[RenH]

Just imagine a game where you don't have to get tied into 200000 words of elf/noble political drama for no real reason. Truly horrifying. Tobs might die just from the stress of knowing I posted this.

You mean... a scene that actually establishes a character and makes them highly appealing to your fetishes in less words than A Song of Ice and Fire?

No...

How else am I supposed to zone out halfway through now?

 

[RenH]

If they could be at least coherent, it won’t be possible to shag Hawkthorn shop owners because that’s considered “power fantasy”, but on the other hand it is perfectly fine to procreate with major political figures.

If I had a dollar for every time I've come across something that just shatters my suspension of disbelief in this game, I'd probably have enough for a couple hundred bucks tbh.

Corruption is a big deal yet no one gives a shit if you've transformed into a demon-morph. You can't fuck Hawkthorne shop owners but people in high places are perfectly fine. Guess politicians really do have low standards...

Demons are said to be a world-ending threat but the only ones you can even kill are imps, so those painted demons are just normal sex-hungry people then? Lore texts reveal something about the Godswar that implies a lot of gods and a lot of intervening, but so far the uwu catboi god is the only one I know that even tells Kas to fuck off, let alone actually do anything. Oh, and I guess Keros is there too. He just wants your soul, no bigs. Not a demon at all, no.

 

[Big_chungus88]

Hey I'm new , why people here don't like Savin exactly?

 

[throbzombie]

Hey I'm new , why people here don't like Savin exactly?

Savin is a mediocre writer at best, whose game design philosophy is basically "may way or the highway". He has vindictive and disdainful attitude towards people who don't share his fetishes, criticize his writing, or want to do things with his characters that he doesn't like. I admit that some people around here just complain to complain, but he really is just a whiny asshole with a fragile ego who is, unfortunately, in charge of the (nominal) sequel to one of the most popular smut games on the Web.

 

[RenH]

Hey I'm new , why people here don't like Savin exactly?

Adding on to what throbzombie said, he has a general disdain for the very people that play his game since he, along Tobs, have made it known that they do not like the concept of player agency. He also shoves his love for anal onto as many NPCs as possible as well as making the MC enjoy taking it in the ass regardless. Notorious for extreme pettiness and shutting down discussion in his forums if your opinions are 'wrong'.

All of this culminates into a perfect powderkeg of toxicity where you have a game that's just good enough to derive enjoyment out of and also a creative lead and writers that are honestly horrible in several aspects which leads to an entire thread of complaints, rants and general negativity.

 

[RenH]

Speaking of negativity, to the honorable ladies, gentlemen and everyone in between here, I believe that it is high time that I finally give the most current build of this game a spin. As fun as it is to partake and witness the chaos that unfolds, it wouldn't be very nice if I keep working off of info that's almost a year old.

Would it be worth it? Perhaps, perhaps not. Who knows? Maybe I'll find more nice things to say about this game and totally not find my annoyance towards the writers grow evermore.