Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.33] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Raf-Raf]

100%. Dude literally just played Katawa Shojo and went mine now

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Which, fine if he'd done something with it, but he's a pseudo intellectual. Just twists around themes he doesn't understand until they fit with his honestly limited preconceptions, so you end up with burn scars be beautiful and bacon-smelling vajay.

I think I'll take schoolgirl toast over fox lady toast.

 

[Shiro15]

Similarly, if TOBs had included a sequence where the MC could choose to say "daughter dearest, I think you should marry the racist samurai who holds me in deep contempt" (or something similar) and Kinu could reply "thank you for your insight, papa/mama but I think I wish to marry the aggressively inoffensive farmer man instead", he could have disarmed the 'your allegedly-loving family does not care what you have to say about your child's marriage' criticism. The result, that hime would marry a racist and that inari would marry a very bland person, could still be exactly the same regardless of player input if for some reason TOBs was really committed to that dynamic, but the game wouldn't have had to actively tell the player "no shut up sit down you don't matter right now".

In CoC1 you have the Kangaroo clan and you meet Shelia. Now at first she completely distrust you and depending on choices you make, she can turn hostile or be friendly with you. She doesn't immediately sleep with you and the process to get her to join your camp ( which rather tedious imo) is tide to the games lore. Kangaroo's like many other races (dragons and salamanders) are on the verge of going extinct. So, she can't immediately leave due to her personal beliefs and how the game works. She only gets approval later because her captain believes her being with you will replenish their population, while Shelia goes with you because you show that you care.

My point for bringing this up is if you're a slightly competent writer you can have these culture clashes or conflicts in a porn game without it being to dark or taking away the players iteractions with characters. The kitsunes have their own culture and if Tobs gave the player choices like you pointed out it could greatly improve the gameplay of this game. He could include dead ends like Kinu's choice in partner, just to show how certain characters feel or that you're not always going to be able to change peoples mind. But then give other areas where you can more freely interact with other characters, such as do you help the kitsune be self-sufficent leading to them becoming more isolasionist and more racist/cautious of outsiders. Or do you help the ones who want to explore and interact with the locals. Each choice could lead to a new problem and branching quest. Depending on how you interacted with Kinu and Kiyoko while they were trapped in the mirror could change whether they back you up in these choices or whether they distance themselves from you.

The problem with this of course would be that it wouldn't allow TOBs to write about serious, adult, intellectual things like weirdos who want to inflict grievous bodily harm on others for poorly-explained reasons and families that are falling apart because no one knows how to talk to each other. Most of the (thematic) problems I have with TOBs as a writer is that he appears to be of the school of thought that "more dark = more gooder" and the more violence and contrived 'dilemmas' (hmmm should I murder these prisoners of war for no real reason or not? What to do, what to do) he can put in the better a writer he is. This is very obviously not only false in and of itself but it often leads to situations where his writing strongly clashes with the tones most of the other authors have adopted for CoC2.

You can also have dark things in this game if you set it up properly. In CoC1 you have Kiha a lizard girl who was turned into a dragon by the demons in one scene after she fed up with you trying to be nice to her all the time she decides to go and attack the demon base by herself. When you next see her its clear she's been raped by the demons. (kind sucks you can't prevent the rape of her) Will say this CoC1's world seems harsher than CoC2's so this probably why the darker elements can work themselves into that game without being jarring. I honestly just think Tob's need to get out of their own way. The kitsune stuff was the stuff I most enjoyed as I "thought" it would be the most dynamic part of the game, but it really falls flat in the second act. It has the potential to be a good story line.

P.S

Yes tobs did refer to that concept at least once that I recall in Rindo's dialogue so I presume that was the exciting new Japanese concept he had just now learned of. The problem is that that's kind of a fucked up thing to apply to another person. And I think even tobs knows this because you get like three options on first meeting Rindo, to 1) sympathise, 2) not react any special way and 3) to call her ugly or something similarly dumb and I'm pretty sure the 'best' option (in terms of not upsetting her) is to not react. So he knows that you probably shouldn't be calling people with extensive scarring sexy because they got the scars but also he didn't know how else to make the whole 'repair with gold' concept work so he just did it anyway.

I think beyond the first encounter Tobs shouldn't be hyper focusing on Rindo's scars. The thing that made me like Rindo was she was the only one who didn't treat you like dog shit. While she does uphold a lot of the Kitsunes values, it doesn't stop her from being civil with you. Her, Kohaku, and the milf fox are the best part of the kitsune den (when spending time with a freed Kiyoko and Kinu should be.) The beauty isn't in the scars its in her personality for me. I'm assuming that's what their going for, but once again the writing kinda makes it weird like the PC has a fetish for burn ward victims.

 

[Wrynn13]

Potential is a good word for this game. It has a great deal of potential, and yet falls flat time and again as the devs trip over their on egos. But that potential is still there and keeps drawing me back in.

 

[Raf-Raf]

In CoC1 you have the Kangaroo clan and you meet Shelia. Now at first she completely distrust you and depending on choices you make, she can turn hostile or be friendly with you. She doesn't immediately sleep with you and the process to get her to join your camp ( which rather tedious imo) is tide to the games lore. Kangaroo's like many other races (dragons and salamanders) are on the verge of going extinct. So, she can't immediately leave due to her personal beliefs and how the game works. She only gets approval later because her captain believes her being with you will replenish their population, while Shelia goes with you because you show that you care.

My point for bringing this up is if you're a slightly competent writer you can have these culture clashes or conflicts in a porn game without it being to dark or taking away the players iteractions with characters. The kitsunes have their own culture and if Tobs gave the player choices like you pointed out it could greatly improve the gameplay of this game. He could include dead ends like Kinu's choice in partner, just to show how certain characters feel or that you're not always going to be able to change peoples mind. But then give other areas where you can more freely interact with other characters, such as do you help the kitsune be self-sufficent leading to them becoming more isolasionist and more racist/cautious of outsiders. Or do you help the ones who want to explore and interact with the locals. Each choice could lead to a new problem and branching quest. Depending on how you interacted with Kinu and Kiyoko while they were trapped in the mirror could change whether they back you up in these choices or whether they distance themselves from you.



You can also have dark things in this game if you set it up properly. In CoC1 you have Kiha a lizard girl who was turned into a dragon by the demons in one scene after she fed up with you trying to be nice to her all the time she decides to go and attack the demon base by herself. When you next see her its clear she's been raped by the demons. (kind sucks you can't prevent the rape of her) Will say this CoC1's world seems harsher than CoC2's so this probably why the darker elements can work themselves into that game without being jarring. I honestly just think Tob's need to get out of their own way. The kitsune stuff was the stuff I most enjoyed as I "thought" it would be the most dynamic part of the game, but it really falls flat in the second act. It has the potential to be a good story line.

Salute to ya' good sir.

Meanwhile they still say CoC2 is a better game than CoC1? Give a damn break you morons.
This game is like an HD improvement of graphics and all that but no improvement and instead downgrades of what made it good in the first place.

 

[Tau_Iota]

I just want more story progression and more levels. The level cap is getting beyond annoying at this point.

 

[Lord Kentus]

I just want more story progression and more levels. The level cap is getting beyond annoying at this point.

Agreed but I don't expect anything to done about it, being able to comfortably fight enemies is power fantasy after all

 

[tetrisedris]

Does the game havy any corruption by now, or is it still limited to three kasyrra scenes and the disappointment that was winter city? as in, are there finally any female (!!!!!!!!!) character that start normal and gets turned into sluts? (and dont just disappear after a one time scene showcasing what could be)

 

[Wrynn13]

Supposedly a level extension is part of the second bit of the combat revamp, at least according to Skand, and the first part was good so I have hope the second won't be bad. But that might just be the copium talking.

 

[MissBlackthorne]

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I dont recall any in particular, Nihara might be the closest thing, and am honestly not expecting much from the main devs as they seem uninterested.

 

[Wrynn13]

Does the game havy any corruption by now, or is it still limited to three kasyrra scenes and the disappointment that was winter city? as in, are there finally any female (!!!!!!!!!) character that start normal and gets turned into sluts? (and dont just disappear after a one time scene showcasing what could be)

There is a paladin you can turn from a shy lesbian into a total bimbo slut by throwing her into some corrupted honey if that counts, but you'll only have a scene with her in the hive.

 

[bloren]

100%. Dude literally just played Katawa Shojo and went mine now

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Which, fine if he'd done something with it, but he's a pseudo intellectual. Just twists around themes he doesn't understand until they fit with his honestly limited preconceptions, so you end up with burn scars be beautiful and bacon-smelling vajay.

Ur right katawa shojo invented... burn victims?

 

[Dreamer44]

Does the game havy any corruption by now, or is it still limited to three kasyrra scenes and the disappointment that was winter city? as in, are there finally any female (!!!!!!!!!) character that start normal and gets turned into sluts? (and dont just disappear after a one time scene showcasing what could be)

A few are on the works.

Milly, a baker in Khor'Minos, fits what you are looking for.

 

[Meatshield236]

100%. Dude literally just played Katawa Shojo and went mine now

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Which, fine if he'd done something with it, but he's a pseudo intellectual. Just twists around themes he doesn't understand until they fit with his honestly limited preconceptions, so you end up with burn scars be beautiful and bacon-smelling vajay.

Something tells me he didn't really 'get' Katawa Shojo's message, as the best ending with her involves you not fetishizing her appearance and shyness and just treating her like a normal person and she's like "oh thank fuck, someone who respects me as a partner." But noooooo, let's objectify the burn victim and claim she's 'better' with the burns. Great job making a completely fucked up dynamic implicating that your character is sexually attracted to vulnerable people. What's next, getting horny because someone's depressed?

I get what he's trying to do (attempting to turn a bad thing into a good thing,) but you know what that is? Complete bullshit. Some times, things just suck! There is no silver lining! And, ironically, not attempting to spin every negative into a positive is more mature and serious than whatever the fuck he's trying to pull off. And I bet if you point this out to him, he'll just claim you don't get how "affirming" and "positive" this is, how it's actually great that he's objectifying a horrible, life-changing disfigurement.

No, I'm not angry. You're angry.

 

[Noone202]

No, I'm not angry. You're angry.

Is this what the Kitsune people call Tsundere?

Anyway, Tobs is clearly messed up on his head and unfortunately is one of the most prolific writers on this game. So the choice at this point is more of his shit or LT style update where they just added one trick character only there to fill up the maps

 

[Daken9]

Something tells me he didn't really 'get' Katawa Shojo's message, as the best ending with her involves you not fetishizing her appearance and shyness and just treating her like a normal person and she's like "oh thank fuck, someone who respects me as a partner." But noooooo, let's objectify the burn victim and claim she's 'better' with the burns. Great job making a completely fucked up dynamic implicating that your character is sexually attracted to vulnerable people. What's next, getting horny because someone's depressed?

I get what he's trying to do (attempting to turn a bad thing into a good thing,) but you know what that is? Complete bullshit. Some times, things just suck! There is no silver lining! And, ironically, not attempting to spin every negative into a positive is more mature and serious than whatever the fuck he's trying to pull off. And I bet if you point this out to him, he'll just claim you don't get how "affirming" and "positive" this is, how it's actually great that he's objectifying a horrible, life-changing disfigurement.

No, I'm not angry. You're angry.

Ur right katawa shojo invented... burn victims?

 

[A Burning Conscience]

Gods damn it, I don't know what it is about that emotional incest quote that's got me so fired up but I have to break my lurking to bitch about it. But seeing as we're all back on the "fuck TOBS" train I guess it fits.

Everyone remember please, that the reason Kinu got rapid aged, was so TOBS's self insert characters could fuck her. He went and commissioned art of it, uses it as his user profile and defends the content with the zealotry that would make a crusader blush. He made Kinu the "Special child of destiny" superior to the Champ, and then made a self-insert (Nakano) marry and breed her. Hell's if you refuse to partake in his fap-material by handing over the stone then you get a scolding and the champ tries to walk back some of their decision in the same scene (putting words of apology in the player's mouth). And anyone dares accuse the people who wanted to look out for a fictional five year olds well-being for being the incestuous ones?

People are mad about the Kinu content still, not because they couldn't coddle a mature woman, but because the five year old they last saw turns into an emotionally damaged teenager. She's either a clone of Kiyoko, who is an abusive parent and a massive hypocrite, or she's a stunted and shy young lady with daddy issues. Player's were pissed because they couldn't prevent what looks like a bad end from happening. Most of the forum complaints, before people got kicked and their posts deleted, were complaining about being turned into a deadbeat dad. That's not wanting to fuck their daughter, that's wanting to be a good parent for what was again, a Five year old.

Anyway, rant over, back to lurking.

 

[Raf-Raf]

Gods damn it, I don't know what it is about that emotional incest quote that's got me so fired up but I have to break my lurking to bitch about it. But seeing as we're all back on the "fuck TOBS" train I guess it fits.

Everyone remember please, that the reason Kinu got rapid aged, was so TOBS's self insert characters could fuck her. He went and commissioned art of it, uses it as his user profile and defends the content with the zealotry that would make a crusader blush. He made Kinu the "Special child of destiny" superior to the Champ, and then made a self-insert (Nakano) marry and breed her. Hell's if you refuse to partake in his fap-material by handing over the stone then you get a scolding and the champ tries to walk back some of their decision in the same scene (putting words of apology in the player's mouth). And anyone dares accuse the people who wanted to look out for a fictional five year olds well-being for being the incestuous ones?

People are mad about the Kinu content still, not because they couldn't coddle a mature woman, but because the five year old they last saw turns into an emotionally damaged teenager. She's either a clone of Kiyoko, who is an abusive parent and a massive hypocrite, or she's a stunted and shy young lady with daddy issues. Player's were pissed because they couldn't prevent what looks like a bad end from happening. Most of the forum complaints, before people got kicked and their posts deleted, were complaining about being turned into a deadbeat dad. That's not wanting to fuck their daughter, that's wanting to be a good parent for what was again, a Five year old.

Anyway, rant over, back to lurking.

Achievement unlocked:
Fuck lurking, Imma rant too.

-Unlocked by finally losing it because of Tobs.

 

[Thisguy2]

Gods damn it, I don't know what it is about that emotional incest quote that's got me so fired up but I have to break my lurking to bitch about it. But seeing as we're all back on the "fuck TOBS" train I guess it fits.

Everyone remember please, that the reason Kinu got rapid aged, was so TOBS's self insert characters could fuck her. He went and commissioned art of it, uses it as his user profile and defends the content with the zealotry that would make a crusader blush. He made Kinu the "Special child of destiny" superior to the Champ, and then made a self-insert (Nakano) marry and breed her. Hell's if you refuse to partake in his fap-material by handing over the stone then you get a scolding and the champ tries to walk back some of their decision in the same scene (putting words of apology in the player's mouth). And anyone dares accuse the people who wanted to look out for a fictional five year olds well-being for being the incestuous ones?

People are mad about the Kinu content still, not because they couldn't coddle a mature woman, but because the five year old they last saw turns into an emotionally damaged teenager. She's either a clone of Kiyoko, who is an abusive parent and a massive hypocrite, or she's a stunted and shy young lady with daddy issues. Player's were pissed because they couldn't prevent what looks like a bad end from happening. Most of the forum complaints, before people got kicked and their posts deleted, were complaining about being turned into a deadbeat dad. That's not wanting to fuck their daughter, that's wanting to be a good parent for what was again, a Five year old.

Anyway, rant over, back to lurking.

Its seriously impressive how many people just agree that the Kinu arc was handled so poorly.
FUCK TOBS
All of F95 hates Tobs.

 

[Thisguy2]

It does suck though. I used to adore this games writing, now after that Berwyn "update" and just witnessing how bad the writers can be, im just coping and hoping by they dont fuck up Etheryn when her misson expansion update comes.

 

[Raf-Raf]

It does suck though. I used to adore this games writing, now after that Berwyn "update" and just witnessing how bad the writers can be, im just coping and hoping by they dont fuck up Etheryn when her misson expansion update comes.

Etheryn questline be like:

Get an option to dedick.

But no matter what you choose she also fucks off to god knows where and will be back again after an update.