Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.33] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Raf-Raf]

With regards to Savin on the matter of the kitsune:
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There's no way any o' the devs can make this shit game goo-

As I was saying Savin is actually one of the best people in the dev team and I believe that they can make this shit game good someday~~~

 

[RenH]

Instead we got the child-grooming temple with no other alternative.

The Mallachian faith will never cease to crack me up whenever it's mentioned here.

We have a game run by devs who vehemently abhor incest, go out of their to make spite content because of incest-related stuff from a previous game, refuse to make quality corruption content in a game about corruption... but celebrate child-grooming by not only having a nigh-irreplaceable character be a priestess in a faith that's all about grooming children into becoming high-class prostitutes but also reward you for building a temple to establish said child-grooming in your lands.


Remember kids, incest is a big no-no and so is turning evil. But grooming children into sex workers and hedonistic free-loving hippies is a-okay! Oh, and also implied pedophilia too unless you honestly expect me to believe that an entire religion that makes use of groomed children won't start them young.

 

[RenH]

There's no way any o' the devs can make this shit game goo-

As I was saying Savin is actually one of the best people in the dev team and I believe that they can make this shit game good someday~~~

Honestly, I feel like a huge chunk of the issues most people have with the game could have been avoided if Savin had a clearer vision of what he wanted out of CoC2 as well as keeping a tighter leash around his writers. Let them write what they want but steer them back on-course if their content clashes heavily with the core themes of the game.

It's a bit too late to fix that of course since Savin might as well let Tobs kick him out of the driver's seat, take the car out on an egotistical joyride then crash into the work of other writers before finally taking back control.

 

[WazaQQXOXO]

The Mallachian faith will never cease to crack me up whenever it's mentioned here.

We have a game run by devs who vehemently abhor incest, go out of their to make spite content because of incest-related stuff from a previous game, refuse to make quality corruption content in a game about corruption...

Nah, the devs have issue with being made accountable. One sister engaging in debauchery with her sister ain't a issue in their notebook, according to the latest updates.

 

[Raf-Raf]

Honestly, I feel like a huge chunk of the issues most people have with the game could have been avoided if Savin had a clearer vision of what he wanted out of CoC2 as well as keeping a tighter leash around his writers. Let them write what they want but steer them back on-course if their content clashes heavily with the core themes of the game.

It's a bit too late to fix that of course since Savin might as well let Tobs kick him out of the driver's seat, take the car out on an egotistical joyride then crash into the work of other writers before finally taking back control.

I mean a car crash can lead to amnesia so let's hope for that one and maybe they can finally write something that isn't shit during their amnesia timeline.

 

[Fiz1247]

The wayfort is almost empty of worthwhile content. Why don’t the writers put it to good use? Wanna write an arc where the kitsune position is threatened? A tainted MC with conquest ambitions could the fort it as a base for its new war-band. The alraune, if spared, is devoted to the MC; the hive next door can be dominated as well, and it is possible to usewaystone to bring folks other than party companions (centaur juggernaut in mind). Bring in the corrupted centaur tribe, annex the marefolks and take over Hawktorn.

The Tamika is mad over your expansion project ? Use it as a new rug. The foxlike-daemon start throwing a hissy fit? Raze the tree to the ground, Sylvannas did it once and nobody gave a shit. Give the MC a chance to build a debauchery empire that will even surpass Kas dreams.

Woah buddy I will have to stop you right there as that's nasty nasty power fantasy and the writers hate to write that for PC.Only theirs ocs are allowed that.

 

[j_ericson]

At least tobs is fair when he writes religions. Every one of them is flawed and he makes an effort to make it so that the good doesn't outshine all the bad. Mallach's religion of arts and debauchery grooms kids, Lumia's followers are prone to conquest, and the rich kitsune have to deal with Keros showing up for dinner uninvited.

 

[RenH]

At least tobs is fair when he writes religions. Every one of them is flawed and he makes an effort to make it so that the good doesn't outshine all the bad. Mallach's religion of arts and debauchery grooms kids, Lumia's followers are prone to conquest, and the rich kitsune have to deal with Keros showing up for dinner uninvited.

Showing up to dinner? Uninvited?! Truly, heavy is the burden of the kitsune.

 

[throbzombie]

At least tobs is fair when he writes religions. Every one of them is flawed and he makes an effort to make it so that the good doesn't outshine all the bad. Mallach's religion of arts and debauchery grooms kids, Lumia's followers are prone to conquest, and the rich kitsune have to deal with Keros showing up for dinner uninvited.

Oh please, that's writing 101. Add nuance to your story and characters.
All that shows is that he turned up for class.

 

[RenH]

Oh please, that's writing 101. Add nuance to your story and characters.
All that shows is that he turned up for class.

No, no, he's onto something. There is indeed nuance in having the burden of a follower of Keros to be burdened by his random intrusion into your peaceful dinners. For you see, this indicates that Tobs has enough braincells to rub together to retain some of whatever he learned in Writing 101.

All he needs to do is to continue attending Writing 101 instead of leaving after the introductory class.

 

[j_ericson]

At least tobs is fair when he writes religions. Every one of them is flawed and he makes an effort to make it so that the good doesn't outshine all the bad. Mallach's religion of arts and debauchery grooms kids, Lumia's followers are prone to conquest, and the rich kitsune have to deal with Keros showing up for dinner uninvited.

/s

 

[FurrBat]

All he needs to do is to continue attending Writing 101 instead of leaving after the introductory class.

I feel like his ego wouldn't allow him to be in the wrong and he would insist that HE should be teaching that class instead :V

 

[Ellioto]

there better be more kas soon or ima riot

 

[qorl55]

Anyone feel like telling me why Savin is so hated around here? I don't think I have a horse in this race, but I'm genuinely curious

As I have once inquired much earlier in the thread:
Are the demons really the bad guys here?

Considering they want to corrupt everyone by raping them, yes they are.

 

[RenH]

Considering they want to corrupt everyone by raping them, yes they are.

I dunno, corruption doesn't really seem to do much to you nor anyone aside from making them a tad bit more depraved than they already were plus some bodily modifications that aren't too out of reach from conventional means in-game. The best possible instance of 'corruption' would have to be in the Centaur Village and that's about it. To the player? Makes them a bit rude, I guess.

'Corruption' doesn't even debuff you either. But you know what does? Having sex with kitsune. Those fox-eared demons see most natives as their food, ambush travellers to suck their souls, leaves you weaker after they've done it, actively want to colonise the other nations, and are supposedly advanced and powerful enough to beat back the demons singlehandedly if Tobs had his way but that didn't happen. Probably because Tobs remembered he's writing for a game.

So, while asked in jest, I'll ask again: Are the demons really the bad guys here?

 

[Konstantinus]

Anyone feel like telling me why Savin is so hated around here? I don't think I have a horse in this race, but I'm genuinely curious


Considering they want to corrupt everyone by raping them, yes they are.

Savin is hated by the gay and female players because Cait is such a slut that she will fuck anything that has a dick and only needs a little bit convincing for demons so all the guys is talking while having sex with pc about how good Cait is.
Cait is so good that playing without her as healer is like playing WoW in Classic as a protection paladin or an oomkin.
Cait is nearly written in every scene and has no really depth or overthinking so a big chunk of content is tied to her while other characters are starved for content.

About why Demons are evil I would say it is more like they can not really procreate as they only create imps similar to the forsaken as they as undead can not really secure their numbers.

 

[qorl55]

I dunno, corruption doesn't really seem to do much to you nor anyone aside from making them a tad bit more depraved than they already were plus some bodily modifications that aren't too out of reach from conventional means in-game. The best possible instance of 'corruption' would have to be in the Centaur Village and that's about it. To the player? Makes them a bit rude, I guess.

'Corruption' doesn't even debuff you either. But you know what does? Having sex with kitsune. Those fox-eared demons see most natives as their food, ambush travellers to suck their souls, leaves you weaker after they've done it, actively want to colonise the other nations, and are supposedly advanced and powerful enough to beat back the demons singlehandedly if Tobs had his way but that didn't happen. Probably because Tobs remembered he's writing for a game.

So, while asked in jest, I'll ask again: Are the demons really the bad guys here?

Kitsunes are clearly dicks and colonisers, but they're better than Kasyrra's lot. Corruption is stated to fuck up your soul and mind, as well as your body. Corruption makes people okay with raping others for fun, and any sort of depravity. Kasyrra ultimately wants a world of amoral brainwashed bimbos with barely any self-control. Now maybe corruption's impact isn't communicated via game mechanics ver well, but neither is kitsune's lifeforce vampirism. Oh a small debuff that goes away soon? Big freakin whoop. "leaves you weaker" So does getting beaten up and gangraped by imps.
So yes demons are really the bad guys here. Doesn't mean a kitsune colonising effort isn't a threat.

 

[RenH]

Corruption is stated to fuck up your soul and mind, as well as your body. Corruption makes people okay with raping others for fun, and any sort of depravity. Kasyrra ultimately wants a world of amoral brainwashed bimbos with barely any self-control.

I feel like you're taking a joke way too seriously. But nonetheless, I'll humor you. What you're saying isn't wrong, and in fact that's how it works in the first game. However, [stated] does not equate to [actually seen in game].

In the first game, when you accumulate large amounts of corruption, you can actually see that reflected in gameplay. Companions leave you unless they themselves succumb to your corruption, you can no longer use certain weapons, your libido is through the roof, most non-corrupted NPCs will avoid you or attack you, etc. On top of that, the setting of an already corrupted demonic realm makes the whole 'rape upon loss' mechanic work well since that kind of depravity is to be expected.

In CoC2? You barely, if ever see much what corruption actually does to someone aside from the Alraune, Centaur Village and the Bee Hive. For the most part, getting raped upon losing is less because your enemy is corrupted but more because that's just how it is. And before you say it's consensual, because lord knows anything's consensual with Cait, last I checked, the player never had an option to decline getting railed in the ass upon losing. Most of these enemies that rape you, barring the demons themselves, are usually not corrupted.

I bring this up since you specifically bring up how corruption makes people being okay with raping others. If most of the mobs that are not corrupted rape you anyway, the only real difference corruption makes is simply how you look. I understand that the lore makes it very clear what Kas' intentions are and what corruption does to a person. But, to me, all of that falls apart when what I see and experience in game differs heavily from what the game wants me to believe.

Lastly, in case you haven't caught on by now, questioning whether demons are bad are a joke. But is Kas really the villain?

 

[Lance Lot]

Ppl that like dudes better get their hands dirty

Because the staff won't

 

[Lance Lot]

Also

Bimbo Atugia in the works, tho idk timeline